This is the answer to chassis rigidity. If you are serious about making your Scion handle then this is your ONLY option. No other company can even offer a piece like this let alone even come close to our price. This X-Brace is sure to make you grin every corner you dive into. Watch as EVERY other car on the road is staring at this cacophony of 1/2' MIG welded steel. By trans-versing each side of the vehicle you are making the chassis unable to flex, which in turn makes the car a road magnet. At the light weight of only 2 lbs there is no finer piece you can add to your ride! If you track, autocross, or run the canyons don't settle for anything less than the TB Performance Products X-Brace.
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close up photos of top connection please

also...is that the X-brace WITH the trunk strut? as in both can be installed together?

Yes sir they WORK TOGETHER! Which makes it even better! Ill sift through the pictures and find one with a top mount in it! It mounts to the Bolt straight above the shock tower :D

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thats pretty cool. i never noticed a bolt in that area, im glad it didnt involving cutting into the panel or anything. great job guys!

Lol, Danny, I was hoping for a shout out in the description, hahaha!!!


Looks awesome, can't wait to get mine!

This one is a little too extreme for me at the moment. But the brace that goes in the spare tire compartment would work. And also maybe like a solid flooring for the spare tire for those who want to take there spare out and don't want to have large whole in there trunk?.. Just some ideas..

Lol, Danny, I was hoping for a shout out in the description, hahaha!!!


Looks awesome, can't wait to get mine!




haha shoulda waited with the one u got now :rolling:

I got em all ordered lol

are you able to get this in different colors such as black? nvm, saw this was in the tc2 not tc1 forum.

maybe its me but those mounting points make this bar look cosmetic only. i use this as an example
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Well that is your opinion but we disagree this is possibly the best and most solid design we have made. :) also those with the rear trunk brace...this works with it! You simply put the trunk brace over the x brace mounting tabs! You don't have to have a trunk brace but the affect of both is staggering!

I don't have the need for one of these but it looks very clean and it looks like there is a lot of room left for putting things in the trunk. Nice job.

This setup and the trd swaybars will make ur car corner quite well.

And a mad shout out to Ted! Without his help this project would still be underway!

Is the rear seat at its correct hieght or is it already to its lean back position?

Well that is your opinion but we disagree this is possibly the best and most solid design we have made. :) also those with the rear trunk brace...this works with it! You simply put the trunk brace over the x brace mounting tabs! You don't have to have a trunk brace but the affect of both is staggering!

what your doing for the TC2/SCION community is commendable and im not trying to put you on blast BUT i have to call it like i see it!!!

when i clicked on link i expected to see rear seat GONE and a huge bar in its place?
maybe someone with a bit more knowledge than me can set me straight.....:icon_mrgreen:

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I just figure an x-brace would have to be located at or near the rear strut towers, right? The rear seats in this car are far enough in front of the rear struts to make removing them not necessary.

@Rockland: You're right that having the X bigger and higher up on the upper frame will give the bars better leverage and, thus, keep the frame stiffer. However, the biggest gains are simply by tying the strut towers into the upper frame like they did. In my opinion, the marginal loss of rigidity is more than made up for by keeping the back seat and trunk space.

@fun173: It takes up very little trunk space.

@errol: The seat is tilted back a little, but not all the way. I don't think the brace interferes at all with moving the rear seat back, but I can check if you like.

Full review on this will come soon!

haha shoulda waited with the one u got now :rolling:

I actually helped design this brace so that both the X-Brace and the RUSB would work together :D

And a mad shout out to Ted! Without his help this project would still be underway!

W00t!! Danny, I'm just glad I could help bring this to fruition!
Did you get my email on the other 2 braces? ;)

Yes sir! Prolly in January we will start taking a look :) I'm starting on subarus late this month. And hopefully an xb shortly!

ha, my friend drives a 2010 wrx and hes jelous of the parts i got ordered w/ the cost. Pore guy has been looking at strut bars for like 3 months every time were on lunch hes checking for deals.

[QUOTE=WellesleyScion;3946019]I actually helped design this brace so that both the X-Brace and the RUSB would work together :D


all the way from good ol mass?? lol thats awesome! making things happen 3000 miles away!

Yeah Ted and I are in constant communication even some 3 4 am emails lol...and tell your wrx buddy keep an eye out cuz once I get my hands on a wrx it's gonna be some serious work!

Thanks MightyP

Also the seat was back in its locked position. You don't sacrifice anything when you put this on. As for my knowledge on why I know this design is solid...
1.) Testing
2.) years of experience doing this
3.) Proper materials
It is hard for someone who has never used the product or assisted in the build to say if it works or not so just wait for the reviews to come back and until please keep speculation to a minimum With that being said I appreciate the attention this is getting and am very excited to see where these braces go in the world! We are trying to keep parts at a low cost to make your cars even better and I can say I have had a blast working with scions!

Yes sir! Prolly in January we will start taking a look :) I'm starting on subarus late this month. And hopefully an xb shortly!

Awesome! Can't wait! I think these 2 others will seriously help the flex in the upper part of the car.

I actually helped design this brace so that both the X-Brace and the RUSB would work together :D


all the way from good ol mass?? lol thats awesome! making things happen 3000 miles away!

Anything to help the community out!

Yeah Ted and I are in constant communication even some 3 4 am emails lol...and tell your wrx buddy keep an eye out cuz once I get my hands on a wrx it's gonna be some serious work!

There is no rest for the wicked!!!! HAHA!

I like the looks of it!

Looks even better in person!

Ordered the X-brace and RUSB in black for my rs 7.0. So excited!

We are currently backordered on these and wont be able to continue production until the first week of january, so feel free to order but know there may be a slight delay :D

Review shortly! Sorry it's taken so long. Work has been crazy.

Are the x-braces not being made anymore? They aren't listed on the TB website.

They are redesigning them, from what I understand.

Yea, last I talked to Danny he said that the new batch would be available in January and that they were being redesigned.

Yea, last I talked to Danny he said that the new batch would be available in January and that they were being redesigned.

How much of a difference in performance is there between the X-brace and the straight trunk brace?

How much of a difference in performance is there between the X-brace and the straight trunk brace?

Anybody?

Yea, last I talked to Danny he said that the new batch would be available in January and that they were being redesigned.

I wonder why the need for redesign when they had already been tested?

Interested to see reviews of this on an autox course! You guys seem to be coming out with a ton of parts lately!

I've never tried the rear strut bar without the x-brace, but combined they work great. Car was much flatter on the track last weekend. Didn't tripod once.

Hopefully the redesigned X-brace will be out on time, waiting to order one.

Any kind of update?

I have tried the trunk without the x and I would say that you get a moderate upgrade in handling from the trunk. It is very inexpensive and definitely worth it. The X and the trunk
make a HUGE difference. the first time I took it on a windy road I threw it into a corner and the car stayed flat, it was night and day. This combo of the two is still less than a CUSCO front strut bar and this is almost purely cosmetic as there is a ton of support already across the firewall, and people were buying those like hot cakes so everyone without Danny's products should get em ASAP. I got the Trunk and X and the Mid is in the mail, cant wait.

One last thing, took it on a freeway clover (on, off, on, off) last night and had probably the most fun in my life in a car, all four tires were squealing and the car never broke loose and stayed quite flat.

Thanks again Danny.

We are glad to hear it :)
We have decided to discontinue the current x brace due to some unforseen complications but have plans for a new brace thats above the rear strut brace...should be soon and look pretty wicked.

I cant wait :D

Those "complications" weren't the weld on the top mount breaking due to having all of the stress on it, would it? fairly poor design, in my opinion.

Plus, is the lower part of the bar bolted to the shock mount? Is that not rubber, thus allowing it to flex?

^^^no... not the complication, the welds hold just fine...

and the lower mount attaches to the center bolt of the shock...


Have you tried to use one of these or just pulling crap out of your ___?

For the record, I have not used this product. I am looking at the pictures and posting what I think of it.

Welds are not designed to withstand load in that direction (shear). They are meant to join the metal parts. The tubes should be butted together and welded around the joint to endure stress.

As for the lower mount, is the shock mounted solid to the metal chassis of the car, or is there a rubber donut between the shock and the metal? I'd be very surprised if the shock was solidly mounted to the body of the car. What would the benefit be of mounted a "brace" to a component that is isolated from the car by a rubber mount?

Have you ever been in a car with solid (metal on metal) engine mounts? Notice all of the vibration through the car? That's what the rubber prevents.

Now, if someone were to post up a photo of the lower mount attached solidly to the body instead of to the shock, I'll take back the last point I've made. My concern of the upper mount still stands.

For the record, I have not used this product. I am looking at the pictures and posting what I think of it.

Welds are not designed to withstand load in that direction (shear). They are meant to join the metal parts. The tubes should be butted together and welded around the joint to endure stress.

As for the lower mount, is the shock mounted solid to the metal chassis of the car, or is there a rubber donut between the shock and the metal? I'd be very surprised if the shock was solidly mounted to the body of the car. What would the benefit be of mounted a "brace" to a component that is isolated from the car by a rubber mount?

You would install a brace to make it so the shock was solidly mounted to the chassis... eliminating the rubber mounts intention of softening the vibrations... I dont think I quite understand what your asking... by adding this brace you are no longer isolated...


Have you ever been in a car with solid (metal on metal) engine mounts? Notice all of the vibration through the car? That's what the rubber prevents.

Now, if someone were to post up a photo of the lower mount attached solidly to the body instead of to the shock, I'll take back the last point I've made. My concern of the upper mount still stands.

Yes, I own a 240sx with solid motor mounts.... but the vibrations from the motor is different than the (nonexistant) vibration of the shock...

Why would you want to solidly mount a shock to the chassis? The shock does not endure the load, the spring does. The TC2 uses a separate shock and spring in the rear, no? If that is the case, there is no load on the shock ever. It just controls the motion of the control arm. Have you ever seen a roll cage mount to a shock? No, it is attached to the spring mount, or strut mount if the car uses a coil-over design.

My engine mount analogy was to show how much a rubber mount eliminates the transfer of energy, be it vibration or weight.

I think my general opinion is that this is not an effective place to mount a brace to. An easy one, yes. But not nearly as effective as it could be if you were to attach it to the actual body of the car. Is that not the idea here, to stiffen the body of the car, preventing flex.

Well, you are missing that its connecting 4 points of the car, not just 2. So it is functioning as designed, to reduce flex...

I have removed my post in the other thread to eliminate the impression that I am "trolling".

Anyways, back to the discussion. :P

How is it eliminating flex if two of the mounting points are flexible? And what type of metal structure is the upper mounting point(s) attached to? Are they mounts for car seats, seat belts, or just plastic trim? Are they just weld nuts on thin sheet metal (which I'm pretty sure they are)?

Again, my point is not to start arguments, but to question how things are designed and think about what they are doing instead of just buying it.

If you want a pretty red bar to sit in your trunk, great. Money well spent. But from a structural integrity standpoint, this design (and the "trunk brace", which doesn't even touch the trunk) has a few major flaws that cannot be ignored. No engineer will ethically claim that this significantly strengthens the body of the car with these design decisions.

I personally like the braces be it looks and they do make a little difference. This guy is getting his start with what he has and for a good price. It may not be perfected or state of the art and full big company r&d but it still works. If you like it go ahead and get it if not then dont no need criticize each other designs can get better and better but for now this works for me.

Erik, I understand your point for the trunk brace. That design will only keep the struts from moving around independantly, by tieing them together you are just forcing the same flex on both sides. Which is why I pushed for the X-brace, as this added piece will keep the struts from moving around at all. The piece they attach to is sheet metel on the inside of the car, but again the tie in here is to reduce the flex in the rubber that you keep talking about. Keeping them tied together and reducing movement will add better handling to the car. Albiet a better design would be to attach the brace to the strut towers, but thats simply not possible unless you want to drill holes into the towers... and TB Perfomance's whole thing is to not force customers to modify the chassis, plastic interior, etc. with thier parts...


Either way, wait for the new design. I will be test fitting in a week or so when it gets shipped to me.

Thank you guys for standing behind our products...I will come out and be honest aout our complication because my jig was innacurate and the upper mounts werent fitting propperly. We handled all issues with the customers and now that thats over we feel that the community desrves to know why it was discontinued. Im not a guy to lie and keep people from knowing how we work here. I always pride myself on honesty and honestly they didnt fit right. I didnt like how everything flowed either...I am proud to say I havent ever had a weld break lol...BUTTTT with that said we are releasing a NEW product that has an adjuster built in much like the mazda 3 trunk brace and This will be a great brace that I will make damn sure fits lol. With that said please respect our work and dont come in thread bashing a vendor as it is a bannable offense on most forums. I appreciate open discussion but would rather keep speculation on products not tested by the poster to be kept to a minimum. Please remember this is my full time job and is how I get my bills paid.

Much love to our fans! You keep me going each day!
Danny Check-TB Performance

In the interest of keeping things civil and not sounding too much like a d*ck, I'm going to leave this thread as it is.

Good luck with your updated brace, and thanks for putting the effort into getting domestic products made with reasonable pricing.

Danny, shoot me a text when your ready to ship the new piece.

I have the mid chassis brace you make and let me tell you for the car being my dd im very happy with this product. Cant wait for this new product.

Please somebody do a review on the mid chassis under brace....i may buy it then!

Welds are not designed to withstand load in that direction (shear).
Oh yes they are! That is how the good aviation weld joints are designed.

They are meant to join the metal parts.
Agreed…yes. That is the whole purpose of welding multiple pieces together.

The tubes should be butted together and welded around the joint to endure stress.
Exactly wrong! See reply above.

That's what the rubber prevents. Now, if someone were to post up a photo of the lower mount attached solidly to the body instead of to the shock, I'll take back the last point I've made. My concern of the upper mount still stands.
The rubber is called an isolator…but correct idea and valid concerns.

I always pride myself on honesty and honestly they didnt fit right.

Good man…good to know…glad to hear that!

With that said please respect our work and dont come in thread bashing a vendor as it is a bannable offense on most forums. I appreciate open discussion but would rather keep speculation on products not tested by the poster to be kept to a minimum.

You will always get the bashing on the internet…but consider you audience. The average intelligence of an American is an 8th-grader…a 13-year old! I agree that everybody deserved to be treated with professional courtesy, but respect is something that is earned and not handed out. With that said, the internet is a sort of cheap Consumer Reports and if a company puts out an inferior product, this is a way of getting the word out. You’ve had some glitches…you got the fodder off of that.

It happens but our new brace will kick more ___ and we will continue working as hard as we can :D Updated our website and its new domain name is tbperformanceproducts.com!

Bump, any update on the new products I love the mid brace for the chassis can't wait for more!

temecula ca ehhhh?!!!!! i'll be in temecula with my tc2 on march 30,31 and leaving april 1. maybe a test session???? hahah only if the product is out :p

The brace will be released this week! Ted is testing it currently and if it clears ill have the brace on my site...im sitting on enough material t make 25 of these babies! so keep your eyes on my site!

Schweettt pics to follow? Lol

Here we go! Brace is now live with more photos to come! Price is set to 75 dollars...This was the prototype so the bar will be a seamless piece( notice the weld on the left side of the bar) and some updates will be made to allow the customer easier access for install! Ted is currently testing out the braces effects on handling and I am sure he will give some input on his impressions driving with it!http://www.scionlife.com/forums/[IMG]http://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l482/TB_performance_products/NewBracetc2.jpghttp://www.scionlife.com/forums/[IMG]http://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l482/TB_performance_products/NewBracetc2.jpg http://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l482/TB_performance_products/NewBracetc2.jpg

Also remember later we will be releasing the connecting brace that will attach the two braces together forming the "Z"...