I see no mention of fuel conrol. I'd have to see this one work for someone else first! The listing says this was designed(?) for the Xa and will fit the Xb with some mods. I don't think I'll be at the front of the line for this one!

 

Sorry guys, forgot to add this:

All TSI Extreme Turbo Kits from Pro Street come with the following
(All Kits come with either the SAFC2 or VAFC2,
APEXi Turbo Timer, and Stewart Warner Boost Gauge):

 

safc and vafc is not the way to tune a turbo setup cuz you can only control the curve every 600.... that is not the way to do things.... Why do people keep trying to do this in the turbo family...

 

AFC tuning is the economical way to tune for a good base. We have tuned turbo Eclipses and EVO 8's to over 450awhp on a SAFC alone. You can definately get more power with a real standalone, but the fact that these come with the kits free of charge make it worth it.

 

Using a safc or a vafc is not tuning when its only every 600. You still will have high spots or low spots... which is not good for this 1.5 motor. Im not trying to be rude just trying to give some people some info... Alot of people know nothing about turbos and they see this and they jump all over it.

 

Keith, I definately understand your point, you are absolutely correct. But when they throw in the AFC for free when the kit normally comes with no tuning, it's a good deal, IMO.

To get true tuning, you would need an EMS.

 

Yes... free is cool wish I got all that for free on my last honda one... would of went good with the hondata....

 

I don't think the average enthusiast on this forum is capable of complete fuel mapping a bogus half-assed turbo kit. Your ad makes it seem like you bolt this COMPLETE kit on and drive off into the sunset grinning. I have seen the aftermath of way too many of these poorly and incompletely designed kits lately and for the sake of the uninformed on this site I will have to raise the BULL____ flag! You are hawking something that all the largest companies have been working on for a couple of years now with no viable solution. TRD couldn't do it, so what makes uys believe that your company could. I believe that the engine would run with your "kit", just nowhere in the ballpark of proper fuel control. What good is that. If these guys could build their own stand-alone fuel management system, then the actual turbo setup would be a walk in the park! I would run and hide from this guy unless you are capable of building your own fuel control. Also you come on a scion forum to peddle this junk and don't mention anything about what you have done with a SCION! These are not EVOs or V-Tec Hondas, They're SCIONS! What exactly can one expect when installing your product on a SCION. And exactly what mods have to be done to fit this on an xB? Curious.

 

Wow...

Why are you guys so quick to judge? TSI has been making kits for Honda/Acura for years, and now they make a kit that fits the Scion.

I don't believe that TRD couldn't make a turbo kit. Could they make a turbo kit that they believe would still keep the warranty, or pass smog? Probably not.

Please explain why you believe this is a "half assed" turbo kit? This turbo kit IS complete. For an xB, you will need to get a new charge pipe (TSI is working on this now), and you will need to grind down the wastegate actuator a little bit (which TSI says they will do for any orders from Pro Street before shipping). Otherwise, it's a bolt on affair.

We do not manufacture these kits... we just sell them. We have had good luck with these kits in the past, and have no reservations to offer them to the Scion community if TSI tells us they are good kits, and work well.

Sure, this kit could come with a stand alone EMS. It would add about $2000, and if you want to talk about the average enthusiast blowing their motor, you would have a better chance doing it with a stand alone EMS. With the low boost that this kit runs stock, and the fuel it comes with, TSI is satisfied that it will run reliable as long as everything is maintained as a turbo car should be.

If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to ask.

 

Were not quick to judge we just know a enough about scions and the negative 2 degree rods and fuel and this little 1.5 liter engine to know that this fuel setup and kit will not be a good daily kit for any xa or xb

Dont know about the 2k more for a good ems but whatever...... If your maintance is part of changing the bearings and checking the rods every 10k miles ok.... other then that its not reliable...

Which is kind of what I was doing in my first post... but dont take wrong what we are posting its just that like he said most people on here dont know a lick about turbos or there engines. When I was learning im glad people posted stuff like this saved me alot of headaches and alot of cash... Yea these kits are great like you said and they have been working with hondas for long time, but this is not a honda....

 

So your kit is programmed and ready to go as a direct bolt-on? No check engine light, dead o2 sensors, fried converters, etc? GUARANTEED? Out of the box the fuel curve is correct for the 6-7 psi boost you are running? So long term fuel trim readings will be under +- 7%?If you put it in writing and let me know where I can reliably find you I will buy one.

 

That speaks volumes.

 

Hey thanks Scionic Man! Must be your buddy or something. All the backside lickers can stay and anyone who is skeptical is booted out. Too cool! Just what the naieve need! Keep keepin it real!(without losing any money that is!)

 

wtf.... I mean we are discussing a product and the problems we see... so it gets split so newbs will buy the product? BULL$hi7!!!!!!!!!

 

I don't make the rules... In fact I went out of my way to keep these posts so you could have your discussion.

Thanks for your understanding...

 

I definately needed more information. I think we ALL needed more information. I would actually buy a turbo kit if it ACTUALLY works without grenading the motor. The only thing I truly understand is that a sponsored sale means money for Scion Life, even at the expense of its more naieve members. A buck's a buck, right?

 

Please refer to the entire bolded section instead of just the parts that suit you.

It's obvious by the tone and contents of your posts that you are truly just trying to help out the uninformed, but the Sponsored Sales forum is not the place for that discussion.

If someone's going to throw down that kind of money without doing some simple research, do you really think antagonizing this seller is going to help them?

Good intentions, bad execution.

I tried to move these posts here so you could continue this discussion but if you just want to complain about my actions, I will just lock this one since the old topic is lost but now you have something new to be angry about. Rock On!