Possibly in the wrong section but I will let it start here

Lets say you are going to modify your xB or xA

And you are allowed to do anything to the engine or drivetrain
But there is a huge stipulation.....your not allowed to make any power what so ever....just make it more reliable and run better.....but for an exception you are allowed to do modifications to put more power to the wheels.....but nothing that adds power to the actual engine (intakes, headers, exhaust turbos, superchargers)

Now this is only to engine and drivetrain only....not going into suspension or wheels


Discuss and ponder

replace every load bearing metal bit with aluminum berrylium, and every body panel with carbon fiber. This should drop the weight of the car by like 800 pounds or maybe more.

then coilovers, Id tear out the rear suspension and get some custom double wishbones for the rear.

aluminum berryilium is of course so costly that its not even allowed in F1 anymore.


Possibly in the wrong section but I will let it start here

Lets say you are going to modify your xB or xA

And you are allowed to do anything to the engine or drivetrain
But there is a huge stipulation.....your not allowed to make any power what so ever....just make it more reliable and run better.....but for an exception you are allowed to do modifications to put more power to the wheels.....but nothing that adds power to the actual engine (intakes, headers, exhaust turbos, superchargers)

Now this is only to engine and drivetrain only....not going into suspension or wheels


Discuss and ponder

wtf are you trying to say. i have no mofo clue wth you just said.

i would put in a flux capacitor

http://www.80stees.com/images/products/flux_capacitor_t-shirt_link.jpg

replace every load bearing metal bit with aluminum berrylium, and every body panel with carbon fiber. This should drop the weight of the car by like 800 pounds or maybe more.

then coilovers, Id tear out the rear suspension and get some custom double wishbones for the rear.

aluminum berryilium is of course so costly that its not even allowed in F1 anymore.


Possibly in the wrong section but I will let it start here

Lets say you are going to modify your xB or xA

And you are allowed to do anything to the engine or drivetrain
But there is a huge stipulation.....your not allowed to make any power what so ever....just make it more reliable and run better.....but for an exception you are allowed to do modifications to put more power to the wheels.....but nothing that adds power to the actual engine (intakes, headers, exhaust turbos, superchargers)

Now this is only to engine and drivetrain only....not going into suspension or wheels


Discuss and ponder



I said not including suspension...and I only said drivetrain nothing about the body.....read better next time

your not allowed to make any power what so ever....

but for an exception you are allowed to do modifications to put more power to the wheels.....but nothing that adds power to the actual engine....




Discuss and ponder

How can you not make any power, but add more power to the wheels?!?!

Hows that for "if a tree falls in a forest and no one is there, will someone hear it"

Only way to add power without add touch the motor is make your car less heavy.

I said not including suspension...and I only said drivetrain nothing about the body.....read better next time

ok
aluminum berrylium for every single bit of the engine =)

After reading this thread--I think I lost a few brain cells.

What he is asking is "How can I get LESS power loss from the crankshaft to the wheels?"

Say my car gets 108bhp at the crank and 95whp at the wheels...is there anythying I can do to get more than 95whp at the wheels while still maintaining only 108bhp at the crank?

What he is asking is "How can I get LESS power loss from the crankshaft to the wheels?"

Say my car gets 108bhp at the crank and 95whp at the wheels...is there anythying I can do to get more than 95whp at the wheels while still maintaining only 108bhp at the crank?

ohhhhhhh.. so, that's what he's trying to say.
dinkjs, write better next time.

You can put more power to the wheels without adding actual horsepower.....lightened flywheel and a better clutch....neither add horsepower


And I was only using the Scion's as an example

i would put in a flux capacitor

http://www.80stees.com/images/products/flux_capacitor_t-shirt_link.jpg
yeah that would help lots of power there.... or maybe that AOL turbo thing the guys from Orange County Choppers are always pitching on Tv that could be some real power gains there...... :D :P :lol:

There were key words in there "reliable" and "run better"

Here is my list to give a wonderful example

Upgraded Radiator and fans...lower the ambient tempature of the engine
Upgraded Spark plugs and wires for better spark
Upgraded head studs like ARP
Lighetned flywheel and clutch


These are just a few examples....again I used the Scions as an example

The ARP head studs will not make it more reliable, they only help if you stress the engine more than stock.

A lightend flywheel may or may not make it "run better" depending on YOUR definition of "run better". Even if it fits your definition the cost vs benefit is not good.....

BTW, the ignition is coil on plug so you can't upgrade wires....

Upgraded radiator/fans=more weight=less performance.....

Useable HP gains are in the drive train and light weight rotating/reciprocating masses like crank/rods/pistons/flywheel/ring&pinion gears/axles/hubs/brake disks/wheels/tires. Again-cost vs benefit=not good.... common on max effort race engines/drive trains but not on street cars. Few people want to go to SMALLER disk brakes anyway.

Or is this a trick question????
ken

I got u all beat on this one, remove the transmission gears and add gears with less teeth, so when I am at 75MPH my RPMs are NOT at 4000. Remember that I am a muffler shop and my Parent company is a transmission shop. Many gears there and many ideas already in the works. :shock:

No HP gain and the life of the motor is saved. Question answered- NEXT!! 8)

After reading this thread--I think I lost a few brain cells.

me too :lol:

After reading this thread--I think I lost a few brain cells.

me too :lol:



weeerd i think we would have been beter off if we smoked a fat bowl deeeng!

i don't know if i am reading the topic right but what about adding- redline waterwetter to the coolant, wrapping the header with that heat resistant tape, wrapping the intake with the same heat resistant sleave, all this will not make (MORE power) but will keep the engine and exaust cooler to run and PERFORM better,

Is this what you want to talk about ? or am I way off the mark? like i said i really counldn't understand what EXACTLY you guys were pondering!!

Yea you got it right on the nail good job man

wtf are you trying to say. i have no mofo clue wth you just said.

i would put in a flux capacitor

http://www.80stees.com/images/products/flux_capacitor_t-shirt_link.jpg

Werd....then I would use it to go back in time stop you from posting this confusing post.

Yea you got it right on the nail good job man homer simpson voice"WOOHOO, take that Jay leno!!"

I have to agree.. id just put on the aol top speed thingie... I think they made that with an air box and some tubing...

i would put in a flux capacitor

http://www.80stees.com/images/products/flux_capacitor_t-shirt_link.jpg

Werd....then I would use it to go back in time stop you from posting this confusing post.



Hahahaa this isnt a confusing post....just a difficult one.....all I want to know is how would you make a engine and drivetrain more reliable without adding power......I think since I took "adding power" out of the equation i stumped alot of people....how very sad....I give props for all of those that actually answered the question at hand....good job to the few that actually comprehended

Something that started too confuse me...

You said we couldn't use anything that would ADD power to the engine, then listed things such as intake and exhaust.

The stock intake and exhaust systems inhibit horsepower, by upgrading them your only ALLOWING or RESTORING horsepower to the eninge.

My uncle taught me somethings about engines and power in general:

Higher compression, aggressive cams etc., MAKE power.
Intake, Exhaust etc., ALLOW power.
A tuborcharger, supercharger or Nitrous ADD power.

What would I do to make my vehicle more reliable? Never surpass 3500 RPM and properly maintain my engine and transmission....

yea I know, its a cheesey answer..

Hahahaa this isnt a confusing post....just a difficult one.....all I want to know is how would you make a engine and drivetrain more reliable without adding power......I think since I took "adding power" out of the equation i stumped alot of people....how very sad....I give props for all of those that actually answered the question at hand....good job to the few that actually comprehended
(Sarcastic reply)

Hey where are my props for the tranny idea!!?? :shock: Well, now I feel swindled and feel I shouldn't give anymore non-HP advice. :x From now on I am forcing everyone to put on nos and buy that stupid thing from ebay that adds 20HP!! :lol:

Where's the love? :D

Something that started too confuse me...

You said we couldn't use anything that would ADD power to the engine, then listed things such as intake and exhaust.

The stock intake and exhaust systems inhibit horsepower, by upgrading them your only ALLOWING or RESTORING horsepower to the eninge.

My uncle taught me somethings about engines and power in general:

Higher compression, aggressive cams etc., MAKE power.
Intake, Exhaust etc., ALLOW power.
A tuborcharger, supercharger or Nitrous ADD power.

What would I do to make my vehicle more reliable? Never surpass 3500 RPM and properly maintain my engine and transmission....

yea I know, its a cheesey answer..


Yea you could never shift passed 3500 rpm....but still there are things you can do to a engine (ANY ENGINE) to make it more reliable....case in point 3rd generation RX-7 engine....ticking time bomb.....someone that actually knows what there doing with that engine knows and understands that before you can add power to that engine you have to make it better then stock and lower the damn engine temp....I feel this is my best example

Hahahaa this isnt a confusing post....just a difficult one.....all I want to know is how would you make a engine and drivetrain more reliable without adding power......I think since I took "adding power" out of the equation i stumped alot of people....how very sad....I give props for all of those that actually answered the question at hand....good job to the few that actually comprehended
(Sarcastic reply)

Hey where are my props for the tranny idea!!?? :shock: Well, now I feel swindled and feel I shouldn't give anymore non-HP advice. :x From now on I am forcing everyone to put on nos and buy that stupid thing from ebay that adds 20HP!! :lol:

Where's the love? :D


Sorry man.....just so you wont turn into a little girl I will allow you to be one of the few that got what I was asking :D

What I would do is start slipping some steroids into the food I give the hampsters who run around in the wheel that powers my engine!!!

What I would do is start slipping some steroids into the food I give the hampsters who run around in the wheel that powers my engine!!!


I would upgrade to farrots.

I'm tired of pondering this topic. Can we get back to modding for power again? :D

I'm tired of pondering this topic. Can we get back to modding for power again? :DNO

Yea you could never shift passed 3500 rpm....but still there are things you can do to a engine (ANY ENGINE) to make it more reliable....case in point 3rd generation RX-7 engine....ticking time bomb.....someone that actually knows what there doing with that engine knows and understands that before you can add power to that engine you have to make it better then stock and lower the damn engine temp....I feel this is my best example

Solid point, but I could never own a Rotary. I need a dependable-___ daily driver. All my FC/FD3S friends tell me their a money pit.

If you want to learn about reliability with performance, particularly a turbocharged motor, read Maximum Boost by Corky Bell its hella tight.