MAJOR UPDATE - 1 YR LATER haha..

Since our initial release, we have updated, added, and altered the following:

Overall turbo kit line:
We've sold a lot of turbo kits, with different parts and accessories to compliment them. Changes include the switch from TiAL BOV's to the HKS SSQV. We also altered our emanage tunes. Fuel injectors have been switch to a full PnP making this kit wire-splice free! The main turbo kit is still the same though. The same turbo is being used, same pipes, same exhaust system, etc. We made numbers ranging from as low as 229whp (Automatic at 5psi) to over 300whp on a stock 5-speed. Built motors are making much more. The new turbo kit line keeps the S1, but now adds the TEA as an option. Here's something about our TEA kit...

The TEA Kit Story:
Paul called me, and wanted to try something new. It was the beginning of our stage 2. Being in love with boost, I couldn't resist. So we set out a goal for a future HP/TQ, and took into account the engine build to be. A turbo was selected, and we tested it. The results were impressive. The powerband felt more linear (although more lag) and the top end power band was definately improved. We knew this kid could be released to the public. So after more testing, and developing of our kit, we decided it was ready. The TEA kit was born and is now making some of the highest numbers of many bolt-on kits to this day. With this kit you will get a heat sheild, our PnP harness comes standard, and the additional "black box", to be discussed soon.

The internals:
Stock motor for life? To some yes. To us no. Granted I'm still running the stock motor, we've been spending quite some time designing what's known as a "dream motor". Power delivery is important, but so is throttle response and longevity. The perfect motor will be all of this. We've been choosing each piece very carefully. We're still not done with all of the components we're using yet, never mind the build itself. We have been selling the Wiseco pistons, Carillo a-beam and h-beam rods already. This is just a taste of what's to come. We've been playing with different CRs, cam profiles, valve diameters, and even engine materials (Ti vs steel). Everything's being taken into account, including price. When the motor goes public in the upcoming months, I see many people wanting to buy this package.

The electronics:
Why settle? We sure wont! We have been running with the Greddy Emanage since day 1. After almost a year of selling our kits with these units reliably, we started looking into more alternatives. The first task was to fix the daily driver scare of lean AFR’s under partial throttle (a.k.a. <80%, closed loop). We did it! With release of our black box, you can now tune your partial throttle fuel curves. The end result is a very reliable, very streetable turbo car. We offer a pre-tune to get you going. 4 wires later, you’re ready to go. But why stop there? Why not go for the ultimate? The ultimate is a stand-alone. With two-step rev limiting, custom maps, and total control, you can’t go wrong. We’ve been debating on which system to go with for a while and two units we’ve been fabricating and testing. We have an ETA of LATE winter/early spring. Stay tuned for more updates in that matter down the road.

Overall… We’re happy with our products so far. We have a fast turn-time, reliable products, and great performers. We’ve been catering to suspensions, brakes, and other areas as well. I think it’s helped us and the customer, being able to offer everything in one location. The stock motor on my car has been boosted for 1yr and 2 months, with being driven from no tune to fully tuned and 11psi, it’s been through everything. We’ve used different gas types, different climate, and different driving conditions. She still drives strong and will be a running motor when we replace it with the built one.

If you guys have questions let me know! I know it’s been a while!

END DEC 21st UPDATE

Some already know about the kit to be built by Dezod Motorsports. We are in the works of developing OEM quality kits in order to offer full reliability and performance to match.

UPDATE: 6-21-05!!!
Turbonetics "secret sauce" turbo
Tial Wastegate and BOV
Random Tech piping and exhaust work
Custom built manifold (stainless log) (I don't think we're using Alphawerks anymore)
Greddy Electronics
Custom built intercooler
Misc parts from turbonetics (oil lines, flanges, and clamps)

OUR QUESTIONS FOR YOU...
As posted ahead in the thread, we have a few questions:
-Would you consider a stealthy flat black 3" exhaust to hide the bling, or still want something shiny?
-For the external wastegate: Would you like us to keep all the wastegtes silver or offer a couple extra colors? Which color would you want (anodized blue, red, purple, or black)?
-For the BOV: Same question as above? What color choice?

Please PM or respond here if you have suggestions or comments on what to offer with the kit.
-END UPDATE**

UPDATE 6-28-05!!

Custom built intercooler is expected to arrive for this Wednesday. Turbonetics just finished our turbo today and is expected to ship out sometime tomorrow. Tial is working on our large order we made to stock up on BOVs and Wastegates.
-END UPDATE**

UPDATE 6-28-05 V2.0!!!!
Our custom built intercooler showed up today. So with that, I took a pic of it, along with a couple of some of the Greddy stuff.
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Update 7/07/05!!
-Tial has finished our large order of wastegates and bovs so we now have multiple ones of each in stock.
-Turbonetics finished the custom built turbo and shipped it out, it arrives Saturday.
-Flanges for turbo manifold are complete. They are CNC machined cast iron, ceramic coated flanges. Good stuff.

Update 7/11/05!!
I'm leaving now to take our Turbo and Wastegate to our manifold shop to get the manifold finished up. Our turbo is GORGEOUS!!! It's definately a show piece turbo. Using a polished compressor housing with an anodized gold center section. The tab for our intercooler is being welded over the next hour or two and I'll take a picture of the IC mounted on the car. We're getting closer to finishing this project and will be contacting our GA people soon.

Update 7/13/05!!
New stuff now open to public... Our intercooler will be pictured on this thread sometime tomorrow showing how it's installed. This is to give our customers a piece of mind knowing how simple it is to attach to the car. A new promotion will be in effect once we open our pre-orders... Any pre-order on the kit ($1k deposit) will get a teaser/welcome kit in the mail, as well as a free Autometer boost gauge. If you choose not to take the boost gauge, we'll hook you up with a $50 coupon code, allowing you to take $50 off anything on the www.dezod.com store front. If you want something you don't see on the site and would like us to special order it, the $50 discount is still valid and will be accepted. Thanks for everyone's interest. We're now getting phone calls and messages every day asking about stuff for the kit, which is great. If there's something you'd like to know, and it's within reason, by all means post here. If you would like it to remain prive don't hesitate to email, call, or PM me. Only reason I ask to be posted on this thread first is so other members may learn the same information. Thanks again for everyone's support.

Update 7-15-05!!
This is what everyone's been waiting for. You can now see what the turbo and IC look like. I figured I hyped it up enough to show a little of what I'm talking about to back it up. The turbo pics were taken on some black felt I had left from the custom system.
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- The turbo is polished with a gold anodized center. I'm chosing not to show all the angles because of certain specs stamped on the housings. The IC pic is the only one for now, expect more once I can get the car out of the garage and back on the road.

That's about it for the short update for now. I'm not sure how many pics I'll post of any of the stuff yet. We need to keep a lot of the special stuff quiet until it's ready to sell. I know you all understand. Thanks.


Update 7-21-05!!
ACT has given us the parts numbers we requested to sell the new ACT clutch systems for the tC. We now sell matching clutch sets to go with our turbo kits. Please follow this link if you want your clutch today: http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=74102. We will be offering them with our turbo kits at a discount if they're purchased at the same time of the kit. The street setup is what we're promoting because the pucks are just a little to harsh for daily driving. Another new update, we are now proud to announce that by the time our kits are ready for shipment, we will offer a full plug and play system for the emanage. Not only will it come with a pre-tuned application disc to get your car on the road, but it will come with a full harness replacement that connects to your stock ECU and directly to the emanage, no wire splicing necessary. This is by far the fastest, cheapest, and most reliable way to get your tC connected up to a fully programmable engine management system Expect more updates soon as we are working night and day on getting the most out of our turbo kits to give you the looks, reliability, and performance that everyone wants. Thanks again.

Update 8-9-2005!!
Exhaust flanges are done from CNC shop. Came out flawless. All flanges are port matched to the tC head to eliminate any added turbulance (creates turbo lag and less power). They're machined smoothly, with now "straight plate" look, everything is curves on this bad boy. The final manifold should be done by Thursday of this week, expect pics then or the following day.
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Update 8-10-2005!!
Update: Plug and play system will definately be available for the tC with or without our kit. Refer to this thread for more info and pricing/buying information:
http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=971696#971696.

It will not be included with our turbo kit, but it will be an option. We want to keep the base price of this kit low enough for those who need/want to save as much as possible. The package price with a purchase of the turbo kit will be an option, but the harness may not be available as soon as the kit, due to the pre-order we're making.

If there are extra harnesses in stock, then they will ship out with the kit, to all those who paid for the upgrade.


***Update 8-12-2005!!
Before the actual update... We need more opinions from you guys again. Do you want the Stage 1 kits to have the wastegate routed back into the down pipe (more money), or vent/dump downward (cheaper, louder)? It's up to you guys, we'll end up doing one or the other. Stage 2 kits will all dump, not go back into the exhaust, as it performs better.

We did it! The turbo manifold is complete and we finally got it the way we wanted. The final charge pipes and full exhaust systems will be done the last week of this month. After that, we're good to go!

Here's some pics of what it will look like, roughly...
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Update 8/15
Here's the manifold installed before it's shipped off to get final charge pipes made.
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Update 8/27!!
We shipped out the kit in the beginning of the week to Random Tech it GA for the charge pipe manufacturing, exhaust manufacturing, and more fitment/development. The chief engineer of Random Tech is designing the pipe system with us. We're also developing/paying for a full replacement exhaust, from the S-Pipe back. It will be a true bolt up, no cutting or welding, and utilize a 2.5" stainless exhaust. We came to a decision to dump the wastegate charge down under the motor (keep the engine bay clean) and not plumb it back into the exhaust. For those choosing to rout back in, please PM us before ordering so we can make arrangements to ship you the flange you need to get it finished. We feel this is the best performing, most economical option. The manifold will have multiple coating options (all Caps coating). ETA on completion of all the hardware is September 2nd. I should receive the kit in the middle of the following week, we installation and testing will begin. We are also close to the completion of the full plug and play Emanage system (costing us a lot to make). We won't install our Emanage on the Dezod tC until we try this kit out. This is for obvious reasons, as we do not want to release the harness until it's completely flawless. We will not release prices or official specs until this is all done. The kits will not be sold or released until the kinks and design is worked out to perform as consistant as the original, and only of the original is up to our standards and expectations. I'm sorry I don't have any updated pics, but we're choosing to not upload any more development pics until it's close to completion. Stay tuned for more shortly.

Update 9/6/05!!
Quick update... Random Tech is finishing our pipes this week. They will also be shipping a full turbo-back exhaust system (OEM bolt-up) to us along with the kit. We will be selling the turbo-back exhausts as an upgrade with our kit. Installation and tuning of everything will be done within the next week or two. A lot of pictures will be taken. It'll help us make the PDF installation manual for those who buy the kits from us. We've put in thousands (many of thousands) of dollars into developing and engineering this kit. Boost will be incredibly fast with torque that just doesn't go away. MSD has sent us injectors and EFI clips for final fit an finish of our fuel system. Small details will be worked out next week and a final list of components that come with the kit will be posted. Prices will be posted, numbers, pictures, specs, upgrades, and any misc things you made need to install our kits. It's almost time guys! Thanks for being patient.

Update 9/10/05!!
Pic is up of the Emanage Plug and Play harness kit. Testing will be done next week, and the first pre-order will ship after that. From there, expect all pre-orders to be finished in about 4-5 weeks. Limited time price still in effect, buy yours before the time is up...
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Update 9/16/05 Charge Pipes and exhaust pre-lim stuff...
This is just with tack welds, not the real thing. The finished product will look much nicer when we're done with everything. Final kit includes custom brackets and extremely clean welds on the entire system. And yes we did decide to recirc the wastegate.

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You guys can expect some more results over the next week or two. We were shooting to finish the kit by this Friday but it looks like we're looking at closer to the Friday after. This is due to some fuel designs we're working on, and the charge pipe layout. We're keeping the front bumper on our kit (the actual metal part that protects you and your engine from a frontal crash) so the mounting and piping is a little bit more difficult than usual. Please bare with us. On a positive not, we haven't taken a cent from anyone but those who bought a pre-ordered harness. The harness will be shipping on the date as promised, so so far everything is under control. We've spent double digits worth of thousands of dollars in developing this kit for race and street use. When it's to the point where we want it (original goal of OEM quality fitment) we will then release the kit to the public. ETA for sale is now 3 weeks when we start taking orders. Thanks to all being patient with us, and start saving! In the mean time, if you're planning on buying a clutch with us at the same time as your turbo kit, PM me. We are willing to ship the clutches out in advance (and still give you the package price) so you may install the clutch before your turbo comes in. This allows you to properly break it in and to get used to it before you're pushing almost 300HP.

Update 9/23/05!!
We have a 3rd fuel system we're trying out in the beginning of the week next week. Our pipes are all being bent today (final kit, not the ones seen in the pics). Once they're done with the bender they'll be mildy polished for a semi-show finish. It's not going to be dead sexy like some other polished or powder coated kits, but it leaves you the room to customize, and keeps cosats down while still looking good. ETA on a complete kit (pictures) is BY October 1st. 1 week away. From there, we'll spend the following week testing and installing everything to get it all running right, followed by the numbers.

Update 10/1/05!!

As an update... Our intake pipe on the proto-type kit does not have a MAF flange so we had to use a universal adapter. Your kits will have the flange on the pipe itself. The prototype kit was extremely rushed so the pipes will actually look better on the production kit. We are also modifying the downpipe slightly but that is small detail. Production kits will also have tabs for some of the pipes so it may be bolted up to the car, ensuring a more secure assembly. I have a couple teaser pics so far to show what I've been doing....

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Nicest downpipe you've ever seen :)....
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PICS AS OF 10/03/05...
New pics as promised...
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This pic is of the injectors installed (almost impossible to take but hey...)
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Hope you guys like how the kit will look!

Update 10-05-05!!! Lots more pics, pretty much done...
Ok guys good news! Dyno is scheduled this Friday, and racing will be done Friday night weather permitting. I'll upload some more pics right now, and the next big upload will be pics of everything complete, and cleaned! After about $10 worth or parts, development, and tweaking, I couldn't be more happy with the result. Fitment is amazing, and everything fills the engine bay the way it's supposed to. We also utilize the stock crank-case hose (costs you less money and looks like it's mean to be there) and we utilize the stock cold air extension pipe for the intake. Here's some pics of the pipes before we clamped everything down and put the bumper on.

Piping...

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Now for how well our kit fills that nice engine bay...

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And now to show you how the kit is so well designed that even the stainless covered oil line looks like it's meant to be :)

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Oil feed (simple and leak proof design...)

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The ONE-PIECE drop-in turbo, manidold, wastegate, downpipe, o2 assembly... The whole thing drops right in...

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UPDATE 10/11/05!!! 2 Videos
Remember these vids are before any major dyno tuning. It has some tuning under it's belt but with severely retarded ignition timing and a very rich AFR (close to about 11).

VIDEOS AS PROMISED!!!

Right click and DL please so I don't kill our website bandwidth. Thanks guys!

Inside and Outside the tC...
http://dezod.com/files/tC-insider%20and%20out%20b4%20final%20dyno%20tune.wmv

On the dyno...
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UPDATE 10/17/05!!
Ok guys here's the scoop. This is the first kit we've made. After some very heavy abuse tonight we're finding that the high-flow cat doesn't like constant abuse. It can handle daily driving fine, but long runs of boost will get it pretty hot. We actually got it glowing red lol... Anyway... Even at the lower 8.7psi, we still pulled ignition timing back about 4 degrees. It's been running fine so we figure why not play it safe a bit.

Here's the detail of the dyno... We used a $40K dyno. It has a computerized load system to generate a virtual street run. The extra load gives us a longer pull and shows how the motor will run on the street. According to our tuner, without the extra load put on, he said the numbers would be about 15% higher than recorded. The pulled ignition timing lost us about 20hp on the dyno, but it's better safe than sorry. We did this dyno using a cat, 8.7psi, stock clutch (which is slipping horribly already, 4th doesn't hold at all anymore under boost), the wastegate being dumped into the cat, and with the 18s on the car haha...

The HP on the actual dyno was 243.3 and 255 tq. With just a 15% correction for what a normal dyno would show, you would have seen 279.8WHP and 293.3 TQ. Now the future kits will probably not come with the Cat anymore (but may be an option for those who want it), and the wastegate will be dumped. This means we're expecting about 260WHP WITH the 15% load. Our goal is about 300WHP with minor modification, but 260 is reasonable.

Here's the graph, almost a perfectly flat (somewhat rich) fuel curve....
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UPDATE 10/28/05!!!
Road review and updates...
We asre VERY pleased with on-road performance. Some minor idle tuning for atmospheric venting is still being done but should be perfect next week. The car is extremely fast for such a moderate boost level. 3rd spins if it's when out with ease, and the BOV is smooth yet very audible. We are keeping the cat on our retail kits. We are also keeping the re-circ setup for the wastegate. There's new methods we're using to keept things perfect for the street car.

Race review and updates...
The Racing experience blew us away. 1st run I left the tire pressure at 30psi on BF Goodrich dragradials. This is extremely high for this type of tire, but I was curious on what it would do. 1st and 2nd spun, and I bounced into 3rd. 3rd and 4th went by just as fast and I hit a 13.8@103MPH at a little over 8psi. So, in an effort to get a lot more traction off the line, I lowered the tire pressure to 20psi. I heatsoaked the hell out of them in the burnout box (2nd gear burnouts are always fun). I get to the line, and as soon as I dump the clutch, BANG! I snapped the passenger side axle. retail for a new one is $467. I have a replacement showing up tomorrow afternoon. The car is capable of running a mid 13 at the street tune on the stock boost level. If you upped the boost and used our optional MAP sensor Greddy kit, you can run over 10psi safely and start cutting some high 12s on the same kit (providing you already upgraded your clutch like I have.

Verdict:
The kit is pretty much complete. We'll be selling the kits most likely as of next week once I have the new axle on and finish some final testing/tuning. There will be many optional and strongly suggested upgrades we'll offer.

All in all guys, we made it! Thanks to everyone for standing by us, and we look forward to all the Racing setups we'll be developing over the winter (Stage 2, head packages, pistions, rods, sleeves, cooling, tranny, etc...)

Are you going to use my sugestion of the alpawerks manifold? I bet you are you sly dog. I already went with ZPI, but keep us up on the details :bow: :bow:

Haha... I was expecting/hoping you'd be one of the first to post.

Nothing's official yet, but I can say Alphawerks/Nexus will be helping us with this. And we are using a cast iron maifold (virtually impossible to crack, oem quality, identical production). We get our first manifold over the next couple of weeks once it's done. The intercooler will be here at the end of this week/beginning of next week. The turbo is currently in the works so I'm unsure of the date of arrival. I can assure you we will get straight to the fabrication and tesing once we get it.

I'm expecting the manifold to perform very well. We will be finding that out after multiple pulls on the dyno, track testing, and daily driving.

What are the turbo options?

Will you have a "bling" option? Polished turbos are purdy.

When do you think this kit will be out and how much you think it going to be priced around 3-4k?

What are the turbo options?

Will you have a "bling" option? Polished turbos are purdy.

Turbo options will be very limited. I can tell you what the difference is between the Stage 1 and the Stage 2. Stage 1 will be built specifically for 6-10psi, with a moderately flat torque curve. It should spool by 2400rpms and make full boost well before 3000rpms. The stage 2 will have the same compressor wheel, but with a larger AR on the exhaust side. It will be built for shooting between 12-22psi, depending on your engine setup. It will also be a patented single ball bearing turbo, which should allow for spooling as soon as the stage 1 setup.

The bling option will go unanswered for now. We may do it standard, it may be optional, it may not even be offered. We are doing everything we can to avoid back orders, delays, or added cost both to you and us. We'll see what out suppliers can do for us, and at what cost.

When do you think this kit will be out and how much you think it going to be priced around 3-4k?

As of right now I am still unsure of the ETA on the kit. It comes down to how soon we can get the stuff to test everything for a while. We're shooting to have it available by August, as long as we're comfortable with the results.

We're shooting to keep stage 1 set for around 3k. We want these kits to be affordable as much as they are reliable, and are spending a great deal of time on making the system as effective as possible for a specific price point.

Stage 2 should be closer to 4-4.5K but allow you to make a LOT of power.

Various upgrades will also be offered as a package price. This will include purchases like clutches, flywheels, brakes, electronics (boost controllers, turbo timers, etc), and hopefully some type of tire deal.

The initial release of these kits will not have all of the packages worked out, because we are on a certain time schedule. I can assure you that each kit will be complete with everything you need to boost safely, and take down some cars at the track.

Expect videos, pictures, and more as we move on. Thanks for the q-s, keep them coming!

Congratulations, look forward to your progress on the first models being offered.

Thanks.

New update from a previous PM. I will look into it to make sure, but this kit should be able to work fine with automatic tCs. We will probably ship kits out with a lower pressure spring in the wastegate to avoid risk of damage to the tranny until we figure something out to beef it up a little bit.

sounds great. thanks for supporting this platform :)

are you going to try a SMIC setup? i would like to be able to road race without a FMIC blocking the air getting to my radiator.

are you going to use the Type S or Type RS recirculated?
what about putting the tial into the exhaust instead of a seperate downpipe?
that would keep the noise down and the unwanted attention (coppers) away

what about ceramic coating the pipes to keep the heat down?

also ... the only reason to use the Type RS over the Type S is that the S leaks above 22psi.... i'm not sure your difference in cost but if you could get the the S and keep costs down it'll be a little cheaper for the customer and more readily available for you.

Believe it or not, the RS costs less than the S for us.

I think we're still planning on staying with FMICs for both setups, though the stage 2 can still be modified (haven't done anything yet).

I'd like to bring the wastegate back into the downpipe if possible. We'll be going through trial and error to see which will work better.

We could possibly offer ceramic coating as an option. I know that we could sell heat wrap (worst case scenario) if someone really wants the best performance.

As for the recirculation on the BOV... I'm debating on recirculating or letting the Emanage compensate for an atmospheric BOV. Which ever runs smoother and performs the best overall is what we'll be using.

Thanks for the q's, and I'll start loading up some pictures beginning next weeek.

Awesome Joe, that car of yours rocks, love the body kit.

Same as on our cars, there are tuning solutions that allow you to calibrate it for a vented BOV. They don't work as well as just recirculating it, because there is no guess work involved with that :)

so there will be no FMIC for the stage 1? an up grade?

We plan on using an FMIC on both kits. The Stage 2 may utilize a better intercooler, but the stage 1 intercooler supports about 400hp with minimal turbo lag.

We are using an intercooler that takes advantage of the bumpers, both the Kaminari and the stock. It will be a lower profile, basically just wide but low. I don't want to release too much yet but it will utilize the factory cooling areas without adding so much of a core where turbo lag is probable.

An upgrade could be a SLIGHTly larger core, maybe a couple inches, but with larger end tanks for a larger pipe diameter.

We are even experimenting with different pipe sizes to see how the velocity, lag, and cooling efficiency changes.

Been in the garage all morning figuring out some stuff. Thanks for the compliment on the body kit.

BTW - Here's the Dezod tC, that we're currently boosting...
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/8/web/704000-704999/704420_94_full.jpg
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/8/web/704000-704999/704420_95_full.jpg
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/8/web/704000-704999/704420_97_full.jpg
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/8/web/704000-704999/704420_98_full.jpg

Well the tC is on the Dezod.com website.

Today was a good day of getting things ready. We expect some pretty impressive numbers from the whole thing.

I'll slowly trickle in more info as tiem presses on. Also, I know the site has a couple typo's and until we figure out what to call this project, it will remain a nice lil "urban" lingo phrase.

As said before, I need a tC doner car from Atlanta, GA dropped off for a week at Random Technologies. We will give you a kit at our cost plus 5% (to cover paypal or cc fees) or a discount off the website. A donar car will significantly reduce the amount of time it will take to get this kit made up.

i can donate my car if you can ship it down. or if you are looking for a car in the NJ area i can do that too :)

Joe, are your kits going to be carb EO, and if so, when do you think you can get em carb'd? and how much will that bump up the price for those kits?

Random Tech is possibly offering us a couple donar tCs looking to them so I'd like to keep it in that general area. We'll let you know if we can work something out. Thanks.

Also, here's the link for the "project"...
http://www.dezod.com/projects.cfm

Joe, are your kits going to be carb EO, and if so, when do you think you can get em carb'd? and how much will that bump up the price for those kits?

As much as I'd like the kits to be Carb Certified, I know it will take a great deal of time and money. As of right now, we will be releasing the kits without a carb cert. but later on if sales continue to go at a good rate, and there's enough demand, we may consider it.

Ok guys here's the update for the last couple of days. We purchased a lot of parts already and expect most of them next week.

Parts purchased:
Custom spec'd intercooler with staggered end tanks
Turbonetics "special build" hybrid turbo (specs anonymous for now)
Turbonetics hoses, t-clamps, v-clamps
Manifold being made (Going for a pure stainless, either that or cast iron).

We basically have everything we need but pipes, a BOV, the fuel system, and a wastegate. That should all be taken care of over the next week.

We're using a lot of science and calculations with this kit (two smart guys workin on this one haha). Everything will be calculated. The thermal conditions, MAF placement, charge pipe diameterS, injector pulse, downpipe diameter with new S-Pipe, routing of wastegate, the works.

We're also trying to use an OEM upgraded high-impedence injector setup. This will ensure identical flow numbers when compared with the injectors we test with, so no one get's an "off tune".

We actually started figuring out what our Stage 2 will consist off and it's going to be a monster setup... If we get traction, we're expecting 11s on stock block, stock tranny (upgraded clutch though!).

Hopefully that's a start of an update. If anyone else wants to know more, let me know and we'd be more than happy to answer any questions or comments you have.

-Joe

Looks like you guys are headed in the right direction. Cant want to see the final product and the numbers it puts down.

You know how much this forum likes videos....

Man I wish SOMEBODY would come out with their kit. :( I've been waiting for ScionSpeed for over a quarter year now.

When we're done this kit, our kits will be available nearly instantly. There will be about a week delay once we receive money so we can order the turbos. We'll be stocking some of the components, but not the large expensive ones.

I've been known on the 7thgencivic.com site for my videos, rest assured you will have more media than you can imagine when we get going on this. It'll be quite interesting.

Thanks for you support guys, we're doing the best we can to please everyone.

mMM interesting.

New update... We just sent Greddy $530 for misc parts.

Man, talk about keeping people up to date.

yah thats my silver tc in those pics...joe cant wait till the turbo comes out and like i told you before if you need help you know who to call now that im part of deceptive illusions i want to part of the turbo process.....we have tohave another meet adn post it sooner you know....

yah know. I personally don't know Joe, but he drives a Nice tC, seems like a pretty well informed and cool guy on the boards. I personally am Getting sick of sitting on 5gs in my bank account waiting for a carb EO turbo kit. If Joe gets his out b4 Greddy, HKS or what ever I'll probably be buying from him. Since his kit is using the Turbo I want, and the electronics I want

yah know. I personally don't know Joe, but he drives a Nice tC, seems like a pretty well informed and cool guy on the boards. I personally am Getting sick of sitting on 5gs in my bank account waiting for a carb EO turbo kit. If Joe gets his out b4 Greddy, HKS or what ever I'll probably be buying from him. Since his kit is using the Turbo I want, and the electronics I want

Dude that made my night.

I am doing everything in my power to get the same level of quality as OEM.

Our pipes are being professionally made by Random Tech, a high-flow cat/downpipe company out of Atlanta, GA. Every pipe will have the same bend ensuring perfect OEM fitment, quality, and finish.

Is there anyone with suggestions or requests on what they want to come with the kit? As of right now you get the following:

Turbonetics "special sauce" turbo
Custom staggered intercooler setup (made for specific air flow)
Greddy BOV
mandrel bent charge pipes, downpipe, S-Pipe
Greddy fuel and igition system.
Turbonetics hoses, clamps, and oil lines
Tial external aastegate (routed back into exhaust for stage 1)
Nexus/Alphawerks turbo manifold

More or less a kit that's shipping with about 250-310WHP, depending on exhaust, octane, and any other supporting mods.

Now the question is if we should ship it with a boost controller (MBC to keep cost down), or structure it eventually with upgrades to an EBC or more. Turbo timers, and other misc equipment is available on Dezod.com

yah thats my silver tc in those pics...joe cant wait till the turbo comes out and like i told you before if you need help you know who to call now that im part of deceptive illusions i want to part of the turbo process.....we have tohave another meet adn post it sooner you know....

You know I'll give you a buzz when it's time to start building. Just promise to keep it on the DL haha.

Is there anyone with suggestions or requests on what they want to come with the kit? As of right now you get the following:

can i have one of those kits at 5% over cost? :P

If you live it Atlanta, GA and want to donate your car for a week, I don't see why not haha...

We'll do our best to keep these kits affordable. I'm trying to get creative with soo many things to add value or some type of uniqueness (sp? or does that word exist???).

Stay tuned guys, I'll start showing pictures close to the end of the week next week. Thanks.

Only thing joe. I'd prefer a type rs blow off valve. Profec type S boost controler etc. Just wondering if you guys would be flexible in the ordering of your kits. Of course if the customer wants a more expensive part, the kit is going to cost that much more. Just hope you guys can do that.

We're looking to be able to do that.

We are using the Greddy Type-RS with the kits to begin with, so the only upgrade you'd probably request is a boost controller, which isn't an issue.

Now switching to a different BOV other than a Greddy Type-S (instead of the included RS) will be next to impoosible and a lot more money. Our kits will be pre-made and flanged specifically for the Greddy BOV units. HKS costs more and uses a completely different flange, so that'd be hard.

The type-RS uses the same technology as the HKS SSQV but looks nicer for recirculationg, so we went with that.

As much as I'd like the kits to be Carb Certified, I know it will take a great deal of time and money. As of right now, we will be releasing the kits without a carb cert. but later on if sales continue to go at a good rate, and there's enough demand, we may consider it.


I'm in Cali so hopefully you consider CARB certification. I already have 3gs saved up so hopefully yours will already be CARB certified when I get enough money for the turbo.

If you can make the turbo spool by ~2500 rpm than I'm game.

I like so many choices - I just hope no one comes in and reveals Dezod's shoddy past or something. Then they'll all be the same..

If you can make the turbo spool by ~2500 rpm than I'm game.

I like so many choices - I just hope no one comes in and reveals Dezod's shoddy past or something. Then they'll all be the same..

We're developing this kit to hopefully spool below 2500 no prob, but full boost will be closer to 3K.

Anything about our past wil only make us look better so I'm not worried about that. We have been growing rapidly and all of our customers are happy with us.

If you live it Atlanta, GA and want to donate your car for a week, I don't see why not haha...

We'll do our best to keep these kits affordable. I'm trying to get creative with soo many things to add value or some type of uniqueness (sp? or does that word exist???).

Stay tuned guys, I'll start showing pictures close to the end of the week next week. Thanks.

i live in NJ, couldn't you guys do something with turbo trix so i can get the hook up :P

They're a great company and I do respect them, but turbo trix isn't making full production pipe kits for our Stage 1 kit. Random Tech is the golden company that's allowing this whole thing to go smoothly. Hopefully everything works out and we have no regrets. I'm definately looking forward to running this kit.

yeah, i'm looking foward to seeing it. best of luck. untill i can buy a kit (or one of the awesome venders here hook me up with a deal) i'll just have to sit back and watch the videos and look at the pictures :P

Fair enough mah man. Thanks for the support. I'll do my part in the deal and hook you all up with the Vids and pics as we go on. Any suggestions for sites that host video files?

Ok we are pretty sure we have a tC donation thanks to this site! It will be going to Random Tech sometime soon.

Our manifold construction begins tomorrow, using a stainless manifold. We're also now planning on using the Tial BOV. It will not only match the engine bay very well (Tial wastegate) but it will keep the turbo kit at a price point we're aiming for. Too many components are making this kit cost more than we want, and we want the customers to be able to afford this kit!

Our intercooler showed up today, and our turbo is still being built in the Turbonetics warehouse. Hopefully we'll have more updates soon. Stay tuned.

Due to recent demands with other projects/products we sell, we're considering certain upgrades or options to offer you guys.

One was this: We're considering offering a matching 3" cat-back system, but using a flat-black muffler without the huger "canister" look for those looking for a sleeper/non-flashy setup. My question to you, would you buy such an upgrade?

If you think the flat-black is something that doesn't really work well, what would you like? Mind you this is only for our turbo kits and we currently do not anticipate making an NA version for a while.

EDIT: PIC of exhaust
http://www.dezod.com/prod_images_large/11471.jpg

Thanks for your help ladies and gents...

Also, here's a couple pics of our wastegate and BOVs...

http://www.dezod.com/prod_images_large/WG38mm1.jpg
http://www.dezod.com/prod_images_large/BVred1.jpg

We're using Tial which is available in anodized silver, red, or blue.

I like the "sleeper/non-flashy" look personally. While some like the HKS angle or big canister style exhausts, if I can avoid it without performance loss, I most certainly will try. I haven't decided if I like the flat black yet, still under consideration.

How goes the work for us folks with auto transmissions?

Keep it up Joe, got my eye on this thread, very impressed so far. =D

I'll try to get my hands on an auto tC to make sure I can bolt the kit up. If I have a local auto, I'll just test fit our protype to make sure we can do it.

For Auto owners: We are planning on trying to offer the kit to auto owners. The kits will have a lower psi spring in the wastegate to not risk damage to the tranny, a different tune, and probably come with a transmision cooler.

I kinda like the sleeper look too! I prefer it to be the same set-up as the stock or the TRD since it is located where the heat shield is. I just don't dig the picture you posted of the flat black. Is that available in stainless steel so it doesn't rust?

Also, here's a couple pics of our wastegate and BOVs...

http://www.dezod.com/prod_images_large/WG38mm1.jpg
http://www.dezod.com/prod_images_large/BVred1.jpg

We're using Tial which is available in anodized silver, red, or blue.

Awesome! colors! I guess the wastegate size doesn't matter because there are colors. You actually bought a wastegate before you sized the turbo? What are you thinking?

I cant wait til this gets released.............i think releasing a standard kit and then having upgrades is much better for someone like me who has never had a turbo car. as time goes on and i learn i can upgrade to the better BOV or wastegate or turn up the boost with a boost controller. i cant wait for dynos!!!!!!!!!!

Trust me everything is sized properly. We have everything about ready to go minus the charge pipes, downpipe, and manifold. Once that's done we're pretty much good to go ahead with testing and dyno'ing.

I'm glad you like the choice of upgrades. The Tial wastegate has a spring that's replaceable. The unit can go down to 3.63 psi. amd up to 14.5psi (1 bar). From there, you can add a boost controller to up the boost a little but for a faster spool (for you electronic boost controllers) and a controllable spike if you get any. Our kits are shipping out at 8.7 psi to keep things reliable, but upgradeable. We plan on dyno'ing the car at the rate 8.7psi so you know the numbers you'd get with your kit. We're also planning on dragging it with your psi rated kits to give you an accurate number to expect from yours.

The Dezod car is no way all out race. I want to make it possibly the fasted show car tC (minus Jotec of course). We have the Kaminari kit, 18x8s, a full custom audio system including dynamat, and some other misc goodies. It is no way the lightest tC out there. With the whole car as is (just a header and muffler) we ran a 15.9 at 88mph. We can't get this car off the line for the life of us. Hopefully I can buy a set of DRs to get more grip.

As for the BOV: I'd only replace it if you want a different sound. The Tial uses a HUGE diaphram so it definately flows more than enough air to keep the turbo going. It also has a spring specifically for our motor to not leak at idle, but hold quite an amount of boost (more than what a stock 2AZ is capable of).

More than turbo goodies and upgrades, we are quite a large vendor. We basically get any part for any car despite the fact that all of it is listed on the site. There's only one guy updating the site. Every day we add a couple more things. Expect all of our Toyota/Scion clutches and transmisison upgrades to be listed way before the turbo kits come out. Add that and the ability to upgrade your braking systems, fuel management, boost management, transmission, suspension, what ever you'd like, we can get.

There will be savings when upgrades/add-ons are purchased with the kit. After that we can more or less make suggestions on what to buy, and you can buy what you'd like.

I'm heading to the fab shop in a little bit so I may come back with a couple pics. See you guys this afternoon.

Our questions for you guys... Also asked earlier...

-Would you consider a stealthy flat black 3" exhaust to hide the bling, or still want something shiny?
-For the external wastegate: Would you like us to keep all the wastegtes silver or offer a couple extra colors? Which color would you want (anodized blue, red, purple, or black)?
-For the BOV: Same question as above? What color choice?

Joe:
1. Flat-black 3" exhaust sounds hot
2. Wastegates. I'm cool with just the silver not planning on showing whats up my baby's skirt, but to some of the guys who want to show what they got under the hood sure.
3. See above.

Cool thanks, anyone else?

Stainless exhaust but located where the stock is. Flat black will be okay if it won't rust.

I don't really care about the colors of the waste gate and BOV, as long as they match. If I had to pick I'd say red and blue tie for first place, silver a very close second. I feel pretty neutral about black, and purple... well we'll just say purple's not my thing but I could live with it.

As far as the exhaust goes, I'm looking for an exhaust system that isn't loud. I'm more concerned with the sound level/note and performance than I am about the looks.

EDIT: Another note about the exhaust: I had a GReddy SP exhaust on my last car which was stainless, but it had a brownish-gold coating on it except for on the tip which was polished. I wouldn't have minded the coating had it not started flaking off after a year and looking like crap.

I'd prefer a stainless flat black exhaust with polished tip, but as long as the black coating isn't gonna start flaking off and looking like crap, I can settle for flat black all over including the tip.

red though not super shiny anodized but powder coated instead

You guys are great, keep it coming.

Note: We'll look into different exhaust options. One problem is that it's pretty hard to get a quiet 3" exhaust setup.

3" flat black exhaust sounds good...are you planning to go with a high flow cat also or just no cat at all? would definitely like to pick one up once it's available

Joe, I have a question here. what's your plan to keep the A/F ratio safe? What kind of electronic control that you spec out to ensure safe A/F?

btw, is there a way to predict how soon the turbo is going to spool by looking at the comp map? Or, do people usually do it by installing different sizes of turbine housing by trial and error? :tap:

Hey Joe,

I have IIP so of course I would lean towards blue. As for the exhaust I would want it tucked firstly then either would be fine. Black is nice so I don't have to worry about cleaning it and doesn't show off to everyone behind me. Nice strong attractive tip, oval would be good. I prefer MagnaFlow performance mufflers as they offer amazing sound and straight through flow.

Also on the 3" exhaust... I think a 2.5" should still flow pretty well. Usually a 3" exhaust is reserved for those with 300+ hp. At least coming form the MR2 world. My MR2 has 2.5" and it flows great. 3" on the downpipe to and thru the s-pipe, 2.5" from there back should be fine.

Thanks, keep up the good work.

I really like Magnaflow's mufflers. And I like stainless steel mufflers.

But whatever it will be, I think most people want it tucked in under the car and not extremely visible.

great all i need now is money

3" flat black exhaust sounds good...are you planning to go with a high flow cat also or just no cat at all? would definitely like to pick one up once it's available

I think we're looking at using a Random Tech high-flow Cat (3" in and out). The Cats we use are CARB certified for you CA people, but I'm not sure if the turbo would still void that out. If anything a turbo is better for the environment because it's recycling some of those original gases and burning them better... Oh well.

Joe, I have a question here. what's your plan to keep the A/F ratio safe? What kind of electronic control that you spec out to ensure safe A/F?

btw, is there a way to predict how soon the turbo is going to spool by looking at the comp map? Or, do people usually do it by installing different sizes of turbine housing by trial and error?

We'll be using a Greddy Emanage with the Stage 1 kits. It will have added harnesses and injector upgrades. The turbo should start spooling around 2200 and be fully spooled around 3k or so (speculation until we try it). I'm just going by the math we did to find the perfect turbo.

Hey Joe,

I have IIP so of course I would lean towards blue. As for the exhaust I would want it tucked firstly then either would be fine. Black is nice so I don't have to worry about cleaning it and doesn't show off to everyone behind me. Nice strong attractive tip, oval would be good. I prefer MagnaFlow performance mufflers as they offer amazing sound and straight through flow.

Also on the 3" exhaust... I think a 2.5" should still flow pretty well. Usually a 3" exhaust is reserved for those with 300+ hp. At least coming form the MR2 world. My MR2 has 2.5" and it flows great. 3" on the downpipe to and thru the s-pipe, 2.5" from there back should be fine.

Thanks, keep up the good work.

From the sound of it we're definately leaning towards a more concealed muffler/exhaust setup. That's what everyone's wanting these days. As for the 3" thing... We feel it's a little more necessary on a larger displacement motor with FI to run a 3". 2.5 is nearly stock. If you port the head and run higher boost, a 3" is perfect so at least you're ready for the future. You'll still benefit now from a 3". 3" will give you a faster spool and slightly more power. Putting on a 3" up front then going smaller is the worst thing to do. That's not helping in CFM at all, but ADDING turbulance. With turbulance comes less power, and a slower spool, not good. If anything, a 2.5" DP with a 3" cat-back isn't too bad. We just figure if we're going through the hassle of building everything, we do it right.


So... The general agreement is tucked away OEM style setup, with either a rust proof flat black or stainless. OEM style oval or round tip that's stainless or polished to avoid corosion. 3" turbo-back system with a strong chance of a CARB approved high flow cat.

Thanks everyone.

So... The general agreement is tucked away OEM style setup, with either a rust proof flat black or stainless. OEM style oval or round tip that's stainless or polished to avoid corosion. 3" turbo-back system with a strong chance of a CARB approved high flow cat.

Exactly how I would want mine and I prefer OEM style oval tips.

I might end up getting your kit when it comes out. Looking for about 280whp whatever stage that is on your kit.

That would be our first released and most basic turbo kit.

We're doing 2 stages for multiple reasons. The stage 1 is a streetable setup that's capable of over 350WHP with proper upgrades. The Stage 2 is a larger turbo that's more efficient at a higher PSI level. That turbo is ball bearing with a larger exhaust AR and other misc upgrades.

More or less...
Stage 1: Reliable street/weekend warrior
Stage 2: Reliable drag/road race setup

hey joe....well you have heard my exhaust so i think i would like to keep it for my turbo....and you know im first in line right as soon as you finish yours..lol

I don't understand. Will you be providing a full exhaust system with the turbo kit?
Colorwise, I like plished, black, or anodized red for everything, in that order.

Edit:
OK, now that I have read the rest of the thread:
I HATE the stock exhaust. I LOVE the Injen exhaust and the angle of the HKS, but the HKS is a bit large. I figure, if I'm gonna spend that much on performance for my car, I want everyone to know it, wheather we are racing or not! Because I probably wont' be racing (I do have kids to think about :wink:) But since it seams you will go with a tucked, OEM style exhaust, do you know how well the kit will work with the Injen exhaust? Being that it's just an axle back, will you provide the piping up to the axle? I dont' know what the diameter on the Injen is either, so would it cause problems if it is smaller then your tubing?

Oh, and I deffinatly think a boost controller should be included, or at least optional, so we can change settings dpending on what we are doing...street, drag, track, etc.

Awesome thanks guys.

Insane tC, you know I won't forget you with this whole thing. PM me your cell number because I still don't have it for some reason.

Mr Meaty...
The Injen exhaust will work fine with out kits. The base kit with no upgrades will still come with an S-pipe, at least that's what we're shooting for. That will work with any stock or aftermarket exhaust system out there. Our 3" kits will only be to get the most out of the system, without turning it into a pimp my ride car. So needless to say, differen't size diameters will never break the car, only hinder some of it's true potential.

All turbo kits will come with a basic manual boost controller (as long as it's requested) but have an option for an EBC as an upgrade.

The minimum PSI rating will be 8.7psi. After that, you can turn up the boost, but can't go any lower. We're doing this for optimum performance. Ideally, you don't want to run about 30-40% more than the external wastegate's setting. 8.7psi x 1.35 (35%)=11.7psi. You have a nice smooth upgrade curve, and with a larger psi spring (replaces the wastegate's 8.7psi spring, you could effectively run about 18-19psi on the stock kit (not a stock motor though!).

Sweet! So, with the stage 1 kit, the only option we would really need would be a tougher clutch? No other motor mods?

I guess that's one way of looking at it. We're marketing a complete package, not just a bolt in FI kit. It'll give you everything you need, using the best components. There's always upgrades of the same stuff you have, but this turbo is built specifically for our engine, at the boost level we're selling the kit with.

A clutch would definately help, and we can work that into a package for you.

Eagerly anticipating your numbers on your prototype Joe. Keep fighting the good fight hehe.

With brass knuckles!

I'll have another big update next week. This week is more or less making sure turbonetics finishes our turbo.

Well Joe, I just finished reading the entire 95 page thread on 7thgencivic.com that started a year ago when you developed that turbo kit. (took me a while)

I must say, you're an absolute slave to your customers/prospective customers answering every question that came up.

That kind of service and communication is greatly appreciated.

So, are you really having Nexus/Alphawerks create the manifolds this time around? If so, I think that's very cool, they make some great stuff!

i agree. their manifolds are beautiful and top notch.

From what I got from the edited first post they are not using Alphawerks now.

From what I got from the edited first post they are not using Alphawerks now.

ahh, you're right, my bad.

I still agree that Alphawerks manifolds are top notch 100% quality. There's one problem we're having though; getting one. We can't even get a prototype from them for testing yet so I'm worried that using them as a primary vendor for our kits will cause some extreme backorders and delays. That's the exact opposite of what we want. We're trying one other company right now that makes some rediculous race machines so I know they have the knowledge to help us achieve our goals.

Thanks for everyone's interest, as always, I'll do what I can to update people.

Joe, would you recomend either of these kits with an auto and have any kind of longevity, or is turboing an auto @ 8.7psi not intelegent? Seems like an overdone question, but always seems to come up since there arnt any numbers on what the auto will hold.

What stinks is that we wont have an Auto tC to test the kit on until it's sold. I may possbly work out a deal with "English (SL)" to test the tranny out. Im assuming it'll hold 8.7 with a good tranny cooler. But we'll probably play it safe and ship the kits closer to the 6psi range.

BTW - So I don't hog the credit from 7thgen... The owner on 7thgencivic.com is Dezod. I'm as Madwheel on there. But we both contributed to a lot of people's threads and are working together on this one. I was the techie guy on those boards, finding out things that broke and what we could do to fix them.

thnx for the info, Joe

No prob man. BTW guys I got a shipment from Greddy today, I'll load up a couple pics later, nothing crazy at all, but proof that we're really trying to pull this together.

I know we're getting a lot of support on this and we all greatly appreciate it. I'd consider a large meet possibly in August/Sept somewhere on the the East coast (HUGE meet for every one on the east side of the country). We'll see what happens.

are you going to use the emanage ultimate?

http://www.trust-power.com/02greddy/images/ema_ultimate.jpg

please post your findings about your kit installed in an auto tC ASAP.

I'm planning on snagging a new tC in the next few weeks, and I'm very interested. Keep us posted!

I've been contemplating the Emanage ultimate for the Stage 2. It's completely useless for Stage 1, because people are buying those kits without wanting to have the ultimate. The kits will be tuned anyway, so there's no need to use the auto A/F tune option it has, and I'm pretty scared of the rev limiter feature. More or less, I don't think people want to spend an extra 300 bucks on their kit to say they have a better management system, but without taking advantage of it.

We'll see what happens with stage 2 and how extreme we get, it may just be an upgrade.

We'll keep people up to date on what we find with the auto issue. Thanks again.

If you can impress everyone with your kit's numbers as much as you have with your customer service you'll be selling a lot of kits. :thumbsup:

Thanks man! I'm definately trying to live up to that reputation. Intercooler will be here in 2 days.

If you can impress everyone with your kit's numbers as much as you have with your customer service you'll be selling a lot of kits.

I'm already sold as long as he does not pull the pre-order and wait for millenium crap on us.

No crap here lol. We may have a special introductory price for the first "x" amount of buyers, but no waiting for 4 months to get things. Once we list the kit for sale, expect it the same month (unless you buy at the very end of the month haha).

NEW UPDATE:
Intercooler is expected to arrive for this Wednesday. Turbonetics just finished our turbo today and is expected to ship out sometime tomorrow. Tial is working on our large order we made to stock up on BOVs and Wastegates.

The kit is coming together well guys and I look forward to the results. I know all of you are being patient with us and we greatly appreciate it.

If anyone else has any comments on concerns, let us know, and we'll do what we can to help you out. Thanks.

Its great that you are keeping everyone so updated. I assume you will keep these kits in stock after the intial rush. I dont want to turbo till my warranty is up.

We plan on having the kits readily available after the initial and expected rush.

Our custom built intercooler showed up today. So with that, I took a pic of it, along with a couple of some of the Greddy stuff.
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I hope that mountain dew isn't the exhaust!! :nails:

If it is, can we at least upgrade it to a Sierra Mist? :pray:

I hope that mountain dew isn't the exhaust!!

That might be the piston upgrade :rofl:

I hope that mountain dew isn't the exhaust!! :nails:

If it is, can we at least upgrade it to a Sierra Mist? :pray:
I think he put it there to show how thick the intercooler is. It is beefy :clap:

yumm, looking good man!

After the first kit is designed and tested, will Dezod start working on the stage 2 kit or will the stage 1 kit be available after it is tested?

Or.. maybe both are being made at once?

I knew you guys would like the Mountain Dew can. Munch is right, it was to show how thick it is. It's a perfect fit for OEM or Kaminari bumper if you want the best performance with minimal lag.

Sierra Mist is a wise choice, good stuff lol. The Stage 2 kit will not be started until we have the stage 1 completed with testing and the sales are available. We want people to get boosted as soon as possible. Stage 2 will come later.

Thanks guys!

It's nice to see that your lowest kit includes an Intercooler, where as some of the other kits only include them with the stepped up kits. I Only want a little boost (250 hp or so :wink:) but wouldnt' even think of boosting without an IC in this Vegas heat!

From what I got from the edited first post they are not using Alphawerks now.

You wouldn't be that same weird Malina from AZSR now would you? :loser:

looking good

Sierra Mist is a wise choice, good stuff lol.
Yeah. I figured that or Nestea to help with the cooling of the intake gasses and the engine overall... you know.. "cool to the core".

I'll let it go now. :relief:

We can actually get cooling mist systems to spray water on intercoolers to eliminate heat soak. It's the same principle Evo's and STis have/had. I don't think it'll come with the kit though, it'll bring up the price even more.

Maybe have it as a seperate part on order? I could probably use one of those with Miami's heat.

Oh that could most likely work out. If you see how I site is structured, you choose an item, then have a list of drop-down menus for upgrades or applications. I could just add a tab for that in. Thanks.

woah.. pictures?
that's not somethin you see with the progress of most tC kits..



..go figure :no:

intercooler sprayers are easy breesy. personally i'm relocating my battery to the trunk (red top) so i could put a big reservior right there :)

intercooler sprayers are easy breesy. personally i'm relocating my battery to the trunk (red top) so i could put a big reservior right there :)
Clever..... I wish I was that clever. :tap: lol

I'd be too scared to do anything myself. I feel like if I unscrew a screw the car will come alive and beat me up. :nails:

if your car is put together by screws, it just may LOL

woah.. pictures?
that's not somethin you see with the progress of most tC kits..



..go figure :no:

We're not most companies.

intercooler sprayers are easy breesy. personally i'm relocating my battery to the trunk (red top) so i could put a big reservior right there :)
Clever..... I wish I was that clever. :tap: lol

I'd be too scared to do anything myself. I feel like if I unscrew a screw the car will come alive and beat me up. :nails:


dude that made me laugh out of no where, people were looking at me at my desk. hahaha.

Update 7/07/05!!
-Tial has finished our large order of wastegates and bovs so we now have multiple ones of each in stock.
-Turbonetics finished the custom built turbo and shipped it out, it arrives Saturday.
-Flanges for turbo manifold are complete. They are CNC machined cast iron, ceramic coated flanges. Good stuff.

That's about it for the short update for now. I'm not sure how many pics I'll post of any of the stuff yet. We need to keep a lot of the special stuff quiet until it's ready to sell. I know you all understand. Thanks.

Looking good joe :) keep it up

so what's left to get?

so what's left to get?

We have an order of a special hose that has yet to arrive. Once the hardware shows up this weekend we can get in touch with previous contacts we have here on Scion Life to have a donor tC it Atlanta, GA dropped off for the charge pipes. Once that's done it should be ready to bolt up and go, after some testing of course.

I think I'll go ahead and say what's on everybody's minds....

Huzzah!

You know you all thought it... :lalala:

I think I'll go ahead and say what's on everybody's minds....

Huzzah!

You know you all thought it... :lalala:

lol.. couldnt-a said it better myself.

Here's a dumb update lol... Upon working on the custom trunk, we need to get the rear bumper repainted (damn fiberglass hairs). That and the hood go out on Saturday. Expect new pics on the 17th of our progress.

You been working on the mapping and electronics at all?

You been working on the mapping and electronics at all?

The electronics have been played with so far but nothing concrete. The setup isn't even functional yet so everything has been done with NA. I'm trying to find which rotary settings work best and what correction tables to use. Also need to choose the bext injector size for our app.

As time progresses, you can bet we'll have the mapping taken care of. Thanks.

Easier to post pix of turbo parts now that 2 companies+ have had their turbos posted...it was so hush hush then. BUTTTTTT still takes alot of effort to post pix and updates!! :relief:

Lookin GOOD! nice TURBOz partz! can't wait for numbers and looky!

I'm tempted to upload our latest progress. Our "bling" turbo is complete and sitting next to the car, as with the new wastegate and other various things we got.

w00t!

As long as you still have the Sierra Mist secondary IC then post away! :silly:

Bump...

Update 7/11/05!!
I'm leaving now to take our Turbo and Wastegate to our manifold shop to get the manifold finished up. Our turbo is GORGEOUS!!! It's definately a show piece turbo. Using a polished compressor housing with an anodized gold center section. The tab for our intercooler is being welded over the next hour or two and I'll take a picture of the IC mounted on the car. We're getting closer to finishing this project and will be contacting our GA people soon.

joe.. you've got to be the most honest businessman i've seen in a while now.


its a shame i jumpd the gun w/that "other" turbo company =\
i'd love to give you guys some business.

any plans for work on >03 altima 3.5se? :D

joe.. you've got to be the most honest businessman i've seen in a while now.
And that's why he's gonna bank off of this kit. :clap:

Granted that we still have the numbers to consider, but as of now I'm going with this kit. The service and honesty is unbeatable. And it seems like the kit will be a quality product.

I wonder who is gonna be the first to bash the kit or Dezod? You know someone will...

Bump...

Update 7/11/05!!
I'm leaving now to take our Turbo and Wastegate to our manifold shop to get the manifold finished up. Our turbo is GORGEOUS!!! It's definately a show piece turbo. Using a polished compressor housing with an anodized gold center section. The tab for our intercooler is being welded over the next hour or two and I'll take a picture of the IC mounted on the car. We're getting closer to finishing this project and will be contacting matty-tC soon.


fixed :)

You know man, I actually looked back at my post to see if it was really changed haha... Sure I'll give you a holla when this thing is done. I also plan on a "teaser" DVD for the pre-order people when the kit is first ready to go. It'll show the parts, the car in action, on street and off, and some other things.

You know man, I actually looked back at my post to see if it was really changed haha... Sure I'll give you a holla when this thing is done. I also plan on a "teaser" DVD for the pre-order people when the kit is first ready to go. It'll show the parts, the car in action, on street and off, and some other things.

When is your est ship time frame still Aug?

Well... For the ETA on availability, I expect mid to late August. It all comes down to testing and how well the kit breaks in to our standards. As for the ship time... We need $1k deposits for pre-orders. The money get sent to Turbonetics, because the build our turbos SPECIFICALLY for us for use with our stage 1 kit. It takes about 1-2 weeks for the turbo to arrive. As that's happening, we will order in the pipes and other misc parts we may not have in stock. Once the turbo arrives we'll assemble it and ship it out to your door. So all in all, I'm expecting a 3 week turnaround assuming Turbonetics stays on top of things. If our sales volume is large enough, we'll start ordering extra custom built turbos and intercoolers, so we'll have the kits ready to ship almost instantly.

All buyers will have their own account with us and be notified of any changes or updates to status on their kit.

Well... For the ETA on availability, I expect mid to late August. It all comes down to testing and how well the kit breaks in to our standards. As for the ship time... We need $1k deposits for pre-orders. The money get sent to Turbonetics, because the build our turbos SPECIFICALLY for us for use with our stage 1 kit. It takes about 1-2 weeks for the turbo to arrive. As that's happening, we will order in the pipes and other misc parts we may not have in stock. Once the turbo arrives we'll assemble it and ship it out to your door. So all in all, I'm expecting a 3 week turnaround assuming Turbonetics stays on top of things. If our sales volume is large enough, we'll start ordering extra custom built turbos and intercoolers, so we'll have the kits ready to ship almost instantly.

All buyers will have their own account with us and be notified of any changes or updates to status on their kit.

i'm burning w/jealousy :bow:

I'll probably have pics of the IC mounted either tomorrow or the day after. I have 2 shows this weekend and have been spending a lot of time on custom ICE work and prettying it up. Molded box with JL Subs and amp, pioneer coaxials (mathes IIP perfectly), Alpine 2 channel for the coaxials (hidden), PS2, touch screen DVD with wireless Logitech controllers.

Yeah I think I took the ICE a little to far this time, but hopefully I get another trophy because of it haha. Back on topic... I had no time over the last 2 days to weld some stuff (leaving it vague on purpose) to the intercooler. It should be done tomorrow though. Stay tuned!

Update 7/13/05!!
New stuff now open to public... Our intercooler will be pictured on this thread sometime tomorrow showing how it's installed. This is to give our customers a piece of mind knowing how simple it is to attach to the car. A new promotion will be in effect once we open our pre-orders... Any pre-order on the kit ($1k deposit) will get a teaser/welcome kit in the mail, as well as a free Autometer boost gauge. If you choose not to take the boost gauge, we'll hook you up with a $50 coupon code, allowing you to take $50 off anything on the www.dezod.com store front. If you want something you don't see on the site and would like us to special order it, the $50 discount is still valid and will be accepted. Thanks for everyone's interest. We're now getting phone calls and messages every day asking about stuff for the kit, which is great. If there's something you'd like to know, and it's within reason, by all means post here. If you would like it to remain prive don't hesitate to email, call, or PM me. Only reason I ask to be posted on this thread first is so other members may learn the same information. Thanks again for everyone's support.

Can I be a customer? lol

Anyone can be a customer!

I think I'm posting a pic of IC mounted, AND the turbo tomorrow. I will not be releasing specs on the compressor or exhaust wheel, nor trim. We wish to keep those numbers private, I'm sure you all understand.

We plan on using an FMIC on both kits. The Stage 2 may utilize a better intercooler, but the stage 1 intercooler supports about 400hp with minimal turbo lag.

We are using an intercooler that takes advantage of the bumpers, both the Kaminari and the stock. It will be a lower profile, basically just wide but low. I don't want to release too much yet but it will utilize the factory cooling areas without adding so much of a core where turbo lag is probable.

An upgrade could be a SLIGHTly larger core, maybe a couple inches, but with larger end tanks for a larger pipe diameter.

We are even experimenting with different pipe sizes to see how the velocity, lag, and cooling efficiency changes.

Been in the garage all morning figuring out some stuff. Thanks for the compliment on the body kit.

BTW - Here's the Dezod tC, that we're currently boosting...
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/8/web/704000-704999/704420_94_full.jpg
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/8/web/704000-704999/704420_95_full.jpg
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http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/8/web/704000-704999/704420_98_full.jpg
Hey dezod!! Is that MadWheel's tC!?

Yes it is. I'm madwheel from 7thgen. I work with Dezod now.

Anyone can be a customer!

I think I'm posting a pic of IC mounted, AND the turbo tomorrow. I will not be releasing specs on the compressor or exhaust wheel, nor trim. We wish to keep those numbers private, I'm sure you all understand.

I wouldn't mind seeing a pic of the turbo.. sounds beautiful. Will you be posting pictures of the manifold once it's complete?

Manifold pics will not be released until August. We'd like to keep that part somewhat secret.

Expect turbo pics LATE tonight. I just installed a repainted bumper and hood, and the audio system is complete. Got the IC welded today and it will be installed around 11pm EST.

Stay tuned for more.

can you post the link for your cardomain page? I'd like to see more pics of the tC your boosting. Can't wait to see the turbo today!

wow, i may just have to drive up to NH sometime in august. what do you guys charge for install on the kits? or should i take it to turbo trix or something?

Nice looking car. How much is the drop on that? And those rims are 18"?

I can do the install at my house. I have a 3 stall heated gargage so no matter when you buy we can do it. The install will be fairly easy believe it or not.

It's a 1.4" H&R drop, with 18x8" HP Evo wheels, 38mm offset. I sell the springs here: http://www.dezod.com/pd_hr_sport_springsscion.cfm.

I'm about to head down to install the IC. I'll be back soon with pics.

Car Domain site is out of date. The interior looks slightly different, I have a new trunk setup, and there's some other misc stuff not pictured yet. I'll be updating it next week. Here's a link in case... http://www.cardomain.com/ride/704420/1

Update 7-15-05!!
This is what everyone's been waiting for. You can now see what the turbo and IC look like. I figured I hyped it up enough to show a little of what I'm talking about to back it up. The turbo pics were taken on some black felt I had left from the custom system.
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- The turbo is polished with a gold anodized center. I'm chosing not to show all the angles because of certain specs stamped on the housings. The IC pic is the only one for now, expect more once I can get the car out of the garage and back on the road.

Here's a quick shot of the custom audio system I just finished (This explains my delay on the IC mounting). I have 2 shows this weekend and wanted to do something a little extra...)
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/8/web/704000-704999/704420_142_full.jpg

are you going to HIN in AC this year? i would love to see your car there

Sweet 8)

looks sick man. can't wait to see the finished setup :)

Quick question... I know you don't want to show manifold pics but are you going with a log style or with an equal length? Just curious :)

looking good...being able to do the install in nh is going to be a plus for dezod. the other installers are too far away for new england/east coast peeps...cant wait to hear more

Yeah, same here. Although I go to school in Philly and after talking to this guy in person, I would go up there and get this thing done.

Quick question: If I make the pre-order deposit, how long do I have to come up with the rest of the money? or can I just give you my monetary commitment and wait til the spring to shell out the rest of the cash?

Wow i didn't look at this forum until just now and i read like every post on here.. definately grabbed my attention and this kit looks like good high quality stuff. Its just so hard now that companies are really now starting to come out with turbo kits and im not sure what to choose!!! Although i wish i were sponsored :tap: (ANY NEW COMPANIES MAKING TURBO KITS LOOKING FOR TEST TC IM UR MAN!!!) Of course like everyone else but oh well. Props to Dezod for this good looking product and very informative to all your soon to be if not already customers :P

-Dan

Wow i didn't look at this forum until just now and i read like every post on here.. definately grabbed my attention and this kit looks like good high quality stuff. Its just so hard now that companies are really now starting to come out with turbo kits and im not sure what to choose!!! Although i wish i were sponsored :tap: (ANY NEW COMPANIES MAKING TURBO KITS LOOKING FOR TEST TC IM UR MAN!!!) Of course like everyone else but oh well. Props to Dezod for this good looking product and very informative to all your soon to be if not already customers :P

-Dan

you are the man :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Joe,

I don't know how your experiences with random tech have been on this platfrom, but I can tell you they have disappointed me in the past.

For example, my previous car was a modded grand prix GTP and I experienced the joys of BOTH 1st and 2nd gen downpipes from R/T. BOTH pipes were a complete disaster in terms of fit/function.

The first generation had a flex pipe that they would leak after just a few hundred miles, had it been the woven style it might have stood a chance. This pipe also provided folks with larger swaybars some grief; most had to 'flip' their bar, and it would STILL hit the downpipe going into driveways or when making slow sharp turns, as well as during some crisp WOT shifts(the sad part about this is the engine knock sensors picked this up occasionally and would register as false knock, but still pulled timing). The increase in pipe diameter (+1/2" over stock) without changing the pipe geometry caused this problem.

What kills me is the second generation. The flex was such a nuisance to them that they decided to completely eliminate it. I guess the thinking there was that a transverse mount motor wouldn't flex much (hmm think about it, rev your motor and see how it moves :eyebrow: ) The stiffness of the pipe also mad it a nightmare to seal at the manifolds. They eventually cam up with a halfa$$ fix of using a dount gasket and spring studs, which helped a little, but still made for a 'bouncy' exhaust. Not to mention the suspension clearance had not been resolved yet

The pipes sure were pretty though, (good material/ finish) even after several thousand miles if that is any consequence.

If they are your ONLY option I understand, but it might be worth at least considering another source.

There's my rant of the day...take it as you will.

looks good I was going to go with ZPI but it looks like I may be going with yours.
What shows you going to be at exposed HIN AC?

Joe-
My compliments yet again, the turbo's lookin' beautiful and those JLs in the back just make me wanna cry. Keep up the good work buddy.

Tony

Look, an IC that fits! What was ZPI thinking with the tubes hanging outside the bumper?

Joe,

I don't know how your experiences with random tech have been on this platfrom, but I can tell you they have disappointed me in the past.

For example, my previous car was a modded grand prix GTP and I experienced the joys of BOTH 1st and 2nd gen downpipes from R/T. BOTH pipes were a complete disaster in terms of fit/function.

The first generation had a flex pipe that they would leak after just a few hundred miles, had it been the woven style it might have stood a chance. This pipe also provided folks with larger swaybars some grief; most had to 'flip' their bar, and it would STILL hit the downpipe going into driveways or when making slow sharp turns, as well as during some crisp WOT shifts(the sad part about this is the engine knock sensors picked this up occasionally and would register as false knock, but still pulled timing). The increase in pipe diameter (+1/2" over stock) without changing the pipe geometry caused this problem.

What kills me is the second generation. The flex was such a nuisance to them that they decided to completely eliminate it. I guess the thinking there was that a transverse mount motor wouldn't flex much (hmm think about it, rev your motor and see how it moves :eyebrow: ) The stiffness of the pipe also mad it a nightmare to seal at the manifolds. They eventually cam up with a halfa$$ fix of using a dount gasket and spring studs, which helped a little, but still made for a 'bouncy' exhaust. Not to mention the suspension clearance had not been resolved yet

The pipes sure were pretty though, (good material/ finish) even after several thousand miles if that is any consequence.

If they are your ONLY option I understand, but it might be worth at least considering another source.

There's my rant of the day...take it as you will.

Well... To help solve this... I don't remember seeing a stock flexpipe on our tCs so I don't think having one is really necessary. We are also taking the kit Random Tech is making us and trying it on my tC first. So if there's fitment issues, then we won't be selling the kits until it's perfect. Random Tech has been #1 for 2001+ Honda Civics in terms of exhaust upgrades. Not once did I ever hear or see a complaint.

Look, an IC that fits! What was ZPI thinking with the tubes hanging outside the bumper?

Because I do not want to mislead or knock ZPI, the intercooler isn't 100% complete yet. Sure we've mounted and fitted the bumper (no mods needed) but we haven't attempted the charge pipes yet because we are still waiting on the manifold. If you see the stock setup behind the bumper you'll see why the pipe sticks out on the passenger sife. The frame is right up to the bumper, so some trimming is necessary no mater what. If you want it to look cleaner, simply take that charge pipe to your local paint shop and have them match the color of your stock paint, so nothing sticks out. I'll load up pics one we've run the pipes, on both of my bumpers (stock and Kaminari).

BTW - Thanks Tony!

Update 7-21-05!!
ACT has given us the parts numbers we requested to sell the new ACT clutch systems for the tC. We now sell matching clutch sets to go with our turbo kits. Please follow this link if you want your clutch today: http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=74102. We will be offering them with our turbo kits at a discount if they're purchased at the same time of the kit. The street setup is what we're promoting because the pucks are just a little to harsh for daily driving. Another new update, we are now proud to announce that by the time our kits are ready for shipment, we will offer a full plug and play system for the emanage. Not only will it come with a pre-tuned application disc to get your car on the road, but it will come with a full harness replacement that connects to your stock ECU and directly to the emanage, no wire splicing necessary. This is by far the fastest, cheapest, and most reliable way to get your tC connected up to a fully programmable engine management system Expect more updates soon as we are working night and day on getting the most out of our turbo kits to give you the looks, reliability, and performance that everyone wants. Thanks again.

glad to see the emanage setup worked out for you :)

Dezod,
My opinion on the situation is this: I am currently saving up money to turbo my car next spring because I am on summer break from school right now so you can imagine how hard it is to save up this 3k. But with all of these kits coming out at once, im at a loss on which one to give my money to. Im sure im not alone in saying, that I want to buy the kit that I will get the most out of, with performance and reliability. Now ZPI is offering 230-250 whp for $3000, so naturally that sounds wonderul to me, but if you people came out with a more powerful kit for the same price, then bam you're in. So I hope that possibly you can offer well over 250 whp for 3k, then you'll have my business, as well as im sure many more customers, cause around all the trash talk and rumors, dyno numbers and 1/4 times dont lie. So surprise me dezod!

I agree with ^ but i would pay 3k+ for a kit with less gains if i know its built right and wont make me blow my engine after all you get what you pay for and when you go for whats cheaper you sometimes end up paying more in the end when you need a new engine. Just my 2 cents. I look foward to buying this kit keep up the good work

personally if the Dezod kit put down 230-240whp I would be happy enough as that would be plenty power for me, as long as it's quick to spool with minimal lag I wouldn't mind if it didn't produce tons of power.

i agree. I didn't emphasize enough the importance of making it every bit reliable as it is powerful. I guess my point was that, if you want to get the best results in the market, i'd say go above and beyond your competitors. but that's kind of obvious, i just posted that because I thought it might help dezod in the R&D. goodluck, and if the price is right, and the power and reliability is there, ill be talking to you people in march.

what you need to look for in a turbo kit is

#1 - good design.

from a turbo standpoint you want one small enough to spool quickly and large enough to be efficient and give a cooler intake charge compared to a choked small turbo. also look into the flow design of the intercooler and the intake piping.

#2 quality of supporting components

emanage rocks. tial rocks. turbonetics obviously rocks.

#3 support

having the company go overboard with instructions and helping people get their car boosted is a great thing. it doesn't happen too often.


there are other things such as warranty and power gains but these are the most critical cost determining factors when it comes to a turbo kit.

Dezod has my vote even without seeing the gains on it. I trust that the quality is top notch on the Dezod kit and the addition of amazing customer service plus upgradability is enough to make me buy the kit even if it made slightly less numbers.

also remember, peak numbers are useless (like a 1000 hp supra).. a broad powerband is what you're looking for.



ok i'll shut up now LOL

You guys rock. Thanks for the support. I actually have pics of the manifold but we don't want to release them until at least next week. Wait until you see how insanely smooth it came out. Almost zero welds on the runners, all stainless, and the piping is just gorgeous to look at. Expect to see the turbo actually mounted in the car sometime soon (next 2 weeks or so).

As for numbers, it's hard to say what it will produce. We're hoping to achieve 270WHP with our exhaust upgrade on just the stage 1 so we'll see what happens. Regardless of the numbers, expect one of the most reliable kits on the maket, because we won't release it until it's at that point.

I would be willing to sacrifice a little power for a complete kit includking exhaust pipes, clutch and an intercooler. I hate the fact that the other stage 0 and 1 kits do not include an intercooler because it is damn hot in Vegas! I really like the completeness that your kit appers to be coming to.

The clutch and exhaust will not come standard because some people already have those mods or choose to not use them, but they will be offered as a "package price" for those who'd like to add it in when they buy the turbo kit.

The plug and play system is really what makes me happy with this kit. Now most people can install this kit with some simple elbow grease and a few tools. A TRUE bolt-on/plug-n-play 250whp kit? I think so!

**Disclaimer** - The 250whp remark made above is only an approximation, expect a minimum of 235whp, and a max of about 300whp on the stage 1 system, at a mere 8.7psi.

Yeah, that's what I meant. I'm willing to pay a little more to get a complete kit. I'm ordering my Injen exhaust tonight, so your absolutley right about that. It does include the Intercooler though, righht? That's most importiant to me.

The intercooler is standard, it will come with any kit you buy from us, regardless of the stage.

The stage 2 will just have a larger intercooler, for higher HP capabilities. We are keeping the stage 1 small to allow for great radiator efficiency, lower lag, and less pressure drop.

You guys rock. Thanks for the support. I actually have pics of the manifold but we don't want to release them until at least next week. Wait until you see how insanely smooth it came out. Almost zero welds on the runners, all stainless, and the piping is just gorgeous to look at. Expect to see the turbo actually mounted in the car sometime soon (next 2 weeks or so).

As for numbers, it's hard to say what it will produce. We're hoping to achieve 270WHP with our exhaust upgrade on just the stage 1 so we'll see what happens. Regardless of the numbers, expect one of the most reliable kits on the maket, because we won't release it until it's at that point.

I bet this manifold is sexy as hell! :)

I think you know more than anyone else lol. But yeah, I agree.

please tell me that the stage 1 kit you speak of is gonna be available for around 3k!!! please!!! :nails: :pray:

That's pretty sick. I hope your kit makes the numbers you want to get it up to. An upgradable stage1 kit making around 250+/- hp would be right where I want to be.

You guys rock. Thanks for the support. I actually have pics of the manifold but we don't want to release them until at least next week. Wait until you see how insanely smooth it came out. Almost zero welds on the runners, all stainless, and the piping is just gorgeous to look at.

Tease :P

A turbo that looks as good as it performs :bow:

sweet your kit sounds very promising

While it doesn't have to be CARB legal, I'll be happy if it passes SMOG.

Everyone is doing turbo's. I'll be holding onto my money until the smoke clears from all the tire smoke and boost going on. Can't wait till people are actually in mass production mode.

Everyone is doing turbo's. I'll be holding onto my money until the smoke clears from all the tire smoke and boost going on. Can't wait till people are actually in mass production mode.

Yeah, the smoke is not from tires - don't kid yourself - nobody's doing turbos. 8)

Everyone is doing turbo's. I'll be holding onto my money until the smoke clears from all the tire smoke and boost going on. Can't wait till people are actually in mass production mode.

Yeah, the smoke is not from tires - don't kid yourself - nobody's doing turbos. 8)


I was speaking in terms of the compaines, ZPI, Dezod, etc...

Hey Joe,

Before you get to far into the project. I would recommend a dual temp guage for pre and post inner cooler temps. You will have to tap the pipe to get the sensor in there, but it will allow you to do a few things. One tuning will show up on the sensor a bit, and two you will know when your IC needs to be larger, flow more, or simply just be cooled with the aid of a mister. You may be surprised that your current IC will be good enough with a mister for a stage two. If not, because of flow, then you can go larger.

The down side to misters is that some tracks (road racing, not drag) won't let you on because you may put down a small amount of water.

Laterz.

Hey Joe,

Before you get to far into the project. I would recommend a dual temp guage for pre and post inner cooler temps. You will have to tap the pipe to get the sensor in there, but it will allow you to do a few things. One tuning will show up on the sensor a bit, and two you will know when your IC needs to be larger, flow more, or simply just be cooled with the aid of a mister. You may be surprised that your current IC will be good enough with a mister for a stage two. If not, because of flow, then you can go larger.

The down side to misters is that some tracks (road racing, not drag) won't let you on because you may put down a small amount of water.

Laterz.

Though I agree on using temp gauges to monitor temp changes and efficiency of the intercooler I think we'll be avoiding these tests. We've done enough homework and had the intercooler BUILT from scratch just for our setup. The custom sized end tanks, fin design, dimensions, and core size all play a role on our setup. It's efficient enough for up to around 300whp without any problems. Sure a mister will help, but that's more money, maintenance, and not allowed (as you said) on certain tracks, including the dragways.

The stage 2 will consist of a larger intercooler simply because of the large amounts of CFM and boost levels. We'll be running double digit boost and with a larger turbo, capable of a near 500whp setup. The current intercooler just isn't enough to flow what we need for the stage 2. The only thing the same in the stage 2 is the wastegate and BOV.

please tell me that the stage 1 kit you speak of is gonna be available for around 3k!!! please!!! :nails: :pray:

I'm shooting for $3k but the parts alone cost us more than that, so it all depends on how much we save if we start buying a lot at a time. It'll probably be between $3000 and $3500. Time will tell and I'll keep all of you posted as always.

Quick Update: Ran into some minor probs with the current manifold, expect more news next week with a new design. We want something that looks good, but performs better. Clearance is an issue, we just want everything to look like it's meant to be there. Patience will pay off.

We want something that looks good, but performs better. Clearance is an issue, we just want everything to look like it's meant to be there. Patience will pay off.

Indeed.

for your stage 1 kits, how much psi are you running. ZPI says they can get 300whp for 10psi. Just wondering how much for yours.

8.7psi

Small and quick update for those getting ready for our kit. We spoke with ACT again today and they finished the clutches and are ready to ship. Our prices still stand, check it out in the sales section. We are one of the few companies already stocking these. ACT is certified for some specific race use so buy yours today and know you can take it to any track you wish. Have fun!

are they puck based clutches?

thanks for keeping us poor joe's in mind. ill be keeping up to date with your progress pretty much daily cause lets face it, what's better to think about at work every day than f/i'd tC?? not a whole lot

are they puck based clutches?

The street setup we're selling for the $399 is not a puck base. It's a real disc with a very smooth engagement, and still holds 340wheel torque. The puck systems are meant for +450whp applications. We sell those too.

my friend just put a 6 puck on his focus....i would stay away from them.

are they puck based clutches?

The street setup we're selling for the $399 is not a puck base. It's a real disc with a very smooth engagement, and still holds 340wheel torque. The puck systems are meant for +450whp applications. We sell those too.

Ahh

I'd highly recommend against the puck based clutches. my previous car had one and it destroyed my leg/ankle (admitted, my leg/ankle has had 4 surgeries and lots of other crap) to the point of having to add a knee brace to my already existing ankle brace.... and I drive a miata/explorer that also have upgraded clutches and never have a problem. Other than that I have a friend with a turbo 3rd gen eclipse (right at 300whp) who is bending axles and breaking stuff because of his puck based clutch.

With the disc based clutch setup holding 340whp, i would very much recommend against the puck.

Then again, if you want to build up your left leg then pucks are for you! :lalala:

build up or break (in my case :( )

Joe what diameter intercooler piping you running? and will it be polished

Yeah you'd want to stay away from those pucks or get real friendly with your local police officer... cuz you'll be chirping first a lot. ACT street clutches have a really sexy engagement, and hold like mad. They're exactly what you'd need really.

-Tide

Joe what diameter intercooler piping you running? and will it be polished

I'm choosing to not release all the specs on the intercooler until we're closer to completion. It supports a little over 300whp on an intercooler small enough to allow your radiator to breath, and with minimal lag or pressure drop.

Yeah you'd want to stay away from those pucks or get real friendly with your local police officer... cuz you'll be chirping first a lot. ACT street clutches have a really sexy engagement, and hold like mad. They're exactly what you'd need really.

-Tide

On that note, and I'll be adding this to the sponsored sales section as well... We're already stocking the Street clutches (341wheel tq capacity). They'll be shipping out first thing next week. We have the first batch.

Joe what diameter intercooler piping you running? and will it be polished

I'm choosing to not release all the specs on the intercooler until we're closer to completion. It supports a little over 300whp on an intercooler small enough to allow your radiator to breath, and with minimal lag or pressure drop.

U cant tell me what size the intercooler piping is? I didnt ask about the intercooler just the piping.

he just said he's not releasing all the specs :wink:

It's a staggered setup because we're trying a high velocity setup vs just a larger free flowing pipe. Both pipes are over 2", we'll leave it at that. When I get everything mounted and we're in the testing phase, I'll throw the real specs on the web. Thanks.

Any new info/decision on the manifold design?

As of right now we're going back to a log manifold for the Stage 1. We were going to use a tubular based setup for the stage 1, but a lot of people have PM'd me about price concerns and I don't want to blow the bank on the stage 1. It will still perform very well because of the higher quality collector, but save a lot of money. The flanges from the CNC shop were supposed to be done last week but we still don't have them, the company is the only thing holding us from finishing development, and the final stage of getting random tech to finish our charge pipes.

thats probably a good idea to keep costs of the stage 1 kit down. then offer an upgrade to the tubular manifold if individuals want. assuming you are making a stage 1 with a tubular manifold so you will have them around anyway.

Think there will be a possibility for a tubluar manifold or maybe even an alphawerks manifold upgrade for stage1?

We'll offer our tubular manifold for the stage 1 later. As of right now, the Alphawerks one won't be used. We had an order with them, but after some discussion they said the manifold doesn't fit right and they don't want to release one until they redesign it. So I think using our own will be safer.

*bump*

Been away for a while so I haven't been keeping up. But everything still looks great. :thumbsup:

Thanks. As a quick update seeing how it wasn't worth bumping before...

My tC placed 1st overall for the 3rd show in a row, and it's not even turbo'd yet. I wont best in show, and 2 best Scion trophies.

We got one manifold back, but it was for a different engine we were working on. The tC one will definately be done this week.

sick

great job man

cant wait to see this kit all mounted up. are you using an adapter for the oil return like zpi or will you be having people weld bungs to the oil pan?

cant wait to see this kit all mounted up. are you using an adapter for the oil return like zpi or will you be having people weld bungs to the oil pan?

zpi is no longer going with an adapter plate..they are sending out oilpans with the flange already welded in

Thanks. As a quick update seeing how it wasn't worth bumping before...

My tC placed 1st overall for the 3rd show in a row, and it's not even turbo'd yet. I wont best in show, and 2 best Scion trophies.

We got one manifold back, but it was for a different engine we were working on. The tC one will definately be done this week.

Awesome man! Congrats!

We're supplying you with everything you need to properly tap the oil pan, along with great directions on just the oil return itself. It's a unique system, but doesn't require welding. There's no plate, just a really smart fitting that will not leak, and save both of us money.

saving money!! i love it. waiting anxiously daily for new pics of the progress...keep at it dezod!

So, how difficult will this kit be for an average guy whose only done suspension work to install in his own garage?
You said no welding, but is that for the whole kit? What about drilling or cutting? Will it be neccessary to get it installed at a shop?

What about the downpipe? Will it be included and does it bend around things alot or is it relativly straight?

downpipe is a major part of a turbo kit. why would that NOT be included? LOL

For all the Q's about installing... So far, (and most of it is done), there is only 3 holes to be drilled. It's pretty easy to do so. For everything else, so far everything is bolt on and all hardware needed is supplied. With the directions we give you, it should be easy enough to read first, then determine if you can install it.

I'll upload a pic in a minute showing how nice the new flanges came out. This'll show you that we want EVERY component to be PERECT or we won't sell it with the kit. Basically, no "jagged" or "cornered" edges. Everything is smooth and seemless. The exhaust flange is also port matched to avoid any extra turbulance cause by some under-engineered manifolds. NOTE* - I am not saying ZPI or SS do not port match their manifolds to perfectly match the head, just saying that we made sure it was flawless.

Here's one of the flanges. Expect a finished pic of the manifold on Thursday.

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/8/web/704000-704999/704420_143_full.jpg

Here's one of the flanges. Expect a finished pic of the manifold on Thursday.

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/8/web/704000-704999/704420_143_full.jpg

Pic doesn't work =(

works for me

are the manifolds all that you are waiting for before releasing the kit?

after the manifold, we need to finish the charge pipes, then we're good to go.

^^Hurry up and finish it already, my shirt is already wet from drooling.

downpipe is a major part of a turbo kit. why would that NOT be included? LOL

im sorry. Care to not comment next time?

downpipe is a major part of a turbo kit. why would that NOT be included? LOL

im sorry. Care to not comment next time?

I'm the only one that has answered your question. I'm not sure why you're being a dick.

I'd just like to say that im impressed and very very happy that your appealing to us who dont drive manual. I have a bad right shoulder so its a little difficult to shift and such. Im in japan right now, and im so ready to get back to Hawaii and drive something other than a Skyline or a 180 (240 in america) keep up the good work and hope it comes out soon!!!

downpipe is a major part of a turbo kit. why would that NOT be included? LOL

im sorry. Care to not comment next time?

I'm the only one that has answered your question. I'm not sure why you're being a dick.

Slammed took it a little to hard, but if he would just pay a visit to Dezod.com (http://www.dezod.com/pd_dezod_motorsports_stage.cfm) you can clearly see that it's listed under the compoments.

Link fixed... Thanks for your help though!

http://www.dezod.com/pd_dezod_motorsports_stage.cfm

im so ready to get back to Hawaii and drive something other than a Skyline or a 180 (240 in america)

Awww, you poor guy, I feel for ya really I do, I mean being forced to drive Skyline's and all.


<--- Shoots violin player playing that sad, sad song. :P

LOL

So true. Nismo parts can't be that bad. :P

im so ready to get back to Hawaii and drive something other than a Skyline or a 180 (240 in america)

Awww, you poor guy, I feel for ya really I do, I mean being forced to drive Skyline's and all.


<--- Shoots violin player playing that sad, sad song. :P
:rofl: :rofl: What a clown... sorry for temporally stealing your thread Joe but that's some funny stuff.

Yeah sorry Joe, couldn't help myself. You're doing awesome stuff here and can't wait to see the finished product and long term results.

so, since there is no fuel upgrades in the stage 1 kit, i guess that the 8.7 psi of boost is the max level that the car can be set to?

so, since there is no fuel upgrades in the stage 1 kit, i guess that the 8.7 psi of boost is the max level that the car can be set to?

I never said they're weren't any fuel upgrades, :).

The kits will ship with higher flowing, Denso grade, injectors.

We will also be supplying everyone with the Greddy Emanage, and a plug-and-play harness kit for it, so no hardwiring is necessary. Just simply unplug the ecu, and plug our new harness in, and the oemn harnesses back into our kit. It's all very easy to install.

Thanks for all the support. I'm off to get back to the manifold, and hopefully it'll be done by tonight, if not, tomorrow.

sorry, i wasn't dogging you, i just read the desc. on your site and there was no mention of fuel compensation, and i was just wondering, because that's why the ZPI stage 0 kit kind of max's out at 6.5 lbs because there is no need for additional fuel(not doggin them either), so i was just checking to see if you guys were on the same path, as to try to get as much power as possible without more fuel. But im all about more fuel for more power, and hopefully your stage 1 kit is too. Now i wait to see your manifold pics. :silly:

Manifold will be finished tomorrow. Some other affairs came into place delaying it. Most of it is done. We need to weld the flange for the turbo and wastegate, and finish some positioning. Pics up tomorrow night.

Update: Plug and play system will definately be available for the tC with or without our kit. Refer to this thread for more info and pricing/buying information:
http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=971696#971696.

It will not be included with our turbo kit, but it will be an option. We want to keep the base price of this kit low enough for those who need/want to save as much as possible. The package price with a purchase of the turbo kit will be an option, but the harness may not be available as soon as the kit, due to the pre-order we're making.

If there are extra harnesses in stock, then they will ship out with the kit, to all those who paid for the upgrade.

Does the EManage allow you to select different levels of boost on the fly? Like with some presets? Or is it not a boost controller?

so, does this mean that you will be running 8 lbs of boost without an emanage or anything of that sort? just stock ecu, with upgraded injectors but no new fuel map of any sort?

so, does this mean that you will be running 8 lbs of boost without an emanage or anything of that sort? just stock ecu, with upgraded injectors but no new fuel map of any sort?

I have the same question. According to your components list it will include the EMS with a base map, but I'm assuming that if we don't buy the harness will have to do our own wiring. What's going on? Are customers getting the EMS without the harness or are customers getting no EMS and no harness.

Ok sorry for the confusion. Regardless, the BASE kit, meaning bare-bones, will still come with an Emanage and upgraded fuel injectors.

The harness is simply an option/upgrade to allow for easier installation of the included emanage. You will have the emanage and upgraded injectors no matter what. We won't sell our kit without those two. The harness is to make life easier for everyone and allow members to go back to stock or eventually a full stand-alone because you aren't actually cutting anything.

Does the EManage allow you to select different levels of boost on the fly? Like with some presets? Or is it not a boost controller?

The emanage is NOT a boost controller. It is simply for ignition and fuel. We can sell you a Profec E-01 which is a digital boost controller with screen. It also programs the emanage and the emanage can use it for the pressure sensor, saving you about $75 or so. The E-01 is costly though, close to $500.

sounds excellent, i cant imagine anyone that wouldn't choose to go with a plug n' play harness over doin the wire work themselves. Sounds good.

Does the EManage allow you to select different levels of boost on the fly? Like with some presets? Or is it not a boost controller?

The emanage is NOT a boost controller. It is simply for ignition and fuel. We can sell you a Profec E-01 which is a digital boost controller with screen. It also programs the emanage and the emanage can use it for the pressure sensor, saving you about $75 or so. The E-01 is costly though, close to $500.

But we can use any boost controller we want right?

But we can use any boost controller we want right?

Yes you can! We sell a lot of MBCs and EBCs so you can do whatever you'd like. The Profec E-01 is nice, but the support tool/laptop setup is much better for tuning.

The combo of choice is the Emanage, support tool (for laptop), and Greddy Profec B SpecII.

Even though I've owned a Blitz EBC on my last car, and loved it, we will not be selling Blitz EBCs with the turbo kit at all. They are made with a switch in the back, to be set for either internal wastegate or external wastegate. Our kit is externally gated, and the Blitz setting is meant for Japanese wastegates. For some reason, the Tial doesn't work well with the Blitz EBC (SBC Spec-S), because it's American. Tial is a great product, and Greddy works remarkably well with them.

For manual boost controllers it won't matter as much. Hope that helps!