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Old Jun 29, 2005 | 12:48 AM
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It has been brought to my attention that the Scions in the states have a 4.31:1 final drive in the transmission, were as my Echo Hatch has a 3.72:1 final drive.
Can anyone verify this, and if they can, where can I get a Scion tranny?
Old Jun 29, 2005 | 12:52 AM
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correct, and your best bet on a scion tranny would be the junk yard.
Old Jun 29, 2005 | 12:58 AM
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both the xA and xB use the 4.31?
Have they started showing up in junkyards yet?
Old Jun 29, 2005 | 12:21 PM
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Your best bet is to check with a used parts dealer who has a nationwide hookup with many others dealers. He will be able to locate one and even arrainge transportation if necessary.

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Old Jun 29, 2005 | 12:33 PM
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I need some odds and ends for my xB that I'd like to get
from a recently junked car. Do you know of any used parts
dealers that can help with the xB?
Old Jun 29, 2005 | 04:01 PM
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i'll have the 4.31 gears up for sale when i get my other gears...
Old Jun 29, 2005 | 04:04 PM
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i verified the gear ratios over the weekend.

and this is for the manual transmission.

scion 4.31
echo 3.52 in the sedan

also for ref.
https://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=39360
Old Jun 29, 2005 | 05:14 PM
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Raven, just check the yellow pages and see who has the biggest ad under the used auto parts. Give them a call. Almost all the reputable dealers who have been in business for a long time can offer this type service.

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Also, I just did a Google search on "Used Auto Parts" and got a gazillion hits on places that have nationwide service. I plugged in an xb radio and got a dozen hits on just the first site listed.

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Cool, thanks for the tip Walt. I've never had to source used
parts for anything "common". It's always been for exotics
that you can only get at specific places.

Thanks!
Old Jun 30, 2005 | 12:08 AM
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bad news guys. I went to my Toyota dealership today to do some parts checking.
My echo hatch diff gear part number is 41221-10181, the same as a CDM 2002 Sedan....
Does this mean I have the 3.52, or the 3.71?
Is their anyway to check with my tire height and dyno chart?
The good news is that the Scion part number is different (41221-12340) so, there is some truth to that statement, but I'm curious about the sedan/hatch now.
You guys are at 4,000 rpm at 130 k?
HOT DAMN thats low gears.
Originally Posted by dgHotLava
i verified the gear ratios over the weekend.
I assumed you counted teeth? Is their anyway to check without taking my tranny apart. I'd love to help you whatever way I can Dave.
Old Jun 30, 2005 | 12:19 AM
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Originally Posted by -KangaRod-
bad news guys. I went to my Toyota dealership today to do some parts checking.
My echo hatch diff gear part number is 41221-10181, the same as a CDM 2002 Sedan....
Does this mean I have the 3.52, or the 3.71?
Is their anyway to check with my tire height and dyno chart?
The good news is that the Scion part number is different (41221-12340) so, there is some truth to that statement, but I'm curious about the sedan/hatch now.
You guys are at 4,000 rpm at 130 k?
HOT DAMN thats low gears.
if you can give me your RPM at 80MPH (130k)
i'll tell you what Final you have....(most likely you have the 3.52 )

what year is your hatch 2004?
i think its the same for both models that year and on...
2000 - 2003 should have the other gears.

and i did count teeth....
Old Jun 30, 2005 | 12:47 AM
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Mine is a 2005. at 130 kph I'm turning just over 3000 rpm on the tach. I am driving on 195/55R15's which are about 2% shorter than stock, which shouldn't make that big of an impact.
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Originally Posted by -KangaRod-
Mine is a 2005. at 130 kph I'm turning just over 3000 rpm on the tach. I am driving on 195/55R15's which are about 2% shorter than stock, which shouldn't make that big of an impact.
with that info...
a 3.52 FD would turm 3522RPM @ 130KPH
a 3.72 FD would turn 3722RPM @ 130KPH

i say you have the 3.52
Old Jun 30, 2005 | 01:37 AM
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500 rpm is pretty inaccurate though. Are the stock gauges that bad?
Old Jun 30, 2005 | 01:47 AM
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xB REFERENCE INFO: (previously posted)
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880 * 4.15 * 0.70 = 2556.4 RPM
(rev per mile) * (final ratio) * (top gear ratio) = (engine RPM at 60MPH)

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Just using the stock tire size, the differential ratio, and the top gear ratios of 
the xB with manual or auto transmission I come out with these figures, plus 
or minus maybe 10 RPM...

AUTOMATIC:

2560 RPM @ 60 MPH
2990 RPM @ 70 MPH

MANUAL:

3070 RPM @ 60 MPH
3580 RPM @ 70 MPH 

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Gear / Ratio     C150 5MT                 U340E 4AT
       1st                3.54:1                         2.84:1
       2nd               1.90:1                         1.55:1
       3rd                1.31:1                         1.00:1
       4th                0.96:1                         0.70:1
       5th                0.81:1                             –
    Reverse           3.25:1                         2.34:1
  Final Drive         4.31:1                         4.15:1 

Stock tire revolutions per mile = ~880 (Varies by tire make, size, wear, etc.)
Old Jun 30, 2005 | 02:33 AM
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Also Check out...http://pressroom.toyota.com/presstxt...5xAxB_tech.pdf
Old Jun 30, 2005 | 03:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Ashe_WCM
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