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Old Sep 7, 2005 | 01:52 AM
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Ok, I have given up on the search engine for this forum IMO it stinks(needs to be changed). Couldn't find anything pertaining to snow tires on a tC. Being that there has only been one winter since it was released I though I might find one thread but turns out I was wrong. Anyway, does anybody run snow tires on their tC? If so what size etc.? I am planning on running a 16inch steel wheel and blizzak WS-50 combo for the winter months. Will a 16inch rim even fit on the tC? If not then is anyone looking to sell their factory wheels? Thank you.
Old Sep 7, 2005 | 02:20 AM
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Old Sep 7, 2005 | 02:24 AM
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If you are dead set on the 16" rim remember to keep the stock tread width and lower the sidewall precentage so that the tire is the same overall height as stock.

Math ahead

The tire number breaks down like this

185/60R-15

185 is the tread width in mm, 60 is the %of tread width the sidewall is tall, R = Radial, 15 is the rim size in inches.

Here is the math. A 185/60R-15 has a 111 mm sidewall. So if you go to a 16 inch rim you need to drop to something about 26mm shorter.

111-26=85 is the new sidewall height. now 85/185=.459
.459X100 =45.9 in theory you need a 185/45.9R-16. Now we all know that tire does not exist so you have to go with a 185/45R-16 83.3mm sidewall if you can even get that in a snow tire.

You would probably be better off buying a stock size rim and tire set for your car. Unless you really think you need the looks in the winter this is the way to go. Trust a good set of snows make all the diffrence. See link.

http://img.groundspeak.com/cache/log...46151acb39.jpg

I drove in and out of that with no problem on studed snows. I will take the loss of preformance for the gain in snow traction. Bonus, those rims and tires should fit my xA this winter!
Old Sep 7, 2005 | 02:27 AM
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Tire rack and that is all I have to say about that.
Old Sep 7, 2005 | 03:10 AM
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simple solution for me... I have all season high performance tires on mine, but it will have to be a DRASTIC emergency if my box ever sees show. Heck, I can count the times it's been in the rain on 1 hand, and 1 of those days was the day I signed and took delivery.

Simple solution, beater cavalier... with the same all season high performance tires.
Old Sep 7, 2005 | 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by bblhed
Here is the math. A 185/60R-15 has a 111 mm sidewall. So if you go to a 16 inch rim you need to drop to something about 26mm shorter.

111-26=85 is the new sidewall height. now 85/185=.459
.459X100 =45.9 in theory you need a 185/45.9R-16.
uh, not quite If you increase the rim diameter, then the rim radius has only increased by half of that. Rather than looking for a 26mm shorter sidewall, look for a 13mm shorter (half an inch).

111 - 13 = 98mm for new sidewall height. 98 / 185 *100 = 53 -> 50-55 sidewall. look for a 185/50r16 or 185/55r16 or 195/50r16 or 175/55r16, etc. etc. etc.
Old Sep 7, 2005 | 02:38 PM
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[quote="bblhed"]

185 is the tread width in mm,


Sorry don't mean to burst your bubble but 185 is the section width of the tire
measured sidewall to sidewall in mm not the tread width in mm


but back on topic -- chose a good quality set of studdless snows -- many choice's
out there -- check out www.tires.com also -- drive safe
Old Sep 7, 2005 | 10:00 PM
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Winter tires come in two categories, the best Winter Snow and Ice traction tire for the worst of Winter conditions at the expense of dry and plowed road handling, and the other is the "High Speed" Winter tires that handle better on dry and plowed roads, however, give up most if not all of their Ice traction, and some of their Snow traction in exchange for the better dry and plowed road handling. So I will need to know in which category will fit your needs the best.

Regarding sizes, we offer 15, 16, and 17" fitments for your vehicle, with the 15" fitments be the recommended fitment for the best "Winter Traction" capability. We offer 15" steel take-offs starting at $32.00 per wheel and Alloys starting at $99.00 per wheel. Tire recommended tires sizes would be 195/60R15 and 205/60R15, with the 195/60R15's being the best for the best "Winter Traction" capability.

All prices quoted are plus shipping, and we do the mounting and balancing at no charge if the tires and wheels are ordered as a package. For more information on the packages we have available, please visit our site at: http://www.tirerack.com/a.jsp?a=DJ1&...nter/index.jsp or for personal service, please feel free to give me a call. If you decide to order on-line, please add my name to the "Previous Contacts" area towards the end of the order and I will be glad to keep an eye on it for you!
Old Sep 8, 2005 | 05:51 PM
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SNOW?!?! is that kinda like the ice cubes i buy from 711??? hahaha im just kidding, doesnt snow at all in the lbc but i can give my suggestions and that would be to get a hold of tire rack

brent
Old Sep 8, 2005 | 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by tCb00b
Ok, I have given up on the search engine for this forum IMO it stinks(needs to be changed). Couldn't find anything pertaining to snow tires on a tC. Being that there has only been one winter since it was released I though I might find one thread but turns out I was wrong. Anyway, does anybody run snow tires on their tC? If so what size etc.? I am planning on running a 16inch steel wheel and blizzak WS-50 combo for the winter months. Will a 16inch rim even fit on the tC? If not then is anyone looking to sell their factory wheels? Thank you.
I just posted a snow tire thread a couple weeks ago myself.

If you want to run a 16" steel rim on the tC, the tire size that comes closest to matching the overall circumference of the stock tires is a 205/50R16.

I was thinking of going down to a 15" rim, since it's better to run snows at a slightly lower pressure, and therefore you want a higher-profile tire to make sure you don't bend the rim hitting a pothole or something. On a 15" rim you'd want a 205/60R15.

And by the way, I'd highly recommend getting Nokian Hakkapeliittas instead of the Blizzaks. Hakkas are great snow tires.

--mark
Old Sep 9, 2005 | 06:08 AM
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According to tires.com the Nokian Hakkapeliitta 2 that the company offers is only off by 1.45%. You should be able to fit these on a stock rim.


Here's the chart:

Stock Tire - 215/45R17
Section Width: 8.46 in 215 mm
Rim Diameter: 17 in 431.8 mm
Rim Width Range: 7 - 8 in
Overall Diameter: 24.61 in 625.09 mm
Sidewall Height: 3.80 in 96.52 mm
Radius: 12.30 in 312.42 mm
Circumference: 77.31 in 1963.6 mm
Revs per Mile: 845.1
Actual Speed: 60 mph
Speedometer Difference: - N/A
Diameter Difference: - N/A



Nokian Tire - 225/45R17
Section Width: 8.85 in 225 mm
Rim Diameter: 17 in 431.8 mm
Rim Width Range: 7 - 8.5 in
Overall Diameter: 24.97 in 34.23 mm
Sidewall Height: 3.98 in 101.09 mm
Radius: 12.48 in 316.99 mm
Circumference: 78.44 in 1992.3 mm
Revs per Mile: 832.9
Speedometer1: 59.1 mph
Speedometer Difference: 1.464% too slow
Diameter Difference: 1.45%
Old Sep 10, 2005 | 01:41 AM
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thanks for all the informative posts. Most likely will hit up tire rack cause i can get a wheel and tire combo from them with free mount & balance and free mounting hardware. I have no idea where to shop for a steel wheel anyway LOL. On the nokian comment i dont have stock tc wheels. Well not the stock 17's at least.
Old Sep 12, 2005 | 03:55 PM
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Gambit7, FYI -- the Hakka 2 is a studded tire. Not the best choice unless you live somewhere with lots of icy roads.

The Hakka 1 has a similar tread pattern but without the studs -- I've been running those on my Honda Civic for years, and they work great. Nokian doesn't seem to make them anymore though. The new Hakka RSi is supposedly even better. I think that's what I'm going to go for this winter.

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Old Sep 12, 2005 | 07:26 PM
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I am running 16" steelies with Dunlop Wintersport M3 tires (205/55 VR 16).

I'd highly recommend Tire Rack, as they put the whole shebangabang together (incl hubcaps and lug nuts).

Hopefully I can keep my stock rims on longer than last year, but when that midwest snow comes callin', I'll be ready.
Old Sep 12, 2005 | 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by garciaog
I am running 16" steelies with Dunlop Wintersport M3 tires (205/55 VR 16).
How do you like those Dunlops? They seem to be pretty well-rated, and they're cheaper than the Hakkas, so I was thinking about maybe getting a set of those if I can't find someone to give me a good deal on Hakka RSi's.

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Old Sep 12, 2005 | 08:35 PM
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My previous car was a Nissan Sentra SER Spec-V. It had 215/45-17 summer tires on it, so I got some 15" Blizzak steelies for the winter. Since the TC tires are also 215/45-17, can I assume the Blizzaks will fit on my TC as well? Or are all cars different? Sorry if this is a dumb question, I just have no idea about tires
Old Sep 12, 2005 | 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by ScubaLubaSteve
My previous car was a Nissan Sentra SER Spec-V. It had 215/45-17 summer tires on it, so I got some 15" Blizzak steelies for the winter. Since the TC tires are also 215/45-17, can I assume the Blizzaks will fit on my TC as well? Or are all cars different? Sorry if this is a dumb question, I just have no idea about tires
The only issue I'm not clear on with 15" rims is whether they'll fit on the tC without hitting the brake caliper (the guy at one of the local tire places I talked to today was worried about this as well). I'm going to swing by there at lunch sometime soon so he can measure my car and see if 15" rims will work.

If they do, I'm going to buy a set of 15" rims and corresponding Nokian Hakkapeliitta snow tires. If 15" rims don't work, I'll need to go with 16" ones.

So yeah, your Blizzaks should be fine if 15s fit on the tC -- only thing is, you might need to get new rims for the tires. The bolt pattern on the tC may be different from that on the Sentra (no idea what the Sentra's is; the tC uses a 5-100mm bolt pattern).

--mark
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