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aiight guys besides me being totlly in love wit hthis body kit :bow: :bow:... i was wondering if the rear wheels were supposed to be angled like that. ive seen this before on lowered cars and was wondering if its bad becasuse my brother lowerd his 98 eclipse w/ sum goldlines and the rear wheels lookthe same. dont get me wrong... it looks pretty tight but i hope its not bad. :nails: any info on this?


~saeed~

its called camber it can wear down the insides of your tires very quickly im sure someone with some more experince in it can help you out but ya it looks sweet but your tire life gets shorted, do a search on camber and see what you come up with

sweet, i thought it was like gonna mess up ur suspension and like ur shocks and struuts but if tires is the only bad apart i think its pretty worth it.

http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=79057
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Camber that is made from lowering your car creates toe which actually eats away your tires more then just the camber.

i like how he thinks the body kit made the tires sit that way...
he he

the wheels are like that because the box is on bags....

when the car is lowered to the max with the bags, the wheels angle themself. the wheels have negative camber

negative camber is bad on the tires, but the pictures shown above, the boxes will not drive like that, they will raise the car to make it at a drivable highest, with the proper camber

those actually probably have camber plates on them, most xbs with bags dont have that much camber with bags along they also have camber plates to create that drastic look

no im not retarded, the body kit has nothing to do with the suspension. what r u thinking?i said, besides thebody kit... the wheels look funny.aiight guys besides me being totlly in love wit hthis body kit :bow: :bow:... i was wondering if the rear wheels were supposed to be angled like that. see?

I didn't know we had independent suspension on the rear !!!!

Mine has an different set up.

Now that I made a joke ha ha , if you lower our boxes I am under the impression that the type of suspension we got doesn't change the camber that way.

We learn something new all the time.

well i love it, i thiks it looks soo tite!i just love everything about those two boxes. i want that body kit now... even though it cost more than my life.

what are u talkin about dude? i explained that it was on bags, do u not know what that means?

so r u saying that once he raises his car , that the wheels wont be angled like that and the car looks normal?

yes, thats exactly what im saying. do you not know what airbags are?

Were you refering to me? As "dude", just plain rude if it was.

Now, check out under our cars, putting "bags" on them will not give you that much camber, no matter how low you go.The rear suspension is not independent, like a lot of Hondas, Toyotas ( Corolla comes to mind, I used to build them at the Manufacturing Plant not far from my house).
You can check out the online manual here or go to your local parts house, they can explain it better with a picture/diagram than I can here in writing.

Those cars got bags, yeah I got that. Did they install independent rear suspension, the only way it would change that drastically when going up and down ( adding air or releasing air)

i was talking to daboxk, the guy who initially posted this thread.

looks sweet

I like it too!

Never been a fan of the ultra-cambered VIP/JDM look. But, the body kit and tails on that white xB are awesome.

OOOOOOO I REALLY like the two tone white one. That is nice. Maybe I will get that kit someday..... who makes it? The cambering looks retarded and like you broke an axle...... Not feelin it......

its a japaneese body kit called noblesse. its the bet one ive seen yet. but yeah i know what bags are lol
but ive seen lowered boxes with bags that the rear wheels dont look lik ethat but yetserday i was doing a lil research and i found out that they make kits that angle the rear wheels inwards like that so its something u can do. iono bout the pricing. but yeah that body kits front bumber only is like $700! still pretty tite tho

Never been a fan of the ultra-cambered VIP/JDM look. But, the body kit and tails on that white xB are awesome.
Ditto

OOOOOOO I REALLY like the two tone white one. That is nice. Maybe I will get that kit someday..... who makes it? The cambering looks retarded and like you broke an axle...... Not feelin it......

That's what i'm thinking. Since when did gnarly negative camber become the in thing? I'm on your boat with this one.

The rear suspension in xB's and xA's is the same cheep "semi indipendant" POS. Basicly the rear of the car is a trailer pulled by the front wheels. There is NO CAMBER ADJUSTMENT on this type of rear end unless you bend the rear end. So yup, the cars you show in those pictures are in fact busted. Sorry, that much negative camber is too much, it is the result of running wide rear wheel drive offset rims on an axel that was designed for front drive offset rims. The $900 to replace the rear axel would look better as the right rims on the car in the first place.

too bad....how long u think those cars would last with busted up rear axles?

the wheels are like that because the box is on bags....

when the car is lowered to the max with the bags, the wheels angle themself. the wheels have negative camber

negative camber is bad on the tires, but the pictures shown above, the boxes will not drive like that, they will raise the car to make it at a drivable highest, with the proper camber

Sorry but you could not be any further from the truth! You do not know what you are talking about. The rears are not like that because of BAGS!

The rears are cambered because of Camber Shims. Camber shims are installed to achieved the Camber'd look. No matter how low you drop the rear of an xa or xb there are no camber issues. Camber is used to fit wider wheels that usallly wont fit without camber. And mostly camber is used for aesthetics. They run camber on purpose. Its not because of the rear suspension.

Furthermore, Camber alone does not make tires wear badly, it is a combination of bad toe and camber that eats up tires.

Please do not spread things you know nothing about. You are misleading people into believing false things.

the wheels are like that because the box is on bags....

when the car is lowered to the max with the bags, the wheels angle themself. the wheels have negative camber

negative camber is bad on the tires, but the pictures shown above, the boxes will not drive like that, they will raise the car to make it at a drivable highest, with the proper camber

Sorry but you could not be any further from the truth! You do not know what you are talking about. The rears are not like that because of BAGS!

The rears are cambered because of Camber Shims. Camber shims are installed to achieved the Camber'd look. No matter how low you drop the rear of an xa or xb there are no camber issues. Camber is used to fit wider wheels that usallly wont fit without camber. And mostly camber is used for aesthetics. They run camber on purpose. Its not because of the rear suspension.

Furthermore, Camber alone does not make tires wear badly, it is a combination of bad toe and camber that eats up tires.

Please do not spread things you know nothing about. You are misleading people into believing false things.

bBoxd, you beat me to it. Maybe BrEaK_AwaY shouldn't share his 'universal' car knowledge when he knows nothing about the specific model car in question. :loser:

i agree with bboxd. if it were fully independant rear suspension then it might do that...but on xb's its like running an axle so theres no camber whatsoever no matter how much you raise or lower your car...think of it as 4 wheel trucks using a straight front (axle) thats so they dont have to fool around with camber issues

well-worded bboxd.

sigh, i do know what i am talking about.

we all know the toe is the main reason for tire ware... not camber. MOST vehicles wheels get that camber when on bags and are compeltely lowered. In this case I did not know it wasnt like that for the xB, so excuse me for trying to be of some help. It is unecessary to go off like that. Im sure i have just as much knowledge on suspension as you do. You own an xB, there for you know the camber on it well more than I do, same for me with a tC...

not to be mean but, just a thought...maybe next time if you're not sure about a particular subject, don't answer. giving out wrong info is worse than admitting you don't know....hey bboxd, are you running the otg camber shims?

the wheels are like that because the box is on bags....

when the car is lowered to the max with the bags, the wheels angle themself. the wheels have negative camber

negative camber is bad on the tires, but the pictures shown above, the boxes will not drive like that, they will raise the car to make it at a drivable highest, with the proper camber

Are you saying that the airbag controller somehow also changes the camber based on ride height? Now that WOULD be trick!

Dumba$$.

the wheels are like that because the box is on bags....

when the car is lowered to the max with the bags, the wheels angle themself. the wheels have negative camber

negative camber is bad on the tires, but the pictures shown above, the boxes will not drive like that, they will raise the car to make it at a drivable highest, with the proper camber

Are you saying that the airbag controller somehow also changes the camber based on ride height? Now that WOULD be trick!

Dumba$$.
go look at an suv on bags and see what happens....

now i dont know who to believe..

Go read http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=77504&highlight= . Van is making camber shims here in the US now. There is some good information on the toe correction to reduce tire wear.

the wheels are like that because the box is on bags....

when the car is lowered to the max with the bags, the wheels angle themself. the wheels have negative camber

negative camber is bad on the tires, but the pictures shown above, the boxes will not drive like that, they will raise the car to make it at a drivable highest, with the proper camber

Are you saying that the airbag controller somehow also changes the camber based on ride height? Now that WOULD be trick!

Dumba$$.
go look at an suv on bags and see what happens....

Bro can you please do everyone a favor and STOP! You keep on trying to make a recovery to prove that you know this and that, when in fact you DONT KNOW! Do we drive SUV's?!?!?! HUH? do we?

You are confusing a lot of people here. You already look incredibly stupid and are just digging yourself deeper. Just stop already. There is nothing more for you to prove. Just take it as a learning experience and stop trying to turn it around to somehow make yourself seam right. YOU WERE WRONG! Deal with it and move on.


**FINAL ANSWER to clarify this for everyone**- The rears of Xa's and Xb's will not Camber in no matter how low you drop the car, whether it is on Bags or Coilovers or Springs. Camber is achieved in the rear through Camber shims that are installed behind the Hubs. Lowering your rear will only affect your Toe and not Camber.

One word: ugly,ugly, ugly.

Just when I think the xB can't get any uglier, somebody goes and makes it uglier.

Yuck.

dont have an xb geniouse?way to diss ur own car.

both of them

xA's and xB's have STRAIGHT axles. no way to get camber except for an IRS or camber plates. there's your answer.

And when was having camber known as "VIP"? :roll:

And when was having camber known as "VIP"? :roll:

Since it became the newest spinoff of the JDM fad.

i think its like a japaneese look

And when was having camber known as "VIP"? :roll:

Since it became the newest spinoff of the JDM fad.

yeah thats just ___...

I still can't believe people are PAYING to make their car look like the wheels are going to fall off... What's funny was back in the day people used to pay money to CORRECT camber issues from lowering a vehicle... Camber to me looks like a $hitty lowering job... this is MY opinion, however, and what people want to do to their cars is entirely up to them.

heres a tip for you people...

YOU BUILD YOUR RIDE AND THEY'LL BUILD THEIR'S!

^^^smartest thing said so far

This is a little of the topic at hand but what is the body kit on those cars

i think it's a noblese

Thank you I have been a fan of that kit from the first time I saw, it is not to wild but is diffently different from stock

yes thats the noblesse body kit. i love it. its so expensive tho. but the other one i like is the nkb power one
http://www.memoryfab.com/detail/i.php?id=172
i dun like too exotic, i like the clean look

Believe it or not, those cars have the SAME bodykit, to whomever wrote that. I have that much camber on the back and for as little I drive the car, I tore the tires up. Oh well, I'll change it back soon anyway. Hopefully, I'll some good camber on the front too, as I am still awaiting my front camber plates I ordered a month ago thanks to a goofup at shipping. doing straight camber on the back of the A's and B's not lowered doesn't change the toe if at all. It's when the car gets lowered and the axle gets a forward tilt to it, you get toe in with camber. It's just geometry.

love ur setup JDMJim. i want those tail lights!

the wheels are like that because the box is on bags....

when the car is lowered to the max with the bags, the wheels angle themself. the wheels have negative camber

negative camber is bad on the tires, but the pictures shown above, the boxes will not drive like that, they will raise the car to make it at a drivable highest, with the proper camber

Are you saying that the airbag controller somehow also changes the camber based on ride height? Now that WOULD be trick!

Dumba$$.
go look at an suv on bags and see what happens....

You have GOT to be kidding me! You obviously don't know a whole lot about suspension, airbags, or what vehicles are equipped with what.

Why don't YOU go take a look at a bagged SUV. Most propper SUVs (Truck based, body on frame) have traditional, solid, straight axles in the rear. Especially if you are talking about domestics. (The majority of bagged SUVs in the U.S. are doemstic.)

Just like with the xA and xB the only time you are going to see negative camber in the rear of a bagged SUV is when they have swapped out for an independent rear suspension. And most of the time someone does that they do everything they can to PREVENT excessive negative camber.

Like it was said before... Quit trying to back pedal and make excuses. You were wrong. Live up to it like a man. Quit trying to defend comments, only to make yourself look more foolish.

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