So this weekend I stopped by Car Nutz in Bellevue, WA to visit Joel, an xB owner that works there. I ended up spending the rest of the day Saturday there and a little time on Sunday, but in the end we (Joel, Sean 'anxb2nv', and myself) had a lot of fun pretending to know Japanese and installing a Greddy turbo kit on his RS2.0 xB.

As of right now:
-the turbo kit install is complete
-the car runs
-we have not tuned the car, nor do we have any feedback to provide about performance until it is tuned
But all in all we're very happy with how things went together. We learned a lot about where everything is on the 1nzfe motor.

Sorry some of the pictures are fuzzy...

Intercooler mounting
http://www.victoryunlimited.com/Car%20Nutz/JoelsxB/Intercooler1.jpg
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Heat wrapping
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Exhaust manifold and turbo install
http://www.victoryunlimited.com/Car%20Nutz/JoelsxB/TurboIn.jpg
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All done!
http://www.victoryunlimited.com/Car%20Nutz/JoelsxB/TurboxB.jpg
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This is actually an older picture of Joel's xB, now he's rolling on some deep dish Axis 18's. This car has a nice stereo setup too, I'll have to get some pictures of that too.

More to come once the car goes to the dyno shop.
http://www.victoryunlimited.com/Car%20Nutz/JoelsxB/CarNutzxB2
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Wow! This looks great! I'm tempted to order one now, haha.

Greddy kits are junk IMO...only good thing is that most of the kits are Carb legal

i've always liked greddy kits but that's me.


i hope this kit becomes carb approved but since it's been out for awhile and it isn't approved yet so it probably never will be.

screw all these companies not making theyre stuff carb approved !!!!

Hmm, I sense a disturbance in the Force. I may have a waited a few more months. But then again, what the heck do I know? Nothing!

Oops.

Nice pics dave!

The install looks pretty straight forward!

whatsup brad??...check out the F/I mini forum we got goin on at the top of the page :P .. It will hafta do for now till we get what we really want(our own forum). At least its gonna happen sooner or later :lalala:

Hey Vito! Ok.

you said it was an RS2.0L xb ?? is this correct? but then later you mention the 1nZFe...... which is correct?

No, he meant Release Series 2.0...its the limited edition yellow for 2005...its still a 1nz

you said it was an RS2.0L xb ?? is this correct? but then later you mention the 1nZFe...... which is correct?
both

Post up more pics and ALSO, post up some videos!! If you need hosting, i can host.

oh, joel got it in? ill have to stop by and check it out. i bought his airbagged 04 when he got his RS2.0. he told me all about his soon to come turbo kit.

oh, and his sound system is pretty nice. sounds clean.

nice lets see more pics

thats gonna gain like 2hp. haha I joke.

thats a work of art man, post up some dyno #'s and more pics

ahh the sweet sound of turbo on a box it was music to my ears. now i want to drive the dang thing lets get it tuned already!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What are you using for engine management? The greddy stuff?

you said it was an RS2.0L xb ?? is this correct? but then later you mention the 1nZFe...... which is correct?
both

sorry for my ignorance :doh:

What are you using for engine management? The greddy stuff?

The kit came with a Greedy E-manage, its running with that for now. We've heard some problems with the setup, but we havn't encountered any yet. Its scheduled to go to the dyno shop late next week. I'll get some updates as soon as we have something.

So far we know that it spins the tires freely in wet a bit easier :)

hella sexy :love: :love: :love:

Can't wait to see the dyno numbers! :D Great pics!

i say 120whp

Any numbers yet?

i say 120whp

hope it's closer to 140....

i say 120whp

hope it's closer to 140....

Me too, has the kit become CARB legal yet? :nails:

No Carb legal, and I think you guys all have some high hopes w/ the WHP...the greddy kit if im not mistaken is only running around 4-5 psi and puts down about 120-125WHP on a 5 speed.

well greddy has been stringing us for some time so thats why we have high hopes. I do remember that the kits for other cars like integras were at low psi as well. Something about how that helps with smog. But I also do recall that the psi could be adjusted on those integra kits. I am hoping that the xA/xB kit can be adjusted to a higher psi as well.

main reason for the low boost on the American xB's is because its the level they were able to run the car at with minimal MAF issues. Anymore psi, the MAF bugs out a lil bit and thats where the fuel issues start coming into play.

isn't there a way around that though? You would think since the system is there you would be able to play around with it or at least add on to it. Would there be any issues if other parts were added to it? Or would just leave it alone? Would the piggyback ECU with the system not work as well?

isn't there a way around that though? You would think since the system is there you would be able to play around with it or at least add on to it. Would there be any issues if other parts were added to it? Or would just leave it alone? Would the piggyback ECU with the system not work as well?

I never tried the Greddy Map tuning unit. It measures the Manifold Absolute Pressure(boost) instead of TPS(throttle position sensor). It is a much more accurate way of tuning for our vehicles, and Im wondering how well it would fair on our cars. The thing that I am still unsure of is the fact that Greddy only runs 4-5 psi and I dont know how well it will work up to about 8 psi.

The thing that I am still unsure of is the fact that Greddy only runs 4-5 psi and I dont know how well it will work up to about 8 psi.

So we are just going to have to wait and see if someone takes it that route. becasue I was seriously looking into the greddy turbo set-up when the scions first came out. Still interested but still wondering about the low psi set-up.

Im truthfully not crazy about the Greddy setup, why dont you wait till the supercharger comes out. I bet thats gonna put down some decent power to the wheels. One of the biggest issues is the returnless fuel setup. I converted over to the return line fuel setup to help with the and try to squeeze a few more psi but it still isnt the complete answer. Our ECU's are soo damn stubborn that I have never seen a car with this tricky of an ECU before in my lifei. Toyota's are developed for reliability and durability and that is why they make it soo hard to hack the ECU. They are too far advanced, but if someone was able to break that code it would be soo easy to make a nice fuel map and the turbo would be a really reliable engine mod on the xB. Most people that throw a rod or chunk a piston its because theres a really bad fluxuation in A/F levls and violently leaning out.

too bad no f/i for the xa/xb will ever be carb legal.. such a shame.

As I said before we won't have anything until late next week, probably around Nov 14th before we can post numbers or dyno. Learning from EL prototype and others who have boosted this motor, the kit will be run at 6psi. Greddy rates the kit upto 10psi, but the stock motor probably can't handle that. If and when something blows up, the Joel plans to have the motor built up a little to handle the full 10psi.

^^^^^^you sure about that??? I coulda sworn Greddy set the wastegate to like 5 psi max. Then obviously with a boost controller you could turn the boost up as much as you want...dont worry about the motor, it wont let loose at 10 psi. As long as you have a decent tune it will hold up. I had plenty of runs at 10 psi...hell, I have spiked out to 13 psi a couple times and never threw a rod so I dont know why everyone gets soo scared.

And BTW, I know of one set-up running 145 whp, but still needs fine tuning. And on stock internals for now.

ever get a dyno?

Just a quick update, per the request. The car has been sitting at the dyno shop literally for 3 weeks and they have yet to touch it. So we wait... and wait. A good dyno tuner is hard to come by in Seattle, so we'll keep waiting until they can finish it up.

OH.. I'M DYIN' HERE !! I am lookin' at the Greddy kit but I want some numbers !! also how was the install, I have built motors and such before (chevy) and did head changes on Talons and such..but are the instructions straight forward or.... :tap:

Any info would be VERY helpful !!

Thanks !!

any pics or updates? im dying here waiting for numbers too

holy shniz, may i ask why he took off the valve cover? for clearance? thanks...

tick...tick....tick...

sooooo any info on the dyno? any info as to whether either of greddy's kits (turbo/supercharger) will ever be carb legal ?

10 psi!?! We all know these 1NZs snap rods anything higher that 6 psi for any amount of time at thoise pressures.

AND we all know the OEM ECU is self correcting back to the OEM SETTINGS.

rods hold more than 6psi.

rods hold more than 6psi.

Hmm, I know two 1NZs that let go at the rods trying to run 8-10 psi. 6 psi is the safe psi guideline that most others agree with w/o snapping connecting rods.

But then again, I'm no F/I expert, and have yet to build a F/I 1NZ. But I have driven one.

it's not the psi that gets em but the detonation and preigniot involved with bad tuning. at least from they guys i've heard , watched learned from.

i'll tell ya what if ANY company made carb legal turbo or carb legal superchager they would make SOOOO much money. think of the largest tuner market. CALIFORNIA. and yeah lots and lots of people will mod their cars illegally. but...... I don't wanna be scared of a cop pullin me over and popping my hood every time i go out to get groceries. ya know ?


i digress no one cares. the funny think is a lot of these companies are in california but say screw it when it comes to johnny epa law

it's not the psi that gets em but the detonation and preigniot involved with bad tuning. at least from they guys i've heard , watched learned from.

Its actually the angle at which the rod is at, in relation to the piston and the crank, when its put under pressure that causes it to snap.

oh trust me brad i know this. but theres also multiple cars on this site with 8 and 9 psi also. unfortunately they don't post that much anymore,. hell at all.

oh trust me brad i know this. but theres also multiple cars on this site with 8 and 9 psi also. unfortunately they don't post that much anymore,. hell at all.

But are they driven daily? I like to see exactly what they are running.

Some of my info I get comes directly from Drag, a few peeps that have installed FI in Scions, and not from some of the so-called backyard/driveway mechanic/expert.

i understand that. maybe their time just has't come yet.

i'd run like 6 or 7 psi on this motor.

doesnt matter i don't need any more trouble with chp.

how many hp is it running

congrats :bow: . how does it run with out the tuning ? did you have to upgrade your injectors? i have this kit myself . I haven't installed it yet . and i cant find a good dyno tuner .

wow the way that kit is set up you could save $1000(the price of the FMIC) and get a nice top mount which would A) cist a lot less (lets say $400) and the fmic lag would be cut in more than half. All you would have to do it cut the hood to get air to the tmic but I'm sure you could make it look good for pretty cheap.

For example there is a japanese verion of the vitz that they have a tmic for a supercharger and it works very well.

just my 2 cents on a good kit

BUMP.

Whats the status of your ride?

looks awsome!!! I thought it didnt come with an inter cooler?? make me wana plumb that into my Greddy SC..

i HAve there SC it runs at 8.5 psi

After the cars all set......... and you want more boost...ITS VERY SIMPLE.
I did this when my car had the stock turbo,and it works reliable.

just add2 lbs of boost,for the most part the air cant get past the stock intake manafold because it just wont flow after a point.

HAVE FUN ! :money: you will love this :money:

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WOW, for some reason I stopped getting reminder e-mails for this thread. I thought it died. Sorry.

I'll be down at Car Nutz tomorrow for an open shop Scion install day. I plan on taking several photos and will get the final numbers for the xB posted up. Along with Joel's testimony for what his experience has been. He's had it back for about a month now, so enough time to put some miles on it.

video would help as well.

I got the chance to drive it on Saturday. It was a kick.

I forgot to get the info... but he said it was putting down 119 whp and 138 lbft tq. Its still throwing codes, but runs and drives great. A couple of other people got to drive it. My favorite description of driving it was my friend Sean, "it's like riding a big wheels down hill with your feet off the pedals fun", not mind boggling fast, but a good time.

Greddy released US emanage programming for the automatic, which he's running now. The kit is running at 6psi.

I'll see what I can do to get some video footage. What specifically do you want video of? Dyno run, 1/4miles, 0-60 ??

give us both. is greddy going to do a us map for the 5 speed?

I think they already have a map for the 5sp... maybe I'm wrong.

I got to drive Joel's RS2 on Sat too, It felt like what the box should be, not too fast, but fast enough.

what kinda codes is it throwing i want to order this kit friday but tring to get all the info i can on it before i do

what kind of video, hmm, take someone like me who has no interest in going turbo or s/c, and after i see this video, im already planning on how i can buy one. ( 0 - 60 ) is good . or a good video/ audio clip of the noise it puts out.