It's like the concept :clap:
The US may not even get this version though. We might get a watered down or not even the bB. We might get a behemoth replacement tsk tsk tsk :nails: .
I like the center armrest.
http://toyota.jp/bb/
NEW ENGINE!
1.5L 3SZ-VE 107bHP/103lb/ft
1.3L K3-VE 91bHP/ 90lb/ft
http://toyota.jp/bb/grade/grade/gradeval/image/p04.jpg
Are these HIDS?
http://toyota.jp/bb/safety/active/image/p02.jpg

looks sweety!

I'm not feeling it...

OMG ITS COOL STATUS

I am digging the interior. And the exterior has some t2b styling cues as well.

cool, but I agree with frankenscion... not really feeling the outer styling. The new interior looks hot though

I'm not feeling it...

Ditto.

I think the new bB is too Japanese/Euro for most people but not for me. Check out the mini site. Optional 9-speaker system. 3-stage speaker illumination in blue (totally illegal in the US). Is it me or is the new bB smaller than the former bB/current xB?

BTW, the higher end 1.5L 2WD version (Z"Q" Version) will only cost Atsuko-kun and Takumi-san 1,701,000 YEN or about $14,616.00 USD at current rates for Jennifer and Billy Bob Joe.

Original Accessories
http://toyota.jp/bb/dop/index.html
Side Air Bags
http://toyota.jp/bb/dop/interior/image/02-p01.jpg
What's with the flames...DC called they want their PTC back
http://toyota.jp/bb/dop/package/image/a-main.jpg

WORD TO SCION :

Keep everything SQUARE :) That's all I have to say!

Eric

Looks like a mesh of a PT cruiser and a xB. All i gotta say is: eww

i'll buy the first Release series of the new model when it hits the US... just like i did with the xB...

w00t...

Scion for Lifer!

looks like poop.
pt cruiser, hhr... now this.
ugly 3fold

Good job with the interior. . .
. . . not diggin the exterior. . .

But that's how I felt about the FIRST xB.

Maybe they'll make body kits to make 'em look like the OLD bB

That front end can't quite figure out what it wants to be. The lower part is Pontiac Firebird, while the upper part is some sort of PT-cruiser/VW New Microbus concept.

Sorry, but I prefer the cleaner look of the current bB/xB. This one's too busy.

according to thehollywoodextra.blogspot.com customers will have the opportunity to choose different front end designs. though, no pics were provided.
http://thehollywoodextra.blogspot.com/2005/12/new-scion-xb.html#comments

Is there a plastic surgeon in the house? we have an emergency!!

:no: bad Toytoa :no: go to your room and dont come back till you clean up that mess

interior looks awesome!
exterior needs a little work but it seems to be getting there

huge mistake. Jeri Yoshizu, if you're reading this, keep that redicuous beast out of the lineup.

some may like it, and I say that's GREAT. sell the darn thing as a toyota, and let people have the option, but this is just not cool.

Plain and simple, the xB does not have nearly enough market penetration in the US to pull a stunt like this and survive. People still stop me and ask me what I drive. Now, when I say market saturation, think PT cruiser - now there's a model at the end of it's lifespan, ready for a facelift, but they missed the cue and are going to get stepped on. Imagine where google would have ended up if they would have kept 'reinventing' themselves before they became a verb.

Also, one of the biggest benefits IMO, is the fact that a huge aftermarket industry has sprung up around the xB, and all model years' parts are nearly interchangeable. Similar in ways to the old veedub bug - easy to work on, easy to mod, and huge selection of aftermarket parts. That's the draw to the younger segment.

There are just too many things that this marketing team has done correctly to forgive a mistake of this magnitude, but it would be a surefire way to go from hero to zero.


Deal with it before it happens.
Set things in order before there is confusion.
...
People usually fail when they are on the verge of success.


- Chapter 64 of the Tao Te Ching
http://www.nokama.com/tao/index.cfm?fuseaction=chapter&ch=64

yo im diggin on that

interior is sweet! as far as the exterior goes I like the rake on the side windows and the tailights are kinda cool. but that grill? wtf? it looks like a mistubishi and a honda had a bastard child!

Lets face it though, NONE of this matters as the nexB(hah!) for us. As we are going to get a practicalized t2b.

interior is sweet! as far as the exterior goes I like the rake on the side windows and the tailights are kinda cool. but that grill? wtf? it looks like a mistubishi and a honda had a bastard child!

Lets face it though, NONE of this matters as the nexB(hah!) for us. As we are going to get a practicalized t2b.

You may have reliable sources. . . but I've never met them, so who ever said the t2B was going to be turned into the next xB?

the ccX concept (remember that?) never materialized as the tC. . . in fact the tC is extraodinarily different from the ccX.

ease up on your tone son its just the internet.

my sources are just, y'know the news.
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=108243

Everything is pimp about it... The front, the side, the interior....

Everything except those PT Cruiser taillights! :doh: Who's bright idea was that? The old vertical taillights just flowed so much better with the boxy shape of the car.

Well, Toyota was planning on making a new bB in Japan, and a "different, bigger" version for the american xB, lets see how that goes. I'm betting we end up with something pretty close to that. I just hope they put new tails on it. :pray:

-THE DON

well since there will be no official replacement for our xB (as in no other model will have the xB name) then the t2b could be the xB replacement.

yea the ccX and the tC are different, but from what I see the ccX turned into the tC.
they both have the same ideas put into them
-they are both hatchbacks
-styling expected in a sporty coupe with expansive cargo-hauling capability needed for light-duty work and play
-glass roof
-The rear seatbacks fold forward to provide ample cargo space
-a sliding .... cover
-performance-tuned 2.4-liter, dual overhead cam four-cylinder. The engine is linked to a four-speed automatic transmission
-the "waterfalll" where the comfort and audio controls are.

so i dont think so.

ease up on your tone son its just the internet.

my sources are just, y'know the news.
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=108243

I wasn't trying to sound hostile. That was exactly what I was trying to avoid. And ah, yes.

But the article only suggests that the t2B is a "pointer" for the next xB. . . which is extremely vague to say the least.

But following trends, the ccX (which was Scion's last concept vehicle) does not really resemble the tC in anyway, shape, or form, except for the fact that it has two doors and four wheels.

I'm guessing that the next xB will be semi-boxy, have 4 doors (and a hatch), and have 4 wheels. Anything other than that is probably still up in the air (as far as anyone OUTSIDE of Toyota Motor Corp. is aware).

I mean, look at the Yaris! Everyone posted up pics of the 4 door Vitz RS being the replacement for the Echo. . . but only the 3 door hatch makes it stateside. All I'm saying is that even the experts are absolutely terrible at predicting Toyota Motor Corp. Again, I just wanted to point out that the t2B is not necessarily going to be the next xB. . . in fact, it could be waaaay different. There's no way to be sure.

I'm not feeling it...

I AGREE!!!

freakin....

there is still too much that they were wanting to do with the ccx that the ended up doing in the tC. so I am still not seeing you conclusion as being a possibility. still i could be wrong, but so could everbody.

and hear is a reacher that im gonna go ahead and throw out because im weird like that:
and if the whole confusion thing with model names didn't exist, the tC could have been called the xC
the "concept" for the xB was called the bbX here
you could say that the ccX would have been the concept for the xC(tC)

I'm not liking it either 100% I think they need to fix the grill by making it even with the headlights and take that ugly line created by the body molding that runs down the side to the front. I tried to photoshop an idea. Looks a little better but still needs some work and I'm not good with photoshop. I wonder if those designers at toyota read this stuff!

Here it is:
http://img489.imageshack.us/img489/9936/bb4lt.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

A.F.I.K. the four door yaris IS coming. I mean thats what the article posted on here said. Other wise why would they have had the reporter drive the sedan and the hatch?

If you check what I wrote I said 'a practicalized' t2B. That was a generalization. Its pretty clear that the t2B set the tone for whats to come. Its also pretty clear that this new japanese bB is not coming to scion dealer near you.

Design aside, financially, the only smart way they'll be able to replace the xb, keep the price close to the current car, and make a real profit on a high volume seller is to build it stateside.

A.F.I.K. the four door yaris IS coming. I mean thats what the article posted on here said. Other wise why would they have had the reporter drive the sedan and the hatch?

If you check what I wrote I said 'a practicalized' t2B. That was a generalization. Its pretty clear that the t2B set the tone for whats to come. Its also pretty clear that this new japanese bB is not coming to scion dealer near you.

Design aside, financially, the only smart way they'll be able to replace the xb, keep the price close to the current car, and make a real profit on a high volume seller is to build it stateside.

Yeah, I wasn't trying to argue with you, and I think I misunderstood what you were trying to say. "Practicalized" sounds like it is essentially the same thing, minus a few details. There are a lot of things on the t2B that will probably never make it into production. . . a lot of design dependent things. . . like the doors, for one.

And as far as the Yaris, when I was referring to the 4 door Vitz, I meant exactly that. There is no such thing as a sedan Vitz, only the hatch, which many people will call a fifth door. My bad. I should have said 5 door. They did, however, relabel another Japanese model as the 4 door Yaris (sedan), but it's not a Vitz. I forgot the name of the other model. But anyway, only the 3 door Yaris(Vitz) is coming, not the 5 door, as was indicated by some "predictive" sources. And we do get a sedan (4 door), but no 4 door hatch.

Looks like a mesh of a PT cruiser and a xB. All i gotta say is: eww I can't agree more. I'll take my box.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y254/robertdawg014/pt.jpghttp://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y254/robertdawg014/hhr.jpghttp://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y254/robertdawg014/bb.jpg so much for our boxy originality...

i hope this car come with a faster engine

i hope this car come with a faster engine

Well, the JDM version doesn't. . . it retains the 1.3 and 1.5L engines. . . but we're supposed to get a USDM specific replacement (or so they say) so a faster/slower bB wouldn't really matter anyway. That is unless, of course, you live in Japan.

:nope: Not diggin' it much.

Looks like a mesh of a PT cruiser and a xB. All i gotta say is: eww

Exactly...

Not as ugly as the current box, but still ugly......

What happened to the rear leg room? it looks like it would be cramped back there, thats one of the things that surprises most people about the xB, the amount of leg and head room inside the thing.

Here's a pic from the site that might help put the car in perspective...it does seem more compact then the current model.

http://toyota.jp/bb/ecology/image/main.jpg

Also, here's a spot on the site that displays more interior shots/configurations...its got that great magic seats refresh feature where the front seats fold completely flat and create a lounge situation.

http://toyota.jp/bb/interior/index.html

However, who knows what we'll get since this is clearly not based off of the Corolla platform. One things for certain, I'm going to wait for more news before I buy.

From that last link it looks like it has reclining rear seat like the tC.

I like the interior, but I'm still not feeling the exterior. :no:

:wink: you might see it this year

Hope this will be at NYIAS, Scion debuts something new every year there it seems. The grill is kinda strange but I dig the interior

oh well... hopefully by the time it comes out, i can finally get a new bimmer or something.

Customized :bow:

Street Billet http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y196/wesf23/streetbillet.jpg

Modellista http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y196/wesf23/modellista.jpg

Admiration http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y196/wesf23/admiration.jpg

Kenstyle! http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y196/wesf23/kenstyle.jpg

Customized :bow:

Street Billet http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y196/wesf23/streetbillet.jpg

Wow! Now that's what I'm talking about. This one is BADASS... :bow:

ya that sux

more specifics posted on leftlanenews.com HERE (http://www.leftlanenews.com/2005/12/26/toyota-unveils-new-bb-in-japan-scion-xb/#more-1080)

it appears that previous posts stating that this new bB is smaller than the current version is correct. just imagining how much more room the longer wheelbase gives
Although the overall length has been shortened, the wheelbase is extended to create an interior space like that of the previous bB, and there are numerous, highly functional storage spaces.

Nope. Not interested. Nope! If I wanted a PT, which I didn't, I would have bought one.

"Square is Where" it's at.

Interior is fair but the most unique feature of the dash, the rounded up-top speedometer is gone. It looks like it humbly melted down into the rest of the dash like the rest of the cars in the world.

The exterior has the typical high back seat door so that if you have small kids in the back seat, they cannot see out of the window - Dummmmmmmmmmb.

Keep the new bB in Japan. Sell a million more xBs as they now are in the US of A.

On second thought, why not sell these PT (Barnum - as in "there's a sucker born every minute") want to be. It will make our xBs "of old" mor rare and thus more valuable.

you know, the more i look at it, the more it looks like the xA and xB had a love-child. An ugly, ugly, love-child.

I DO dig the interior, but I do not like the exterior. Primarily repulsed by the front end fascia, and the taillights.

But it's still uglier than an Aztek.

But it's still uglier than an Aztek.

whoa whoa whoa!do you wanna think about that statement some more?!?!

The aztec is hands down the ugliest vehicle in the last 20 years. This car has some mis-steps but its Nowhere near the aztec.

:lol:

But it's still uglier than an Aztek.

whoa whoa whoa!do you wanna think about that statement some more?!?!



ease up on your tone son its just the internet. :silly:

ok. thought about it. it's still uglier. That's my opinion. Objectivity is a myth.

I'm not liking it either 100% I think they need to fix the grill by making it even with the headlights and take that ugly line created by the body molding that runs down the side to the front. I tried to photoshop an idea. Looks a little better but still needs some work and I'm not good with photoshop. I wonder if those designers at toyota read this stuff!

Here it is:
http://img489.imageshack.us/img489/9936/bb4lt.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v696/boboso/Dscf0086.jpg

For some reason, from what my eye's see, I don't think it looks like a PT Crusier or even a HHR.....I think it looks closer to the micro mini-van's you see all over in japan, like the picture....... and in this post http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=96932&start=0

i totally hate the front AND rear end of this car......hate it

this thing is hot!!

and the aztek is the ugliest thing ever...next to the HHR as well...and other GM stuff

It looks cool...but for my taste it looks too much like a pt cruiser ..with the angles and such..doesnt look as "boxy" to me

just my opinion of course

It would catch alot of looks just like the xB did if that model gets to the USA, and that sells cars.

Looks like a mesh of a PT cruiser and a xB. All i gotta say is: eww 2nd that. eww is right. why cant they just put a biger/powerfull engine in the xb. how hard could it be.

cause with toyota's plan they don't want to keep a model in rotation for more than 3/4 years. thats why.

there is also a saying that says its better to change a year ealy than a year too late.

hideous. No dice. I would not drive that let alone own it. Too crazy for American eyes.

That post above with the Honda Stepwgn. <--- Yes, that's how it's spelled on the car. Not even a comparison to the bB. Different class of vans. That's the size of an Astro. The new Stepwgn is hideous too. Honda Airwave is where it's @. Honda Elysion is what we should have got and when will Honda ever send us a real Odyssey again?

But it's still uglier than an Aztek.

whoa whoa whoa!do you wanna think about that statement some more?!?!



ease up on your tone son its just the internet. :silly:

ok. thought about it. it's still uglier. That's my opinion. Objectivity is a myth.
thats cool man, theres nothing wrong with being a closet aztek fan :rofl:

oh and stating what your opinion is, IS a form of objectivity and stating that 'objectivity is myth' is you opinion. :clap:

Neat huh?

I'd rock it

Customized :bow:

Street Billet http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y196/wesf23/streetbillet.jpg

Wow! Now that's what I'm talking about. This one is BADASS... :bow:
now, remove that round foglight, cut the mid grille to same length of the top grille.
put some fog lights(same design angle as the headlight) on both ends of the lowest grille.

then, i'm sold :silly:

xB with curves/pt cruiser with less curves

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y196/wesf23/admiration.jpg

http://jpusaco.com/imgProducts/30_2.jpg



Looks like an xA with a tall rear end

A.F.I.K. the four door yaris IS coming. I mean thats what the article posted on here said. Other wise why would they have had the reporter drive the sedan and the hatch?

If you check what I wrote I said 'a practicalized' t2B. That was a generalization. Its pretty clear that the t2B set the tone for whats to come. Its also pretty clear that this new japanese bB is not coming to scion dealer near you.

Design aside, financially, the only smart way they'll be able to replace the xb, keep the price close to the current car, and make a real profit on a high volume seller is to build it stateside.

Yeah, I wasn't trying to argue with you, and I think I misunderstood what you were trying to say. "Practicalized" sounds like it is essentially the same thing, minus a few details. There are a lot of things on the t2B that will probably never make it into production. . . a lot of design dependent things. . . like the doors, for one.

And as far as the Yaris, when I was referring to the 4 door Vitz, I meant exactly that. There is no such thing as a sedan Vitz, only the hatch, which many people will call a fifth door. My bad. I should have said 5 door. They did, however, relabel another Japanese model as the 4 door Yaris (sedan), but it's not a Vitz. I forgot the name of the other model. But anyway, only the 3 door Yaris(Vitz) is coming, not the 5 door, as was indicated by some "predictive" sources. And we do get a sedan (4 door), but no 4 door hatch.

It's a good thing we didn't get the 5 door, because that would mean the end of the xA, IMHO-the cars would be so close that it would be stupid to sell both. They realized this, that's why we are only getting a 3 door and a 4 door, because they wanted to keep the xA as the small 5 door.

I like the interior but overall the HHR looks better.

It's a good thing we didn't get the 5 door, because that would mean the end of the xA, IMHO-the cars would be so close that it would be stupid to sell both. They realized this, that's why we are only getting a 3 door and a 4 door, because they wanted to keep the xA as the small 5 door.

Agreed. I was merely pointing out that the automotive "forecasters" seldom use their brains, and are purely speculative. It's best not to use them as a source of information, but entertainment. Toyota is a VERY difficult company to predict.

oh and stating what your opinion is, IS a form of objectivity and stating that 'objectivity is myth' is you opinion. :clap:

Um, I think you have subjectivity and objectivity confused. That's cool, man, there's definitely no IQ test to be a memeber here. Clearly.

If I state an opinion, it is subjective. In fact, there is nothing I can state that is not influenced by my own mind, therefore 'objectivity is a myth', but that's a WHOLE different thread.

My subjective opinion is that the aztek is one of the ugliest cars in the last 20 years, along with the eagle 4wd wagon. When I factor in 'design inflation', as in, what an aztek would look like if it were desinged today, I envision this hideous monstrosity that has been unveiled to Japan. I believe that I am entitled to say that.

Now, that's just the exterior, really. I dig the interior for sure.

I actually like the look of the front. The back, well I wish they left it alone.

It sort of looks like the front end of a train.

I like the interior but overall the HHR looks better.

nope nothing like the HHR or the PT cruiser

the new bB is dead sexy!

the more u look at it, the more u will appreciate the lines!

it still has a boxy look with more buldges in the fenders, and i bet this new bB wil be highly customable

I'm not saying it looks like it. I'm saying i like the wider profile of the HHR better than the higher profile of the bB. I like the way it looks but I dunno about dead sexy :rofl:

Just so happens I saw the Japanese TV ad for the new bB on the Japanese channel here in LA. My Japanese isn't that well but there was some mention of Scion.com so I wouldn't be surprised that it might be released in the US someday. :nails:

Hey everyone!!, when do ya'll think the bB is going to hit the U.S?

I like it. I actually *really* like it, a hell of a lot better than that T2b monstrosity that they unveiled a while ago. Also like the front end a lot better than the "fat lower lip" of the current xB. my wishlist would be that they bring this over with a 130-140hp engine, maybe the 1.8 VVTI from the Celica/Corolla.

For some reason the tC always looked smaller than the Matrix, although it has a shorter wheelbase, overall length and weighs 200lbs less.

Now, if they could come out with a new box based on the corolla but still give it that small feeling, and shove the 2.4l engine in it (and keep the weight somewhere around the Matrix as well, 2700lbs), then it would be killer. Hell, it'd be faster than the tC. :rofl:

Well...

Let's just say I'm happy with my xB and very glad I bought it.

The current xB is a quirky, practical, lovable little beast that aligns with the "form follows function" ideals.

Ergonomically the curent xB is an excellent design - everything from the exterior box shape, to the shapes of the doors and hatch, to the size and placement of the windows is very functional. The instrument layout on the dash is ergonomically sound, as are the placements of the controls (except for the interior light...).

The design of the 'New bB' does not have as good a set of ergonomics, inside or outside. The rear hatch inhibits 'cargo' loading, the 'swoopy' windows do not have the visibility, the more cramped interior does not have the accessibility, the new instrument package does not have the obviousness, and the new doors limit access. It has too many compromises. (even the exterior looks like a lot of 'compromises' - a 'design by committee' package...

Yes the design is "new" and therefore attracts attention, but it doesn't have the underlying practicality that makes 'The Box' so lovable. The box doesn't apologize for it's shape, it doesn't have to. This 'new' thing, though... Ugh.

Sorry, the "New bB" is not my ideal 'next vehicle' and I would be looking elsewhere if I had to replace my box with something new.

My unaskedfor opinion is that it would be a mistake to replace the xB in the US with something this different from the xB's design reasons. Keep the current xB with VERY minor updates for another year, then, if a suitable replacement can be put together, ease it in to the lineup.

(That "New bB" does NOT meet the needs I was looking to fill, as well as the current xB, and therefore there is nothing to induce me to buy one at any price point.)

(The Aztek is still uglier, though...)

hmm me personally i think the ASStek is the ugliest thing no matter what. I also think that the front end on this is kool and the size of it is kool too, i love small vip cars but that pt cruiser lookin back end needs to GO!!!!!!!!!! oh and i love the interior also. it would be kool if we got it with a fixed rear end and a 2zz motor perhaps =) but thats just my 2 cents . C ya guys!

Looks like my next car will be a PT conv. turbo.
It's got power ( toyota are reading?)
And it looks like the new XB replacement.
There are mods up the wazoo for this car.
Who uses the rear seat?
So the room issue is not there!!

darn, I was hoping that japan would do a much better job. It looks like they were going to rely on the darnded concept and not find something new. Overall, it sort of does resemble the bB, but its not blocky anymore.

Im digging the interior though. That must be the hype under this new concept. I guess I didn't really look through this thread long enough but that armrest is quite interesting (Music Player bB).

The big downside is of course that engine... and ... the weirdo shape back of a car!! I hate the back of this vehicle and the position of the tail lights... Ugh....

I should just stick to my "xB" for now... : D

Oh and one other thing... If usa does happen to release this bad boy... maybe... i hope it has one of those special packages (Kenstyle, Modelista, Street Billet) on it already as an "american concept". hehehe..

You can't replace a vehicle that's just blatantly blunt like the xB. It's like saying the Hummer H2 replacement will be aerodynamic as a Ferrari. You can't turn the new Beetle into a box. You can't super size the Mini Cooper. The xB's day of execution is near. Nothing can replace it. On that note the new bB is made by Daihatsu Motors, partly owned by Toyota. So instead of a Toyota sticker on the side pillar, it might say Daihatsu. Not sure if that will keep the bB from coming stateside. Might flow well in Europe where Daihatsu's are also sold.

Did someone say t2B Cargo? :pray:
http://www.allscion.com/images/2005nycarshow/t2B_cargo.gif

oh and stating what your opinion is, IS a form of objectivity and stating that 'objectivity is myth' is you opinion. :clap:

Um, I think you have subjectivity and objectivity confused. That's cool, man, there's definitely no IQ test to be a memeber here. Clearly.

If I state an opinion, it is subjective. In fact, there is nothing I can state that is not influenced by my own mind, therefore 'objectivity is a myth', but that's a WHOLE different thread.

Now, that's just the exterior, really. I dig the interior for sure.

Thanks for defining objectivity and subjectivity in such an objective way. Until you came up with your own matrix-like definitions I was seriously lost in life. Oh and thanks for questioning my IQ as well! You are superhelpful. :clap:

Oh and So glad I can still be a MEMEMBER here. Thanks for the blessing.

Thanks for defining objectivity and subjectivity in such an objective way. Until you came up with your own matrix-like definitions I was seriously lost in life. Oh and thanks for questioning my IQ as well! You are superhelpful. :clap:

Oh and So glad I can still be a MEMEMBER here. Thanks for the blessing.

ease up on your tone son its just the internet.

ease up on your tone son its just the internet.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
good deal man. I'm glad you have a sense of humor.

http://www.nihoncarandbike.com/index.php?page=news&id=200

More pics and video

I LUV THE NEW LOOK!!!!!! That front end looks like a mean wee bulldog- grrrrrrr!

Come on people- we all love the xB because it's bold and it makes a statement. It says "I'm different, because I don't care to look like you." This new bB carries on that tradition. People who don't like this new design are probably the same people who didn't get the xB.

Too bad here in the US we're going to get some bloated SUV crap to replace the current xB. Any time you hear something is 'designed for the american market'- that means it's garbage designed by rank amateurs. Those money-grubbing bastards at Scion just had to ruin a good thing. They heard that cross-over SUV's are the hottest growth segment, and they rush in like the braindead corporate lemmings that they are. Goodbye originality. Hello stupid SUV bandwagon. Just another BOOOORING SUV. They think they can sell you a boring SUV just because they have a 'hip-hop generation' marketing campaign. ie. they think you (we) are stupid. PH*CK YOU SCION.

Looks more like a Jack 'O Lantern on bad acid. :doh:

It's beyond my comprehension how anyone could think THAT hideous clown face front-end looks good. I guess that would explain some of the body kits people buy. I guess FUGLY is the new pretty or something. WTF... :rofl:

BTW, I have an xB and they missed the boat here and did what Honda did to the Element. Made the design overly "fussy" with non-sensical random lines and ridges that have no flow and bizarre shapes that do NOT work.

What made the original great is the fact that it has straight, simple lines and classic proportions. It's simple and clean. This...this...THING looks like what would happen if you let some 16 yr old ricers with poor eyesight design a "phat" body kit for the xB. They just ruined it. I'll gladly accept something that looks more like the T2B than THAT piece of dogcrap. Thank Jeezus we won't be subjected to looking at that pus-filled boil of a vehicle.

^^Agreed the t2B defintely looks better.

I'm with Tomas. Functionality is 90% of what attracted me to the xB. Almost nothing about the car is stylized, and the result matched my needs nearly exactly, right down the line.

Pictures can be deceiving, but this new design appears to have compromised some of the xB's functionality for the sake of style. To the extent that's true, it's a downgrade, IMO.

It's mostly academic to me; I expect to be driving my xB until at least 2015, if not longer. I always keep a good car until it becomes too expensive to maintain.

But whether something like this new bB gets imported to the US, or whether the rumored US-specific larger version comes to pass, I believe Toyota would be making a mistake abandoning the niche for a highly utilitarian small wagon that they both created and filled so well with the xB.

RichC

DAMN! Oh.... DAMN!! That thing is just.... just... WRONG!! IMO, of course. If that's where the xB/bB is going, I'm keeping my toaster FOREVER! Me NO LIKEY!!

I don't like it, but I didn't like the original xB at first either. The xB really grew on me, and in fact in honesty if I had to get rid on one of my cars it would probably be the tC, not the xB. So maybe this one will grow on me too, but for now I don't like it.

It's mostly academic to me; I expect to be driving my xB until at least 2015, if not longer. I always keep a good car until it becomes too expensive to maintain.

These are great cars for the money, but they aren't built like pre-1990s Mercedes. You might want to be a little more realistic about how long you'll have it. It would take a miracle for one of these things to last 20 years. If you want to see the future, just look at a Paseo or a Tercel and see how solid those are now. They might still be running, but they aren't looking so hot.

These are disposable cars, not classic heirlooms you hand down to your children. :silly:

It's mostly academic to me; I expect to be driving my xB until at least 2015, if not longer. I always keep a good car until it becomes too expensive to maintain.

These are great cars for the money, but they aren't built like pre-1990s Mercedes. You might want to be a little more realistic about how long you'll have it. It would take a miracle for one of these things to last 20 years. If you want to see the future, just look at a Paseo or a Tercel and see how solid those are now. They might still be running, but they aren't looking so hot.

These are disposable cars, not classic heirlooms you hand down to your children. :silly:

As a matter of fact, I'm basing my expectation on my experience with an '81 Tercel, which lasted 16 years with only routine maintenance, used much the same way we're using our xB. We've also gotten 14 years and 165,000 miles (so far) from a 91 Mazda MPV - the last 65k after giving it to my son. So I have some experience with the longevity of Japanese cars, and with handing them off to the next generation as well.

Also, I think that a society that considers a $15,000 machine that uses a ton of natural resources to make and many thousands of gallons of fuel to operate to be "disposable" has some real problems.

Finally, 2015 is ten years from now, not 20. :P

RichC

http://www.cydeproject.com/carstuff/GANGSTABB.jpg

thats gangsta!

"It would take a miracle for one of these things to last 20 years."

I don't agree. Its far better built than the 1973 mustang mach 1 I drove from 1992 to 1999 (26 years old, 220,000 on the odometer), or the 1977 F150 I drove from 1987 to 1992, (15 years old, 180,000 on odometer). Its even better than 1996 Ford Escort I drove from 1999 to 2004, and that was just about 9 years old and 130,000 on the odometer.

So making it to 2015 (10 years from now, not 20, by my math), it would only need to be 11% more durable than a 1996 Ford Escort.

I think it will make it.

that pic above is a good look. like i said before just like the first xb i saw, i thought was stupid now i like it if it does comeover i hope i can do it again!

I keep hearing how people were originally put off by the xB, I loved it the first time I saw it, and said I would but one. and I was up until the '06 tC came out.

but with this? I like parts of it. but the whole package isn't working for me.... and im sorry that cargo version loses some of what I liked about it and keeps more of what I dont like.

it looks like its not wide enough for itself, and that space between the headlights looks like they could not figure what to do there. I wonder what it wwould look like if the grille was put there and it was given a front bumper
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y196/wesf23/streetbillet.jpg
like that only not too drastic

and the back end is all wrong. when I look at cars if the back looks bad the whole thing goes down the tube cause the back end is what people notice more when driving. and i like my a$$ to look good. :P

As a matter of fact, I'm basing my expectation on my experience with an '81 Tercel, which lasted 16 years with only routine maintenance, used much the same way we're using our xB. We've also gotten 14 years and 165,000 miles (so far) from a 91 Mazda MPV - the last 65k after giving it to my son. So I have some experience with the longevity of Japanese cars, and with handing them off to the next generation as well.

Also, I think that a society that considers a $15,000 machine that uses a ton of natural resources to make and many thousands of gallons of fuel to operate to be "disposable" has some real problems.

Finally, 2015 is ten years from now, not 20. :P

RichC

Fair enough. I should rephrase that. I definitely think an xB will last 10 years, I just think unless you keep it in a museum, it will be a rattletrap punctuated with 1000's of tiny little dents in the paperthin sheetmetal and the stuffing coming out of the corners of the seats by then, unlike a car that is actually intended to last 10-15-20+ years like an Audi, Volvo, Mercedes etc.

Yes, yes I know the xB is statistically more reliable than those European brands, my point is that a $14k Japanese econo box doesn't have the rugged build quality, paint, cloth and plastic quality to look good at that age. Sure, it may still run, but it wouldn't be anything I'd want to drive by then.

I agree that it's a shame to waste resources, but I take some solace in the fact that they use a fair amount of recycled and recyclable materials in modern cars. I was buying a car I intended to keep 10+ years at this point though, I'd be shopping for an early 1990 Mercedes, BMW or a Volvo 240 series.

ya right, in 10 years it will be about half way to be smog exempt and you know what that means =) so it will be far from scrap metal thats for sure hehe.

besides, if you have an rs1 it will be worth bank! hahahah. well i hope its at least worth a little more since it was limited.

I agree that it's a shame to waste resources, but I take some solace in the fact that they use a fair amount of recycled and recyclable materials in modern cars. I was buying a car I intended to keep 10+ years at this point though, I'd be shopping for an early 1990 Mercedes, BMW or a Volvo 240 series.

actually, 90's BMW interior doesnt hold up a lot more than 3-4 years. My 92 3 series back seats completly fell apart in 96, without anyone riding in them for months at time. Lets not talk about water pumps, radiators, gearbox, suspension issues it had as well.

small Toyota's will hold up a lot better than cars 4-5x more expensive, and that includes interior. In fact, harder plastics used in cheaper cars holds up a lot better than softer materials and leather used in luxury cars.

on to the bB, I think it looks awesome. Front is cool, back is pretty ugly when you see it first time, but you get used to it, but interior is AWESOME. By far the best interior design I have seen in small car, armrest music control looks cool as hell.

I would say that the new bB design has lived up to the Scion branding. Scion was meant to be different, the whole concept was niche to begin with. How many mainstream people would drive a box? More than they figured, but it's not going to be a Civic or Corolla type seller...ever. When they debuted the little cars they caused quite a stir and from the comments on this thread, they've done the same with the new bB design.

Me personally, I like it. But the real question is, do I like it enough to buy it? No, but then again I didn't like the xB enough to buy it either, the xA was a little more to my "buy it" type liking. But you never know how it things work out in the future.

Oh and yes, Toyotas do run forever. Ok, so that's a bit overboard. But my 20 year old Corolla ran really well until just last year when the original engine finally died. Now it's got a new engine (well newer) and it's running fine again. Toyota's hold up very, very well with just standard maintenance, not a lot of other cars do. I'm not saying the can't just that on average Toyota's do very well. Even the rear seat headrest just got it's first tear only a few months ago.

OK guys.

I guess I am just judging by all the other entry level Toyotas I've seen. Paseos and Tercels don't look so hot these days. It's not a criticism that you need to defend against, NO entry level car, with the exception of aircooled Volkswagens, stands up to the test of time.

Like I said, I'm sure they will still run, but when you have sheetmetal as thick as a piece of tracing paper, I'm sorry but it will have 10,000 little dents and the car will creak and rattle when it's 10+ years old. That's just a fact. Corners are cut to make a car for $14k or under it's not something you can deny.

I'm surprised to see what spywolf said, because the majority of older BMW's and Mercedes I've seen does not bear that out, sorry. Mercedes especially earlier models hold up extremely well. It's not uncommon to see a 1970s or 1980s Mercedes with a near perfect interior and no dents. How many 1970s and 1980s Camrys, Corollas and Tercels can you say that about? You do (at least you DID) get what you pay for.

Reliability is great, but I just don't love any econobox enough to want to drive it for 10+ years. The little shortcomings that come along with an economy car would just start to get on my nerves before then. The car has just barely adequate power now, what's it going to be like when it's lost compression and it's out of tune and making 89 hp instead of 103?

Say what you will, but these cars are meant to be disposable items, that is how it works in Japan. If you want a basic econo car that is built to last 20 years, buy an aircooled Volkswagen. The steel doesn't crinkle if you look at it wrong and it's solidly built like a tank.

I hate it!!! Ughh!! The styling version A on the first page looks nice.

Reliability is great, but I just don't love any econobox enough to want to drive it for 10+ years.

And that's your preference. But it's just a preference, not a fact. There are hundreds of thousands of well-kept entry-level Japanese cars out there more than ten years old that serve their owners well and allow them to spend their money on something more important and worthwhile than new cars every 4 years.

If I had sold my Tercel after only 10 years, I would have been selling a car in perfect operating condition with less than 100k miles on it, that cost next to nothing to maintain and run, that was cheap to insure and long-since paid for. For many people, that describes a better car than you can buy new.

RichC

good god this design is a mess...
I can't believe somone was able to sell THIS in a meeting...if they release this I may sell my box just to avoid the association....

Reliability is great, but I just don't love any econobox enough to want to drive it for 10+ years.

And that's your preference. But it's just a preference, not a fact. There are hundreds of thousands of well-kept entry-level Japanese cars out there more than ten years old that serve their owners well and allow them to spend their money on something more important and worthwhile than new cars every 4 years.

If I had sold my Tercel after only 10 years, I would have been selling a car in perfect operating condition with less than 100k miles on it, that cost next to nothing to maintain and run, that was cheap to insure and long-since paid for. For many people, that describes a better car than you can buy new.

RichC

That's funny because every Tercel and Paseo I see looks like dogsh1t now with faded paint, a million dings and a raped interior. But there are exceptions to every rule. I'm sure if you baby it and treat it like it's precious it will hold up better.

Kudos to you for keeping a cheap car that long and really getting your moneys worth out of it and being ecologically responsible. :clap:

The world needs more people like that.

good god this design is a mess...
I can't believe somone was able to sell THIS in a meeting...if they release this I may sell my box just to avoid the association....

I couldn't agree more.

They basically did everything wrong that the first model avoided. Trying too hard to make the car "interesting" by going crazy mixing nonsensical lines and curves and stupid shapes in a random mess. Same thing that made the Element less classy than the xB.

The xB got it right and would have been hard to improve upon, except with small touches to modernize it a little.

This design is atrocious and represents the worst traits of stupid JDM design from the same school of though that spawns the FUGLY over the top bodykits with cowcatchers and non-functional intake scoops that lead nowhere.

I'd take a Porte over this thing any day.

That's funny because every Tercel and Paseo I see looks like dogsh1t now with faded paint, a million dings and a raped interior. But there are exceptions to every rule. I'm sure if you baby it and treat it like it's precious it will hold up better.


I treat my cars like something that costs three months' salary to buy. But I don't obsess over how they look on the outside, just how they run and feel on the inside. I'm not trying to impress anyone except my broker.

Nevertheless, sometimes we see what we look for. Try looking for well-kept entry cars instead of junkers and you might be surprised by what you see.

RichC

That's a good point. I think it's also fair to say that people are less likely to treat a Paseo or Tercel as nicely as they would a more valuable investment, that probably accounts for alot of the ragged looking cars I see.

Then again, my car is barely 2 years old and the rear door already has a cheap sounding rattle in it from being slammed too hard by someone ONE time and various parts of the interior plastics are showing wear and tear and I don't abuse my car at all. It's things like that that make it hard for me to beleive this car will look nice in 10 years. I'm not complaining though, it is what I expect from an economy car, nothing more, nothing less.

This saddens me. It looks like somone took a first-gen bB and left it out in the sun for too long.

:ttth: Come on now, how many of you guys actually liked the Xb from the start? I'm sure there were some converts out there. You know when it hits our shores you'll be the first one in line to trade in that 2004-2006 Xb.

I may not be the 'usual' sort, but I wanted the xB before I even found out
who made it.

As I've said here before: The very first time I saw a brief glimpse of a Scion commercial on
TV - just an xB driving by and turning into an urban canyon - by
the time we channel switched back the commercial was over.

My comment to the other person watching with me was "I want
one! What is it?"

(It was obvious to me it was a "Tokyo City Car, but I didn't know who's.)

My first thought on seeing the 'new' bB that toyota just released was
"Mazda? Chrysler? Eweww!" :P

:ttth: Come on now, how many of you guys actually liked the Xb from the start? I'm sure there were some converts out there. You know when it hits our shores you'll be the first one in line to trade in that 2004-2006 Xb.
I actually liked it when it was the bbX.

Um... it looked exactly the same dude. Except for the grille and headlights it was pretty much identical, but I agree. :rofl:

Um... it looked exactly the same dude. Except for the grille and headlights it was pretty much identical, but I agree. :rofl: I know that is why I am saying that I liked the xB from the start!!! :silly: :silly:

I'll take it in black cherry pearl please.........