Is anybody planning on making any type of methanol injection for the tc's supercharged future?

Just buy a universal kit, its not hard to hook up. ZPI is more then likely gonna come out with one, they're developing a lot for us...:o

ZPI can hook you up with what you are looking for. They said they have on that replaces your window washer fluid tank.

From what I hear - its a pretty easy added punch. The way I drive I dont know if I could use it because Im always hanging around the higher rpms and it would be squirtin like crazy but from a company standpoint ....it shouldnt be a hard thing to mass produce.

Check out Snow Performance. They make one of the nicest Universal Meth kits I've seen. www.snowperformance.net

Charles

whatsup Charles...happy holidays, havent talked to you in a minute...hope all is well

Check out Snow Performance. They make one of the nicest Universal Meth kits I've seen. www.snowperformance.net

Charles

i dont know what the going price is for the kits. ...you are saying for $300 that is a good cost? (im not doubting you ....i just dont know).

whatsup Charles...happy holidays, havent talked to you in a minute...hope all is well

Yea man, I've been super busy trying to get some stuff done soon. Holidays were okay. Dealing with some un-needed drama but Im above it so its not really getting to me all that much. Hit me up sometime.

Yea, I think 300 dollars is very reasonable for what you get with that kit. There are some cheaper kits out there for sure but this is one of those things were you get what you pay for. Their kit is very well put together and thought out and comes with a great instruction manual. If you have any questions, feel free to call them. Their customer service is second to none.

Charles

im wondering why nobody has already installed one of these yet. I would love to see the dyno results to see if its worth getting.

There several good kits available -

Devil's Own is popular with SRT-4 owners as is the Snow systems.

Can't go wrong either way....

We really like SMC kits. The only issue with the snow kit is that the pump is gravity fed so in the tC you need to be very creative in the installation process.

We really like SMC kits. The only issue with the snow kit is that the pump is gravity fed so in the tC you need to be very creative in the installation process.


True, there is not much room in the engine bay. However with the oversized pump you can locate it anywhere in the vehicle, including the rear hatch area. I don't think it comes with enough tubing to do that with the kit so you would have to buy more.

Charles

ugh - sounds like the first kit mentioned is the one to get. Anybody good for a dyno?

Check out Snow Performance. They make one of the nicest Universal Meth kits I've seen. www.snowperformance.net

Charles

Hang on...
Is this stuff like a nitrous setup, where you just tap your intake, and feed a mixture into the air stream??

Water and Methanol?

Is this really how that stuff works??
Please explain...

ugh - sounds like the first kit mentioned is the one to get. Anybody good for a dyno?

get it installed over at turbotrix in edison NJ. then have them dyno it for ya :P

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I got one

well shoot - ...what do you think?

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I got one

What in the world is that? :eyebrow: Where did you relocate your battery?

some people are doing a lot more work then what they are saying - which isnt breaking any rules ...but it would be nice to know when people make their cars as nice as that.

What in the world is that? :eyebrow: Where did you relocate your battery?[/quote]

It's under the filter. :wink:

some people are doing a lot more work then what they are saying - which isnt breaking any rules ...but it would be nice to know when people make their cars as nice as that.

In Maryland about 6 weeks ago. :P

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I like this video too..

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I got one

Isn't that the electric supercharger??

Yes it is.

has anybody heard of using prestone deicer washer fluid with their methanol injection? A friend of mine told me that ripp mods said to use this instead of the 49/51% methanol mix. Has anybody heard of this? or....that the new kits use the windshielf tank as what holds the prestone liquid so it can be used for both the windows and injection kit?

also ...my friend said that some other injection kits cost a few thousand dollars. The stage II kit with this one only costs $399? .... are we talking about the same quality product? If so ..what would I need .... snowperformance stage I or II? Is there another kit that would be better for a price around theirs? I know very little about this type of injection but would like to learn more. Does anybody know the HP gains with such a product on an engine like the tCs

Using any sort of washer fluid is a bad idea because most of them have some sort of detergent in them. Among other things that you would most likely not want to inject into your engine. This might work to an extent on the cooling aspect, but the octane rating of methenol is what allows you to run more timing and in the end make much more power.

Charles

I have a prototype Snow Performance system on the tC as a N/A. A plate was machined to fit between the plumm and the throttle body and is about ¾ of an inch think. It has an injector in the plate that can be changed, there is a solenoid to keep the system from having back pressure coming through the pump. It has a MAF unit, this one is based on voltage for the tC, some are frequency for other car companies.

The tC has a 80 whp injector in it, it “appears” to make some difference when in use. When I was on the dyno testing the ZPI s-pipe the injection system made only about 1, maybe 2 whp on the dyno. It was hard to say as the engine was already hot and losing horse power. If I had changed to the 175 whp injector and retuned the MAF unit we may have seen more of a gain at the wheels. The testing session was for the ZPI s-pipe not the injection system.

The Snow pump and tank are large and hard to find a place to mount, if you look at any pictures on the tC you will see the motor and tank through the front grille. I have spoken to Kenny at ZPI and will be changing the pump out to a smaller higher quality pump, likely an SMC system. We will see how much of a difference it makes on the ZPI stage 1 kit that is going on the tC.

As to fluid, I use a -32 degree washer fluid, which has a high concentration of methanol and add one bottle of HEET to each gallon.

ugh - for such a small hp its not worth it but with a stage1 turbo or supercharger the #'s are going to go up without a doubt. My friend says that he can feel a difference when he uses it but you never know whats mental and whats reality.

My tC does about 165 whp, with the proper tuning and the correct injector it may be possible to get 5 to 10 whp. I have not specifically done this yet, before I do the ZPI turbo I may have time to change the injector out to the 175 and have it tuned on the dyno.

Let’s say that most methanol kits sell for about $300, let’s say that you get 5 to 10 whp. Compared to other bolt on performance parts currently being sold it is comparable with cost vs whp gains.

for the money that sounds good but throughout years of filling it up...thats a different story

Water injection works much better on high compression N/A cars that require higher octane to keep from knocking.

Same premise on turbo/supercharged cars.

Its very effect and allows you to run much more boost than you could on regular pump high test fuel.

Its basically very good racing gas in a water tank when mixed with your fuel.

Don't question it, just get it. That is if you want to make more power, even at stock boost levels.

I don't live under the hood of a tC so I can't comment on mounting issues. But the Devil's Own Kits are very well made.

They are very common on Supercharged Pontiac Grand Prix GTP's and other factory supercharged and turbocharged cars.

Water injection works much better on high compression N/A cars that require higher octane to keep from knocking.

Same premise on turbo/supercharged cars.

Its very effect and allows you to run much more boost than you could on regular pump high test fuel.

Its basically very good racing gas in a water tank when mixed with your fuel.

Don't question it, just get it. That is if you want to make more power, even at stock boost levels.

I don't live under the hood of a tC so I can't comment on mounting issues. But the Devil's Own Kits are very well made.

They are very common on Supercharged Pontiac Grand Prix GTP's and other factory supercharged and turbocharged cars.

Water injection works great for dropping IAT's but it doesnt allow you the comfort or freedom to run much more boost and timing as Meth injection does. Methenol itself has an octane rating of around 120. Not only does the water meth mix cool the IAT's but the meth actually adds octane, which allows you to run more timing safely, which is where the majority of the power increase comes from.

Charles

Water injection works much better on high compression N/A cars that require higher octane to keep from knocking.

Same premise on turbo/supercharged cars.

Its very effect and allows you to run much more boost than you could on regular pump high test fuel.

Its basically very good racing gas in a water tank when mixed with your fuel.

Don't question it, just get it. That is if you want to make more power, even at stock boost levels.

I don't live under the hood of a tC so I can't comment on mounting issues. But the Devil's Own Kits are very well made.

They are very common on Supercharged Pontiac Grand Prix GTP's and other factory supercharged and turbocharged cars.

Water injection works great for dropping IAT's but it doesnt allow you the comfort or freedom to run much more boost and timing as Meth injection does. Methenol itself has an octane rating of around 120. Not only does the water meth mix cool the IAT's but the meth actually adds octane, which allows you to run more timing safely, which is where the majority of the power increase comes from.

Charles

yea....just dont run out by mistake and keep beating on your car. I know the driver would prob feel a difference and my friend likes his kit ...but i dunno.

What is the cost of refilling the methanol over time?

Methanol is an inefficient fuel because it costs far too much to yield not enough power, but as an additive, how cost effective is that?

What is the cost of refilling the methanol over time?

Methanol is an inefficient fuel because it costs far too much to yield not enough power, but as an additive, how cost effective is that?

Methenol injection yeilds a LOT of power, its inefficient because you have to run so much richer if you convert to an all meth system. You would be looking for 9.*:1 afr's instead of 11.*:1. A 55 gallon drum of meth will run about 135 dollars, so all in all, its not that expensive, and when you mix it 50/50 with that water, the cost decreases even more.

Usage/cost really depends on the driver and his/her driving habits. Obviously, if you ream on your car all the time, you are going to use more meth, and therefore cost yourself more money. On a boosted scion tC, it actually proves to be a VERY cost effective way to make more power based on the cost/hp ratio, as it does on many cars.

Charles

I’m new to this, if you’re doing daily driving the methanol is not used/needed to cool the intake charge. I suspect that it would only be needed when boost was raised to a much higher level to cool the intake charge and reduce the chances of detonation.

I’m new to this, if you’re doing daily driving the methanol is not used/needed to cool the intake charge. I suspect that it would only be needed when boost was raised to a much higher level to cool the intake charge and reduce the chances of detonation.

Most of the meth kits come with a map type sensor, or some sort of MAF voltage signal interceptor, that only turns on the meth under a pre-set condition. I.E. at a certian boost level and above. The Snow Performance kit is also set up to progressively increase the amount of meth injected over the set boost range.

You can see the same benifits on a daily driven car. The power gains from using a meth kit come from being able to run more boost and timing on pump gas. You are not going to see a huge difference on 6lbs no. With the meth there though you might be able to run 10 or 11 lbs and you are obviously now going to see a much larger gain in power because of that. It all depends on the particular car and gas used. You are once again with this, searching for the point where your car starts detonating, and trying to supress it.

Charles

Did someone just say "electric supercharger"....?

but then you have to make sure the kit is running right and need gauges to make sure things arent getting too hot etc etc. ...im sure its fun but i dunno. Im a lot more interested in seeing the #'s that the I/C is going to produce.

yeah I was kinda waiting to see if anyone else ha goo results on the TRD s/c with meth injection. I can't decide wether I want the cooling mist system, snow perf, or ripp mods. That and I am afraid of creating a monster as far as maintenance goes.

I just saw 2 Tcs Get dyno'd with Ripp Mods Meth injection.
Ripp installed them, Then they went on the dyno.

Great results. Very impressed with the over all power band increase.
I know there both members but i did not get there screen name,

Maybe they will post up.

Yea its been proven that Meth/Injecton and engine management work wonders for the S/C application. RIPP can hook you up.

well I got my snow performance MAF stage 2 system today. It looks like it is pretty simple to install. I believe the hardest thing about it is going to be finding a place to mount everything. we shall see.

i think you are correct.

well I think I found a place to mount the tank and the pump. So whenever I get the chance to install it, I know where I will be putting that stuff. As for the control modules (water/meth control and safeinjection module), well I'll have to see about that one. I need to find a readily acessible area.

I think I am going to be running the pump and tank in the rear hatch area so I dont hafta squeeze everything into the engine bay

Yeah I thought about that, but I just don't want to have the pump or the tank for that matter inside the car. The pump will easily fit under the battery tray (lots of room) and the tank will fit between the bumper and the radiator and will be fillable through the opening between the bumper and the radiator support.

you can put the pump by the front bumper

See my post above.

ha - you posted that while i had the page open typing mine. and yes - that is a good idea. Also - if you guys wanted you could just not use the tank given w/ the kit and just use the washer fluid bottle - its up to you.

I will not use the washer fluid. It allows too much room for error. If I don't buy the correct fluid and it has bad detergents in it or something it could hose everything...including the motor. I want to be sure that it is getting pure distilled water and pure methanol...nothing else.

nnooo - I didnt type that right. Use the washer fluid holder (the plastic thing). Its 1 gallon'ish and prob 3x's the size as the one you got w/ the kit.

i was thinking about doing that being that my kit came with the bulkhead fitting to tap into the resevoir but I was talking to someone and they brought up a really good point and this would affect you guys being that you live in the northeast as well...winter time without a windshield washer fluid tank is deathly up here with the snow and salt on the roads...that alone persuaded me to go out and just buy an alternate tank instead.

right, but I don't want to wash the window with my methanol mix. I guess it is just preference. I plan on having 2 separate reservoirs. I want to still be able to use the cheap washer fluid, not my more expensive methanol mix.

if you have AIM - IM me. I would like to talk to you about a few things.