What exactly does it mean when you say "Riding the clutch?"

-alex-

not keeping it fully dis-engaged I believe. A good way to wear it out

Correct. Keeping partial-pressure on the clutch lets the plates slip, which causes heat and wear.
Not good to do - a bad habit that will cost you $$$.

Scott

That is why you always want to get in the habit of using the dead pedal when cruising or not needing to change gears.... keep that foot away from the clutch when you don't need to use it.

Traffic is a killer for clutch-riding as well...

That is why you always want to get in the habit of using the dead pedal when cruising or not needing to change gears.... keep that foot away from the clutch when you don't need to use it.

Traffic is a killer for clutch-riding as well...



That is so true, I was in grid lock riding the clutch the other day :(

Well it's kinda of hard not to ride the clutch when your stuck in traffic.

Hence, the AUTO! I'm so glad I went that way, being in LA.

What's the word on your tC?

Scott

What's the word on your tC?

Scott.

Ummmm toyota is being stupid. They told me they couldnt hear anything even though i can and so can everyone else, they said they cant smell anything even though i can and so can everyone else, i asked if he visually inspected the belt..he said YES AND THERE IS WEAR ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE BELT! i then said WELL WHERE IS THAT COMING FROM!! he then said O WELL THE BELT HASNT SEATED PROPERLY AND IT TAKES TIME SO IT MIGHT RUB!...i was like BS! so i got ____ed and left!

sooooooo mad!! :tap:

when stuck in traffic neutral is your best friend, dont keep ridding the clutch to just move a few more feet. Also u guys might not know this but i found out a lil trick that helps somestimes, like if all u have to move is a few inches at a time just press the stick agaisnt the first or second gear slots without using your clutch and the car will begin to inch along. Just press it with sum pressure and i think what happns its the lil synchro things inside the gearbox start catchin partial gear. Just try it and u'll see what im talkin about.

Go to another mechanic and get a second (ok, 3rd) opinion.
Then, call Toyota and say you need to start mediation on this problem.

Scott

Go to another mechanic and get a second (ok, 3rd) opinion.
Then, call Toyota and say you need to start mediation on this problem.

Scott

For real because this is stupid! i mean the noise is there and it's not like it's quite either. Im going to have to take it to another toyota dealer after the holidays are over.

when stuck in traffic neutral is your best friend, dont keep ridding the clutch to just move a few more feet. Also u guys might not know this but i found out a lil trick that helps somestimes, like if all u have to move is a few inches at a time just press the stick agaisnt the first or second gear slots without using your clutch and the car will begin to inch along. Just press it with sum pressure and i think what happns its the lil synchro things inside the gearbox start catchin partial gear. Just try it and u'll see what im talkin about.
First gear doesn't have synchros, so make sure that if you do this you're not grinding at all.

when stuck in traffic neutral is your best friend, dont keep ridding the clutch to just move a few more feet. Also u guys might not know this but i found out a lil trick that helps somestimes, like if all u have to move is a few inches at a time just press the stick agaisnt the first or second gear slots without using your clutch and the car will begin to inch along. Just press it with sum pressure and i think what happns its the lil synchro things inside the gearbox start catchin partial gear. Just try it and u'll see what im talkin about.
First gear doesn't have synchros, so make sure that if you do this you're not grinding at all.

hmmm then im not really sure what it is. Its not grinding, that would be obvious. I think it does it on the nsx too dont remember.

as you do it, you can watch the rpms slightly dip as the car begins to slowly roll.

when stuck in traffic neutral is your best friend, dont keep ridding the clutch to just move a few more feet. Also u guys might not know this but i found out a lil trick that helps somestimes, like if all u have to move is a few inches at a time just press the stick agaisnt the first or second gear slots without using your clutch and the car will begin to inch along. Just press it with sum pressure and i think what happns its the lil synchro things inside the gearbox start catchin partial gear. Just try it and u'll see what im talkin about.

i'm kinda scared to try that.
i've heard of people starting off in second gear when in traffic, i'm not sure how that works though

when stuck in traffic neutral is your best friend, dont keep ridding the clutch to just move a few more feet. Also u guys might not know this but i found out a lil trick that helps somestimes, like if all u have to move is a few inches at a time just press the stick agaisnt the first or second gear slots without using your clutch and the car will begin to inch along. Just press it with sum pressure and i think what happns its the lil synchro things inside the gearbox start catchin partial gear. Just try it and u'll see what im talkin about.

i'm kinda scared to try that.
i've heard of people starting off in second gear when in traffic, i'm not sure how that works though
you can start off in forth if u want to, just baby the clutch. not a good thing to do, but iv done it just so i could see if i could.

honsesly guys theres is nothing to be scared about. ur just kinda pressing the shifter against the gear slot without using clutch, no grinding.

What's the word on your tC?

Scott.

Ummmm toyota is being stupid. They told me they couldnt hear anything even though i can and so can everyone else, they said they cant smell anything even though i can and so can everyone else, i asked if he visually inspected the belt..he said YES AND THERE IS WEAR ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE BELT! i then said WELL WHERE IS THAT COMING FROM!! he then said O WELL THE BELT HASNT SEATED PROPERLY AND IT TAKES TIME SO IT MIGHT RUB!...i was like BS! so i got ____ed and left!

sooooooo mad!! :tap:

Stupid question but what is rubbing on what? My exhaust is lose and hitting the bottom of the car and I went to the dealer and they said its normal. It moves all over way more than normal because I compared while I was at the dealer. But everything looks right and thats probably all they did. Time to try another dealer I guess.

O sorry...im getting this wierd humming noise from i believe my serpantine belt tensioner. So they said they couldnt hear anything even though i can and so can everyone else...and they said there is actual wear on the side of my serpantine belt. THat's what i was talking about.

^^^ My bad - I kinda thread-jacked here to another topic Scooby and I were discussing...

Scott

i tried to lurch the car forward by pushing it in 1st gear with the clutch all the way out. it moved forward slowly. i didn't want to push it any harder because i thought it would grind. it would work ok in traffic if it moved forward a little faster. i'll try again tomorrow

yep as long as u dont jtry to jam it in, itwont grind and the more pressure u apply the faster it will get goin...

TOLD u guys!

when stuck in traffic neutral is your best friend, dont keep ridding the clutch to just move a few more feet. Also u guys might not know this but i found out a lil trick that helps somestimes, like if all u have to move is a few inches at a time just press the stick agaisnt the first or second gear slots without using your clutch and the car will begin to inch along. Just press it with sum pressure and i think what happns its the lil synchro things inside the gearbox start catchin partial gear. Just try it and u'll see what im talkin about.

i'm kinda scared to try that.
i've heard of people starting off in second gear when in traffic, i'm not sure how that works though

Neutral is your best friend. When you are not moving just put it in neutral, this will you keep your foot off the clutch as much as possible. As far as second goes, it really makes little to no difference the gear you start in. (1st or 2nd)

when stuck in traffic neutral is your best friend, dont keep ridding the clutch to just move a few more feet. Also u guys might not know this but i found out a lil trick that helps somestimes, like if all u have to move is a few inches at a time just press the stick agaisnt the first or second gear slots without using your clutch and the car will begin to inch along. Just press it with sum pressure and i think what happns its the lil synchro things inside the gearbox start catchin partial gear. Just try it and u'll see what im talkin about.

You also probably killing your synchros. Think, the engine idles at 600 RPM, and your trying force a 0 RPM trans into it. Yeah it will move it but it will screw up your syncros.

However, if you don't care at all for your transmission (it will wear it out like never before as you learn) you can shift through every gear (except a dead standstill into 1st) without ever using the clutch. Just match the engine RPM to the trans RPM and shift. Slightly have your transmission into the gear slot and 'feel' the rpms like up, the car will then grab the gear almost on its own.

Be ready for lots of nasty grinding as you learn though. Although its very usefull to know if you are driving a car and something happens where you can't use the clutch.

... Although its very usefull to know if you are driving a car and something happens where you can't use the clutch.

It's called AAA :pray:

Scott

when stuck in traffic neutral is your best friend, dont keep ridding the clutch to just move a few more feet. Also u guys might not know this but i found out a lil trick that helps somestimes, like if all u have to move is a few inches at a time just press the stick agaisnt the first or second gear slots without using your clutch and the car will begin to inch along. Just press it with sum pressure and i think what happns its the lil synchro things inside the gearbox start catchin partial gear. Just try it and u'll see what im talkin about.

You also probably killing your synchros. Think, the engine idles at 600 RPM, and your trying force a 0 RPM trans into it. Yeah it will move it but it will screw up your syncros.

However, if you don't care at all for your transmission (it will wear it out like never before as you learn) you can shift through every gear (except a dead standstill into 1st) without ever using the clutch. Just match the engine RPM to the trans RPM and shift. Slightly have your transmission into the gear slot and 'feel' the rpms like up, the car will then grab the gear almost on its own.

Be ready for lots of nasty grinding as you learn though. Although its very usefull to know if you are driving a car and something happens where you can't use the clutch.

uh yeah everybody knows that... and about ruinin the synchros... THERE ARNT ANY in first. CYAAAAAAA

no synchros on first? hmm, i doubt that
"- The E350 transmission is a compact, lightweight 5-speed manual. There is a double-cone synchro on the REVERSE gear. Triple-cone synchros can be found on FIRST and SECOND gear. This provides faster gear engagement, smoother shifting, and reduces noise. "

taken directly from "everything you wanted to know about the tC"
heres a link
http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=35024

now whatcha got?

no synchros on first? hmm, i doubt that
"- The E350 transmission is a compact, lightweight 5-speed manual. There is a double-cone synchro on the REVERSE gear. Triple-cone synchros can be found on FIRST and SECOND gear. This provides faster gear engagement, smoother shifting, and reduces noise. "

taken directly from "everything you wanted to know about the tC"
heres a link
http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=35024

now whatcha got?

cant argue with that, solid evidence, good work man.
I KNEW that their HAD to be synchros on first cuz thats really one the gears u need em most. Someone said no so i listend. That would be the only way to explain why the car does that when u press agaisnt the gear. honsetly i dont do it that much, and those synchros are there to help you out so i think its going to be alright. expecialy since im not applying that much pressure on the gears.

sensay, i'm glad you took it like a man, very honorable

so, has anyone had to replace they're clutch yet because of slipping?
i'm at 11k and mine feels fine, but i know its been burned up a little more than the seasoned stick shift driver's clutch would be, considering this is my first stick car and i like to have a little fun in it. but nothing stupid

im almost at 15k and its just as clampy as the first day i got it. I didnt exactly always take it too easy on her either.

i live in the LA area and im still desiding between getting auto or manual. i kno the gas would be the same and as the rest of the manual riders wich pick manual for the fun ride that is my dilema, never driven it and think it will be fun of course my lady likes auto and if the gas is the same i guess ill choose auto for those two reasons! auto i think wins for this car as the gas is the same and the only diff is the acceleration... what ever more convinient at times so poop it

no synchros on first? hmm, i doubt that
"- The E350 transmission is a compact, lightweight 5-speed manual. There is a double-cone synchro on the REVERSE gear. Triple-cone synchros can be found on FIRST and SECOND gear. This provides faster gear engagement, smoother shifting, and reduces noise. "

taken directly from "everything you wanted to know about the tC"
heres a link
http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=35024

now whatcha got?

cant argue with that, solid evidence, good work man.
I KNEW that their HAD to be synchros on first cuz thats really one the gears u need em most. Someone said no so i listend. That would be the only way to explain why the car does that when u press agaisnt the gear. honsetly i dont do it that much, and those synchros are there to help you out so i think its going to be alright. expecialy since im not applying that much pressure on the gears.


I'm almost positive the xA/B have no synchros in 1st/reverse though...I think that's what the original poster was commenting on. Also in regards to another post here a little ways back about starting in 1st or 2nd gears...is starting from a dead stop in 2nd bad on the tranny/engine?

no, posible light increase in clutch wear. engine and trasmition fine... if done right. dont bog, take it easy, and have enough revs.