I just bought a hot lava Xb, #1746. This is what my father had to say about my purchase:

Thomas:
You have just bought the latest version of the YUGO. I hope they have a dealer in Vegas as you will have alot of repairs on this car. I hope you have driven this car on the highway as the wind hitting the large windshield will put alot of pressure on the car and on a windy day this light car will be very hard to handle. This car will be worth about $5,000 in 3 years or less. I also believe you car insurance will be high in Vegas because it is small and very dangerous and if in a accident it will have very high cost damage. In other words I believe you made a very big mistake in buying
this car.

DAD

Don't take this the wrong way, but your dad's a dick.

:roll: whatever

Don't take this the wrong way, but your dad's a dick.

Not only that, but he's ignorant. We have dealerships (four I believe) opening here in June. It has been out in Japan for years, and any quirks were ironed out before the US market even got them. It is made by Toyota, which means reliability and high resale value. The safety ratings on it are very good, and insurance cost is not high.

Send him the link to this thread :wink:

hes jealous

This ain't the 50's PAPS...

Just go ahead and look up how car companies stack up nowadays, as far as reliability etc...


Noone on mother earth can tell you straight faced that an American Car company is more reliable than Toyota.

He is so wrong on many levels.
Since it appears he has never touched one let alone driven one, he cannot do anything but guess as to how it will handle.
Comparing to a Yugo? Yugo was a stand alone company. Compare it to a Saturn, then you have a fair comparison.
Value in 3 years is what the residual on a lease is after it is done. Then again How many 5 passsenger veicles thta get 30mpg for under 15k are there?

Don't take this the wrong way, but your dad's a dick.

:shock:

Lets get some points on here:

When the Yugo came out it was a new model, from a new company. Had many, many problems most of which could have been resolved with proper testing.
The xB (and xA) have a proven engine. It's been used in other models for years. It's just been re-packaged.
Speaking of said re-package, this particular model has been out for years. First as the bB in japan and then for a year in california as the xB. The kinks have been worked out.
Many, many, vehicles have a flat front end (vans, trucks, buses, etc). Wind problems come from the side, if you have a large, flat, side on a vehicle the wind will push it around easier. The xB is not only small, but low, thus it is easy to drive down the highway. Lastly (on this point) the shape of the car works to keep it going in a straight line, so it isn't out of control on the highway.
It's a damn Toyota, resale won't be a problem.
My insurance dropped, it's classified as a VAN not a car, by most insurance companies. They are a lot cheaper to insure then people think.
you're dad is speaking from ignorance and should have done his research. I have a feeling he talked to someone, who talked to someone, and got his opinions second hand. Read carefully, you'll notice, he has no facts to back up his claims.


Feel free to e-mail this to him, hell, he can call me (I'll e-mail him my cel number) if he feels the need. But he's wrong on this one. He really should go drive one, then find out about them, before he goes and tells his son that he screwed up.


Oh, I was around when Yugos came out and have driven one (not mine thank god), so I'm talking from some experience when I compair the two, not out of my ___. I know enough about Yugos (even saw one of the few convertables up close) and xB's to know that they don't compair. It's like compairing a 1978 Pinto to a 1999 Escalade.

there are some foul blunt mofos on this forum. tell you the truth you can controll the car on a windy day at high speeds. it does encounter some turbulance from time to time that may be noticable but nothing dangerous. the insurance for this car is cheaper than most ( dual airbags, 1.5L engine, security optional, 5-door wagon) no problem finding good insurance rates. as for quality they may have left out or slacked on a few things but in the end your getting a awesome car with more extras that are standard than anyother car i have ever seen. not to mention that toyota has high resale and is voted among the highest in reliability. i will be respectful of my elders and ask your father to do some research b/f downing your very intelligent purchase.

what does your dad drive?

what does your dad drive?

my father drives a Ford Taurus.

what does your dad drive?

my father drives a Ford Taurus.
He's your Dad Love him for who he is, a driver of a conservitive car made for conservitive drivers.

no disrepect to your father but he is wrong, this the TOYOTA echo drivetrain, it is an entry level TOYOTA, just like Lexus is the high end, like the other have stated the yugo was plague with problems even before fiat sold the patent. Yes boys and girls the the yugo was a rebadge fiat strada, made in a communist block country. Most important if you like your car and enjoy it then why worry what other people think, your father included . Bill Turner

what an idiot! You should print this thread out and show it to him! :lol:

Wait.......... He drives A FORD and he is talking sh*t about the Scion/Toyota....

LOL :lol:

I don't think anyone should take this guy seriously... I think he is ____ed that his son is smarter than him :wink:

Does he know anything about cars??? Toyotas are the most reliable cars on the road! As far as wind goes, it handles as well as a Corolla or Civic does in high winds, and that's pretty good. I've driven them.

I would've never posted a topic like this...the flames are gonna be so bad you'll need a fire extinguisher dude. Your Dad is seriously deluded.

Besides, what kind of a Dad doesn't support his son and offer him affirmation and support? I hate to put it this way but, this says a lot about your Dad. You may wanna ask him why he would tear you down like that. I mean I know he's not disrepecting you, it's your car. But you obviously made an important investment in your life by getting this car. For him to tear it down like that? Borders on abuse. :roll:

Can't be too bad of a Dad, you live at home. Don't have doubts, you know you love it! :mrgreen:

ignorance is the word...

people are so dumb to jump into conclusion...how can one compare Scion with a Yugo?

Your dad must not know much about cars...


simple algebra ...
if Scion is Toyota, then Toyota must be Scion ...then which of the following is not true?

1) Toyota = Scion
2) Scion = Toyota
3) Scion = Yugo + Ignorance = Your dad drives Ford Taurus
4) none of the above

simple enough?

I just bought a hot lava Xb, #1746. This is what my father had to say about my purchase:

Thomas:
You have just bought the latest version of the YUGO.
No, a Yugo was a Fiat built by Yugoslavians. An unreliable car even in the Italian version, but abysmal when built by the people who were probably Scott Adams' model for the Elbonians: "Sure we know how to write, someday we also hope to learn to read!"

A Scion is a Toyota and will be supported for the same amount of time as any other Toyota.
I hope they have a
dealer in Vegas as you will have alot of repairs on this car.

It should be about as reliable as an Echo or any other Toyota. It's hardly a new model.

I hope youhave driven this car on the highway as the wind hitting the large windshield will put alot of pressure on the car and on a windy day this light car will be very hard to handle.

Yes the wind will affect the Scion more than a 50's land yacht, but less than a VW bug. The windshield has little to do with it, though, it's the tall sides that will have an effect. Sounds like someone was snoozing in physics class!

This car will be worth about $5,000 in 3 years or less.

Possibly, but resale value only matters if you are interested in reselling. I really doubt that any Toyota would depreciate that much in 3 years. Heck, Toyota might stop selling them in two years and make them collectable!

I also believe you car insurance will be high in Vegas because it is small and very dangerous and if in a accident it will have very high
cost damage. In other words I believe you made a very big mistake in buying this car.

Well, our insurance in LA has been quite reasonable and I doubt if Vegas is higher.

Dad seems to be pulling a lot of info out of thin air! What did he want you to get, a Hummer?

George

what does your dad drive?

my father drives a Ford Taurus.

Now wait a minute here .... he drives a Ford Taurus? ROFLMAO Ask him how many times has the Taurus line ( since it was first developed ) been recalled by Ford with added pressure from the government over the cars safety? I can think of at least 6 or 7 ... here are some of the examples .....

Brakes ... twice
Tranny ... once
ECU .... twice

and now Ford just did another major recall on the latest line of Taurus'. And he is upset with your Toyota purchase? Hand him some auto mags with the write ups of the xB in them. Tell him he can take them with him while he waits in the Ford Lounge while they perform another Federal Recall on the Taurus. :lol:

I agree with all the positive feedback so far except the effects of wind. Last month was our windy month for the year and I had no problem keeping my XB pointed where I wanted to go. I had less problems driving it on a windy day than most if not all vehicles I've driven.

Your father may have said what he did because of the flashy look of the XB. He thought it was a toy that was made just to get younger buyers to spend money. I would suggest gathering up the documentation to back up all the wonderful attributes about your car and show him that his comments weren't accurate and that he offended you. That will go a long way to building a stronger relationship and make him think twice before he makes degrading comments about your future decisions.

D*** I'm starting to sound old. :shock:

My mom has a Taurus. We bought it new. That thing has sucked monkey balls since the day we got it. It's about to explode it's such a hunk of ____.

Your dad is misinformed.

Andrew

i remember another recal for the ford...
there was a problem with the front suspension tearing away from the uni-body.


and insurance costs being higher?????
if you totaled it (god forbid) the cost is 15k (ish)
if you had a new taurus and totaled it 20k (cheapest one 20,605)

you figure the premiums on the vehicles.


now your age is a different story to the ins. co.

Just let him sit inside, it's the magical cure for all scion hatred.

If that doesn't work, pop the hood and point at the huge toyota logo on the engine cover: "who bought a yugo again?"

Don't take this the wrong way, but your dad's a dick.

Doh! :shock:

Thank you everyone for the feedback about my father's comments. I do get along well with my father. It is not like I am still a teenager. I am 43 years old! My father is 74. And, no, I still don't live at home.
I have been looking to buy a car for about 18 months now as a reward for doing well in the stock market. I was initially set on the Infiniti G3 coupe, but that was too much hp for more. I am a conservative driver. I then looked at the Acura TSX, but it was too big for me. I like smaller cars. So then I was set on the Lexus IS 300. But they quit making the cool yellow in 2003. I put a deposit on a red one, but was told no more red manuals will be made for 2004, so I got my deposit back. (my current car is a 1998 Saturn SL2 with 74k miles, and I plan to keep it) I'll wait 5 more years, to get my mid-life luxury car, probably the Lexus IS 300, or if I slide back to being conservative, I'll get a Prius.
I like bright colors and funky looking cars, so then I was looking at the mini coopers. But it did not come in orange, and I really liked orange, and the yellow of the mini was too pale for my tastes. Then I found the Hot Lava orange of the Scion Xb. Combined with the funky look of the car, I made up my mind to buy it. I had to scramble down to LA from Vegas and called around to find a few manuals left. Most had dealer add ons like 2,000 for rims, or sunroof, or leather. Cheapest I could find was 15,722 so I got it. It has fogs, cargo net, bumper guard (which I took off, but still had to pay $58 for), and floor mats. I drive back to LA on Saturday to pick it up and will drive it back Sunday. I hope nobody rear ends me while I drive the 290 miles back to Vegas at 50-55mph. Will post pics next week in a new thread.

I see people who are in their 70's like you're Dad all the time eyeballing this car, giving me the thumbs up, asking me about it with great curiousity. I am shocked that someone in that demographic reacted this way to this car. I have a close associate in his 70's who loves this car! just call Scion and ask them about the shocking amount of older people buying this car after it was specifically marketed to the 35 and under demographic. Go figure. But honestly, the FORD TAURUS looks like a big jelly bean to me.

All my dad told me was to get an intake and exhaust so it can breath right, and to buy chrome wheels. 8) He hated the looks it to start with, but now he makes me show it off to his freinds.

I Got Rid of my Ford Taurus wagon and bought the xB.... the Taurus was a piece of crap... it left me high and dry on many an occasion..... Long Live The Scion xB!!!

show your dad this video clip, and he will know

http://www.kontraband.com/index.asp?p=%2Fhtml%2Fall%2Fmain%2Easp%3Fcat%3Dtvads

I see people who are in their 70's like you're Dad all the time eyeballing this car, giving me the thumbs up, asking me about it with great curiousity. I am shocked that someone in that demographic reacted this way to this car. I have a close associate in his 70's who loves this car! just call Scion and ask them about the shocking amount of older people buying this car after it was specifically marketed to the 35 and under demographic. Go figure. But honestly, the FORD TAURUS looks like a big jelly bean to me.

Funny you should mention this ... i have had mixed reviews from the older crowd here in South Jersey. I get plenty of " thats cool " from little kids, " nice ride " from gen Xers such as myself and mostly " what the hell is it " from the older crowd. I have had quite a few older people tell me that the car is nothing short of butt ugly, which hurts my feelings, but then usually someone comes along and says " man, that is one cool ride, good luck with it, and i love the color ". This makes me :D again.

:!: :!: how could anyone ever diss a hot lava????? :!: :!: