I want that 13! i had a full tank of gas, my all-season kumhos on and full interior but i bested 14.1@100

I'm running a custom setup on the evo3 16g GT (same turbo as ZPI) at 6psi
with that trap i know i can get into the 13s, i just need better tires i was launching at like 2krpms, i had horrible wheel-hop the whole time

there was an 05 civic with a 1.7L turbo setup pushing 11psi who i beat every time...he was getting a little upset, so he found himself some drag radials and finally caught up with me :)

Thats good man, my best is a 14.0, with a better launch 13's are right there. Defenitely get the engine damper, helped out my wheel hop and traction significantly!

I had a full tank of gas also and forgot to take air out of my tires!

What tire pressure did you run your Kumho's at?

25psi theyre ecsta ASX 245/40/17

Hmm... I wonder if softening them up just a little more would have helped witht he wheel hop. I'd give that shot and see what happens.

What kind of fuel management are you using? My 13.8 was at 103 so I guess you're doin pretty well!

If you don't have an Injen Stiffy.....GET ONE NOW! Set it to the highest setting, the thing works WONDERS!

If you don't have an Injen Stiffy.....GET ONE NOW! Set it to the highest setting, the thing works WONDERS!

Don't you mean INGALLS :lalala:

If you don't have an Injen Stiffy.....GET ONE NOW! Set it to the highest setting, the thing works WONDERS!

Don't you mean INGALLS :lalala:

Travis....

INGALLS

:lalala:

are you running fuel managment ? and was this non intercooled? nice runs . oh and also what was your short times ?

ZPI is comming out with engine mounts - nobody for 100% yet knows if they are going to be better then the engine dampner (because nobody knows yet) .... but I would imagine they will most deff be a better idea. I have them on pre-order and im hoping to see them in another month or so.

Heres my question about the engine dampener. is tc wheel spin/hop due to engine flex/movement or just due to the amount of torque going to the wheels, causing them to sping too quickly.

i just can't believe that the little ingalls stiffy could make THAT much of a difference.

im interested in getting the ingalls and seeing how well it works... ill let u know if/when i get it.

i had 2.2 60ft times but i know they can be improved because of the ____ty launches i had

If you don't have an Injen Stiffy.....GET ONE NOW! Set it to the highest setting, the thing works WONDERS!

Don't you mean INGALLS :lalala:



:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Yeah, of course I mean Ingalls. Just checking to see if you guys were paying attention.. :lalala:

im interested in getting the ingalls and seeing how well it works... ill let u know if/when i get it.

i had 2.2 60ft times but i know they can be improved because of the ____ty launches i had



Yes it makes a world of difference when you have it set to max.

REALLY? Please explain the mechanic of how the Dampener cuts down wheel hop... thanks

Ingalls Website....


A self-contained elastomeric shock that mounts on brackets between the engine and the chassis. It reduces extreme engine movement and dampens the motion, providing many benefits. The “Stiffy” was originally intended for the sport compact market, but can be used for some Hot Rod applications if it is applied correctly.

Benefits
Greatly improved off-the-line acceleration
Reduced wheel hop
Improved vehicle stability
Reduced shock loads on driveline components
Smoother shifting
Reduced wear on exhaust system joints
Less vibration transmission to the driver compared to polyurethane motor mounts.
Less shock load, compared to torque straps and chains.
Drifting – helps reduce shock loads when wheels gain traction.
Reduces motor movement – decreases the chance of motor parts rubbing against
the hood and frame.

I have the engine damper, and it is one of my favorite mods. It made more of a difference than i ever thought it would

People that are reading this - remember that this mod will add extra noise to the inside of your car. You normally cant get better performance and not have something else suffer. Im not saying to "not get the product" ..... Im just stating this fact because most people reading this for the first time would not know if such an issue.

ordered....ill let u know how it goes

People that are reading this - remember that this mod will add extra noise to the inside of your car. You normally cant get better performance and not have something else suffer. Im not saying to "not get the product" ..... Im just stating this fact because most people reading this for the first time would not know if such an issue.


Yes, there is more cabin noise, car vibration, etc. All apart of building your car to go faster. I like noise though, so I'm biased. Our car when it's spooling sounds like a damn jet that just fired up it's engines.

PS...make sure you go to your local Electronics store and pick up some Sound deading material.

Props to You ZEROmotorsports!

If that works anything like a torque strap, it might actually contribute to the problem of wheel hop... if the chassis is made to move with the engine, its just that much more movement that the suspension has to deal with. From the sounds of it the shock would be an improvement over a torque strap, but it seems to me like a trade off - you get more torque to the wheels because you don't lose a little bit with the engine moving, but you get the chassis moving a little with the engine, and you lose some traction in the suspension.

I might be talking out my butt about this since I don't have experience with these shocks, but with torque straps I'm very familiar with the benefits and the drawbacks. Seems like you would have less benefit and less drawback.

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If that works anything like a torque strap, it might actually contribute to the problem of wheel hop... if the chassis is made to move with the engine, its just that much more movement that the suspension has to deal with. From the sounds of it the shock would be an improvement over a torque strap, but it seems to me like a trade off - you get more torque to the wheels because you don't lose a little bit with the engine moving, but you get the chassis moving a little with the engine, and you lose some traction in the suspension.

I might be talking out my butt about this since I don't have experience with these shocks, but with torque straps I'm very familiar with the benefits and the drawbacks. Seems like you would have less benefit and less drawback.


If I say it works, then why try to make it complicated with Theories? It works, just leave it at that.

:lol:

If I say it works, then why try to make it complicated with Theories? It works, just leave it at that.


Because it could be that you're not getting the full benefit unless you also upgrade the suspension.

If I say it works, then why try to make it complicated with Theories? It works, just leave it at that.


Because it could be that you're not getting the full benefit unless you also upgrade the suspension.


You are thinking to hard... :doh:

We are talking about 1 person in particular, who happens to have TRD springs and upgraded Sway bars.

It's all relevant. You don't get the full benefit of a turbo if you don't have good tires, you don't get the full benefit of strut bars if you don't have upgraded suspension, you dont....well, you get the idea. Trust me, it's a good investment to have a ETD depsite the fact if you have upgraded suspension or not. The Bloody thing Works! It may not eliminate 100% of your wheel hop, but a vast majority of it, to notice a difference. Not to mention, but 95% of the time suspension is like one of the first mods a tuner does to his/her car.

But you gotta love the theoretical people anyhow.. :silly:

I want that 13! i had a full tank of gas, my all-season kumhos on and full interior but i bested 14.1@100

I'm running a custom setup on the evo3 16g GT (same turbo as ZPI) at 6psi
with that trap i know i can get into the 13s, i just need better tires i was launching at like 2krpms, i had horrible wheel-hop the whole time

there was an 05 civic with a 1.7L turbo setup pushing 11psi who i beat every time...he was getting a little upset, so he found himself some drag radials and finally caught up with me :)

you prolly could've hit like 13.9999 (you get the point) if you didnt have a full tank of gas. you don't need a full tank to do 1/4 miles. every gallon of gas weighs about 6 pounds. our gas tanks hold 14.5 gallons. next time run it on maybe 2 gallons of gas and you'll save yourself 75 pounds. also consider taking out the spare tire.

Awesome time for 6psi.

If I say it works, then why try to make it complicated with Theories? It works, just leave it at that.


Because it could be that you're not getting the full benefit unless you also upgrade the suspension.


You are thinking to hard... :doh:

: :rofl: :flame:

But you gotta love the theoretical people anyhow..


Heh. Back in the day we called it "bench racing". But I could at least back it up, used to run 13's all day long. That wouldn't put me in any record books, but it was quicker than most people could go.

Didn't realize he had the suspension already upgraded... mentioning wheel hop made me think it was stock. My bad.

But you gotta love the theoretical people anyhow..


Heh. Back in the day we called it "bench racing". But I could at least back it up, used to run 13's all day long. That wouldn't put me in any record books, but it was quicker than most people could go.

Didn't realize he had the suspension already upgraded... mentioning wheel hop made me think it was stock. My bad.


LOL...It's all good man, just teasing ya.. :P I've had wheel hop in 2nd gear before, when I was trying to relearn how to launch now being boosted. It's a slightly different ball game.

well ive had the ingalls ETD installed for about a week now, def a huge improvement with launching hard even on the street. driving around town is improved too, the engine just feels that much more solid with the chassis. extra vibration in the cabin was def noticable but nothing horrible/unlivable. i would strongly recommend this to anyone with FI.

as for hard numbers, I wanted to go to the track fri but forgot about a wedding i had to go to (oops) and this coming friday i have to start a trubo install on an integra customer of mine ;) as soon as i make it back i will post numbers tho.