Im trying to find out if there is a market in Big Brakes. Realistically, what would you pay for HIGH Quality big brakes.

Lets say the kit is a front and rear kit with 4 pots.

I wanna stick Brembos on just for a laugh, but its so pricey, I'll have to stencil it on instead...

a better way to save some money would be to get some cross drilled or slotted rotors. a big brake upgrade is something that is not necessary for the scion line. they do look damn good though when they sit behind some nice rims.

Realistically, I would hope no one offers big brake kits for both front and rear and not offer it with an upgraded brake master (and perhaps booster, if needed) and proportioning valve. There's too many shanky big brake kits that just bolt on but don't account for the need to upgrade those other components, and they drive horrible, and, in all honesty, are a danger to run because in most cases, the cars stop worse than with a well-functioning oem brake setup.

Rear disc brake conversion kits available yet?

I've actually asked Teddy while he's in Japan to look into the Vitz Turbo RS. I think that since it's more of a sporty car, you'd think it *should* have better brakes, not to mention disc rears...it could be an option. :)

Im wondering how much it would cost to get a full body wax on a Tuesday night... did I just type that aloud, how ummmmm http://www.scionlife.com/forums/images/smiles/icon_redface.gif , I meant I wonder how much we'd benefit from getting rear disc brakes, the brakes seem pretty decent...

Im wondering how much it would cost to get a full body wax on a Tuesday night... did I just type that aloud, how ummmmm http://www.scionlife.com/forums/images/smiles/icon_redface.gif , I meant I wonder how much we'd benefit from getting rear disc brakes, the brakes seem pretty decent...

Oh no problem, this massage parlor I frequent does a full body wax for ummm....I mean, big brake kits will literally run you at least a good $1200 for a decent kit...regardless, I'd be happy to just slap on some TRD kit ($$$$) or just take the brake kit off another Toyota.

Hmm...anyone know if the Co-ro-ra (thats Corolla in JDM Speak) S has rear disc brakes?

unless you are running forced induction of some sort, big brake kits really don't make sense. most kits out there are more for show that go (or stop) and add even more weight. resist the tempation and instead find a quality rotor with forged aluminum calipers.
right now, i am trying to find out if some of the lightweight brake kits being offered for the Miata could work for the Scions. from experience, goodwinracing's brake kit is phenomenal.
http://www.good-win-racing.com/goodwinracing_012.htm

The Vitz Turbo RS' brake setup would probably be the best all-in-one brake upgrade since it's designed to work together from the factory, and since it's OEM, you know it's quality stuff. The Turbo RS has got larger vented rotors up front, and rear solid rotors in the back.

Hey Van :lol: whats up buddy :)

First post and guess what, its a brake related post. I just got done setting up all our cars for SEMA and in the middle of all of this, brought up the fact that I m getting a Scion to my Wilwood guy and he told me that they have a new front kit that is being released early next month. Its not going to be the 6 pot like we are seeing on the SEMA cars but instead they are going with the forged superlite 4 pot. Its a good thing because they will be less expensive.

They did tell me they are making a new caliper with a mechanical e brake attatched to it so you know what that means. I ll be making a rear kit as soon as its available :)

talked to owner off blue xb that was at sema last year. he ahs wilwood kit on his
says it has saved his ___ at least twice so im sold and as stillen say
IF SPEED KILLS DO BRAKES GIVE LIFE! but van is correct it must be done properly

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid83/pba80658e9708591a4e02b755b63cc44f/fad6f675.jpg http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid83/pebe8c891baa0aa3d1127d061cfa8cbcb/fad6f6c0.jpg http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid83/pc2e2dff2d20629de50bf6fd8c8fa2212/fad6eb4f.jpg

Nice car brother. What size wheel and what offset are you running? I noticed you have a 3mm spacer as well.

Anyhow, that rear kit it not going to be available to the public. It is a track/show piece only as it does not incorporate an emergency brake. But i guess you already know that :P

Nice car brother. What size wheel and what offset are you running? I noticed you have a 3mm spacer as well.

Anyhow, that rear kit it not going to be available to the public. It is a track/show piece only as it does not incorporate an emergency brake. But i guess you already know that :P

its not my car it is one that i found here http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2506&sid=b3191eb0c522683112eec24fcf4bd824

Gotcha :wink:

talked to owner off blue xb that was at sema last year. he ahs wilwood kit on his
says it has saved his ___ at least twice so im sold

you talkin about robert? he lives next door to me. the xB is touring japan right now.
i love the kit as well, but am concerned about price!

l. garcia 8)

talked to owner off blue xb that was at sema last year. he ahs wilwood kit on his
says it has saved his ___ at least twice so im sold and as stillen say
IF SPEED KILLS DO BRAKES GIVE LIFE! but van is correct it must be done properly

I think every Scion at SEMA had Wilwoods.

Yes, I am new. Take it easy on us in the cold, we just got them here. I'm searching for an answer on the rear disk kit. Can't seem to find one. (one that would include E-Brake would be the only worth while.) I know the brakes work well, but I'm not sure I could send the wife out in nice rims (when all this snow melts) and still respect her if it's showing those dinky little drums. :)

2nd question: why do car manf.'s still make drum brakes?

i wanna see a nice big ___ stoptech setup...

These 2 cars are to small to worry about a large brake upgrade....your wasting your money.......all we need is to get better braking is...upgrading to stainless steal brake lines and better brake pads....you really dont need to rotors....what a waste of money for this type of car

no thanx, the car wont be going 150+ mph, so I dont think I need the big brakes... the lil ones on there seem to do a good job for my driving style...

I voted no, carbon/kevlar pads on the front make a huge improvement. Stainless hoses next.....

Style points? Huge brakes are cool..... and the little drums look stupid but.... Extra unsprung weight and more rotating mass to accelerate-No thanks. I can do much more with the $$ than a big brake set up would gain.

HP and handling are KING..... Screw the BLING!!!

ken

Assuming you want to run bigger brakes for their real intended reason: better stopping, then there's more to adding them than just bolting on, well, bigger brakes. Most of the SEMA show cars had huge Wilwoods bolted on front and rear, but the master cylinder and the rest of the brake system were not addressed, and thus, the cars really do not stop any better than stock. If anything, I would even assume (and have been confirmed by someone who actually has driven those cars) that they stop worse than stock. But then again, if the only driving you're doing is on and off the trailer between shows, then that's not a big concern. Honestly, until someone has REALLY exceeded the limits of their stock brake system, there's no real need to worry about upgrading. And how do you know you've exceeded the limits? Well, if you have to ask that question, then you haven't exceeded it yet! >HAHAHA< :)

Just a quick point on brake upgrades. It is not always necessary to change the master cylinder or add a proportioning valve when disks/calipers are upgraded. It's all in the design of the system and the components chosen.

Brake system design is a pretty deep subject and is not easily mastered. I have read several good books on the subject but still don't know enough to build a max performance system from the ground up.

ken

I'd stay away from Wilwoods also. I know peeps that have had bad luck w/ them. They look cool, but why risk your life and the others around you.

I guess I would just upgrade the rotors more then the whole caliper kit. Our pads alone are real premium pads and the calipers are fine. I really would just want some vented/crossdrilled to help it out. I WOULD be interested in a rear disc set-up! :D

Im trying to find out if there is a market in Big Brakes. Realistically, what would you pay for HIGH Quality big brakes.

Lets say the kit is a front and rear kit with 4 pots.

4pots on a 2,300 pound car?

no thanks

maybe some minor upgrades to the front, and a rear disc conversion would be nice though.

Yeah, I'm not all that sure on a big brake upgrade, like Brembo or Willwood or Stoptech, but I wouldn't mind having larger rotors. The others listed are a little too big, but the stocks are too small. Can't we have something that is in the middle? I've heard a few other people talk about the Corolla brakes fitting, but I don't know if anyone has tried it.

I would though, like to see a rear disk brake conversion, just because of looks. I don't like the way that drums look, compared to disk. It should be functional, obviously, but I just want it to look better.

are there any plans for a rear disc conversion? I would take in it in a second. :D

Yeah, stay away from Wilwood. I run them on my Scion, my s2000 race car, my dads 03 sc430 and my bros 03 civic SI and on my old miata. I would never run them again :roll:


None of my cars require a proportioning valve, risidual valves or any type of balancing tools. All of them, minus the scion, also retain the factory bias. The Scion is still a little nose grabby because of the drum set up in the rear. Once we finish the rear disc conversion kit WITH e brake:) everything will be much better.

I d also like to point out that every kit is also a lot lighter their factory counter parts. Even the scion big brake kit is lighter than stock.

a big brake kit for $500 or less msrp will never be possible that includes rotors, pads, discs, lines, calipers, and the whole nine.