The new four-door Tundra WILL eventually be available with an 8' bed. This places the truck at 24' 8" long, the longest Toyota truck ever. The width will be 79.9" wide. Initially the truck will not be available with the 8' bed, but expect it at some point after the release of the quad cab.

The gasoline engine, a 5.7L V8, will be rated at 410Hp and the towing capacity will be 11,000 lbs.

410 hp!!! Holy Crap! That spanks the pants off even the mighty Titan's 305 or something like that. Now if only we could get toyota to put this engine in a 2 door IS 570! HEHE...

gass guzzler?!?!?!?

A Diesel Engine Option with a Manual Tranny would be nice, and they should offer a Diesel in the Tacoma too!

Sounds sexy. :P

put that engine in to a RWD 2dr and get it out before the Camaro...which shouldnt be hard since they said early 2009.

I talk with a rep. from caterpillar, and he told me when the restrictions on diesel become lifted in mid-2007 that toyota will run a caterpillar engine in the tundra. That is what the rest of the world is running now from what he told me.

gass guzzler?!?!?!?
People that need to tow that much don't have many options. Diesel gets better milage, but, at about 30-40 cents/gallon more than regular, is it really worth it?

Not to mention the prohibitive measures CA and the 4 states that followed their lead put into place for 2007. However, someone here seems to think that they are going to be lifted mid-year? That doesn't seem to make much sense, if it's possible, I'd like to hear some more details.

My bad, my fingers were typing faster than my brain was reacting. I did not mean to say lifetd, The EPA's 2007 highway act will be implimented for a 3 year phase-in of dielsel and commercial truck to be able to run a cleaner diesel with less sulfur. From what I have read and have been told that is what most of the rest of the world's diesel engines run. So that is what toyota is setting up for. Again, sorry for the slip.

410 hp!!! Holy Crap! That spanks the pants off even the mighty Titan's 305 or something like that. Now if only we could get toyota to put this engine in a 2 door IS 570! HEHE...

put that engine in to a RWD 2dr and get it out before the Camaro...which shouldnt be hard since they said early 2009.

Hope y'all aren't planning on turning any corners with this dream car of yours.Sounds like a nose-heavy snow plow.

Great all we need is rednecks with bigger trucks. Everybody has either a full size pickup or SUV around here. They dont fit in the parking spots, but do they care! No they just keep making them bigger. If they required a special license for big trucks I would love them.

Well, they confirmed that it would have MORE than 350 when it launched. They are keeping their eyes on the new Silverado. That will be huge, figuratively at least.

And last week we had the CAT Power NASCAR Camry in our showroom. If anyone needed a more blatant hint as to whom will be building our deisels, there ya go.

What happened to there hybrid truck? FTX???!?!?

What happened to there hybrid truck? FTX???!?!?
I don't imagine that it's gone anywhere. But I also imagine that it won't be comming out until a year or two after the initial release of this thing.

FYI, Toyota planners, managers, and engineers spent a lot of time in Texas going to state fairs, tailgates, and worksites to see how people are using their trucks (in addition to a few other truck centric locals). They aren't playing around anymore, and this one will hurt the big 3 bad. If it weren't for "Buy American" clauses in a lot of corporate charters, it would hurt them 10 times worse.

The hybrid will debut with the Super Duty (1 ton) when it comes out the next year. Keep in mind, the truck that we are talkign about here is technically our HALF TON truck, which is just silly.

Can't wait for the power, the gas lowering rear tailgate, and the looks on Ford owner's faces.

Ha!

flintgauge86 wrote:
410 hp!!! Holy Crap! That spanks the pants off even the mighty Titan's 305 or something like that. Now if only we could get toyota to put this engine in a 2 door IS 570! HEHE...


YourNameHere wrote:
put that engine in to a RWD 2dr and get it out before the Camaro...which shouldnt be hard since they said early 2009.


Hope y'all aren't planning on turning any corners with this dream car of yours.Sounds like a nose-heavy snow plow.

Why would you say that? The old Camaro had a 5.7 liter V8 and the new GTO is a 6.0 V8. Of course it wouldn't be an auto cross car, but it would haul butt.

yea really..its not like it would be the 1st RWD v8....someone should tell the corvette guys a V8 up front is a bad idea

410hp sounds hard to believe, where did this info come from?

flintgauge86 wrote:
410 hp!!! Holy Crap! That spanks the pants off even the mighty Titan's 305 or something like that. Now if only we could get toyota to put this engine in a 2 door IS 570! HEHE...


YourNameHere wrote:
put that engine in to a RWD 2dr and get it out before the Camaro...which shouldnt be hard since they said early 2009.


Hope y'all aren't planning on turning any corners with this dream car of yours.Sounds like a nose-heavy snow plow.

Why would you say that? The old Camaro had a 5.7 liter V8 and the new GTO is a 6.0 V8. Of course it wouldn't be an auto cross car, but it would haul butt.

Because taking an engine from a truck where weight isn't an issue and putting it into a car seems like a bad idea.

flintgauge86 wrote:
410 hp!!! Holy Crap! That spanks the pants off even the mighty Titan's 305 or something like that. Now if only we could get toyota to put this engine in a 2 door IS 570! HEHE...


YourNameHere wrote:
put that engine in to a RWD 2dr and get it out before the Camaro...which shouldnt be hard since they said early 2009.


Hope y'all aren't planning on turning any corners with this dream car of yours.Sounds like a nose-heavy snow plow.

Why would you say that? The old Camaro had a 5.7 liter V8 and the new GTO is a 6.0 V8. Of course it wouldn't be an auto cross car, but it would haul butt.

Because taking an engine from a truck where weight isn't an issue and putting it into a car seems like a bad idea.

GM has been doing it for years hahaha... they love to put the heavy v8's upfront

The big difference is that our engine will be a LIGHT V8. Aluminum vs. Iron, guys.

More than likely, the 5.7L will use the same block as the 4.7L, just bored and stroked.

flintgauge86 wrote:
410 hp!!! Holy Crap! That spanks the pants off even the mighty Titan's 305 or something like that. Now if only we could get toyota to put this engine in a 2 door IS 570! HEHE...


YourNameHere wrote:
put that engine in to a RWD 2dr and get it out before the Camaro...which shouldnt be hard since they said early 2009.


Hope y'all aren't planning on turning any corners with this dream car of yours.Sounds like a nose-heavy snow plow.

Why would you say that? The old Camaro had a 5.7 liter V8 and the new GTO is a 6.0 V8. Of course it wouldn't be an auto cross car, but it would haul butt.

Because taking an engine from a truck where weight isn't an issue and putting it into a car seems like a bad idea.

GM has been doing it for years hahaha... they love to put the heavy v8's upfront

In what cars? The Corvette/Camaro/Cadillac V-series/GTO engines are all very light engines. Not to mention, they're not made for trucks, then put into cars. They're made to be put into cars in the first place.

The big difference is that our engine will be a LIGHT V8. Aluminum vs. Iron, guys.

More than likely, the 5.7L will use the same block as the 4.7L, just bored and stroked.

DOHC engines are not light weight. Any weight gained from aluminum will be lost right back with DOHC. Its going to be heavy. GM does make some aluminum truck engines too.

Just so you know the 5.7 will get 4.7 mileage...that is the key!!

also....the stats are limited by DOT regulations and the new tundra will be on the line of those regulations, cab size and such...We just passed FORD....soon toyota will be King!!!

So you're saying GM can make a nig dispacement front mounted V8 2door sports car work and Toyota Can't? Come on.... Just imagine the supra with this engine Naturally aspirated, with some of the weight shifted to the back to help balance it out (ie, battery, gas tank... plus the heavier tranny and rear end to handle the power). It would definately work, and haul like none other!

I only say that because GM has been doing it for over 50 years, while Toyota has never done it at all.

hate to burst anyone's bubble, but the tundra will NOT have a 410hp engine.

it's 383hp. which is still awesome.

DUAL VVT-i, BABY!!!!

The big difference is that our engine will be a LIGHT V8. Aluminum vs. Iron, guys.

More than likely, the 5.7L will use the same block as the 4.7L, just bored and stroked.

DOHC engines are not light weight. Any weight gained from aluminum will be lost right back with DOHC. Its going to be heavy. GM does make some aluminum truck engines too.

DOHC engines have fewer parts than pushrod engines, which is what GM uses. Our current Tundra is one of the lightest trucks on the market. I don't think that will change with the new one.

And efocus is right, the new 5.7 will achieve the mileage of the current 4.7, while the new 4.7 will get better fuel economy. Gotta love Dual VVT-i.

If toyota puts a Diesel engine in a tundra, they will become the #1 selling automaker. The only thing Toyota lacks is a powerful diesel flatbed with significant towing capacity.

The big difference is that our engine will be a LIGHT V8. Aluminum vs. Iron, guys.

More than likely, the 5.7L will use the same block as the 4.7L, just bored and stroked.

DOHC engines are not light weight. Any weight gained from aluminum will be lost right back with DOHC. Its going to be heavy. GM does make some aluminum truck engines too.

DOHC engines have fewer parts than pushrod engines, which is what GM uses. Our current Tundra is one of the lightest trucks on the market. I don't think that will change with the new one.

And efocus is right, the new 5.7 will achieve the mileage of the current 4.7, while the new 4.7 will get better fuel economy. Gotta love Dual VVT-i.

Its lighter because its smaller. And pushrod engines are much smaller for the same displacement and they have fewer parts then DOHC engines.

If toyota puts a Diesel engine in a tundra, they will become the #1 selling automaker. The only thing Toyota lacks is a powerful diesel flatbed with significant towing capacity.

And a customer base for heavy duty trucks.

Diesel is a great Option for Trucks as the Gas Mileage is much better and a Diesel Engine lasts longer than a regular gas burning one.

Don't forget, this new 5.7l is gonna be a 6speed auto tranny. MPG will be close to, if not the same as the current 4.7. Also, the diesel market in the US is only about 18%. Toyota hasn't really needed to produce a diesel due to the small portion of the diesel market. The 4.7l already out torques the domestic guys, which we all know is where your towing capacity comes from. :lalala:

If toyota puts a Diesel engine in a tundra, they will become the #1 selling automaker. The only thing Toyota lacks is a powerful diesel flatbed with significant towing capacity.

And a customer base for heavy duty trucks.

The reason Toyota is not stepping in the heavy truck (3/4 ton +) is that over 70% of light truck sales are 1/2 tons... look at the progression of the T-100... if I had to guess... the evolution of the N/G (next generation) Tundra will be similar...

For those of you in the northwest, there will be a N/G Tundra on display at the Puyallup Fair ( www.thefair.com ) this year...

Don't forget, this new 5.7l is gonna be a 6speed auto tranny. MPG will be close to, if not the same as the current 4.7. Also, the diesel market in the US is only about 18%. Toyota hasn't really needed to produce a diesel due to the small portion of the diesel market. The 4.7l already out torques the domestic guys, which we all know is where your towing capacity comes from. :lalala:

I hope they offer a manual, most of the people I know who are in that customer base want a manual. As for diesels, we're supposed to get them all around 08.

I'd love to rock a Tundra, but I dont do moon rovers.

You hear that Nissan, 410 horsepower, do your magic with the Titan!

The 4.7l already out torques the domestic guys, which we all know is where your towing capacity comes from. :lalala:

That's only part of the equation - towing capacity is more a function of frame capacity then engine power. That's what limited the 4Runner's towing cap - the last crossmember in the frame was too short to accomodate a longer tow hitch, which hindered the tow cap.

Diesels should start to show up in cars soon too if gas prices continue to stay high. You get kick butt Low End Torque with great mileage. VW makes some nice Cars with Diesels and I think the list will grow.

I'm guessing we're going to start seeing a lot more diesels now that the US is switching to Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel. Now that they'll be able to pass emissions, there's no reason not to bring them.

Thats my guess too, once the new standards are in place in 07 or 08 there is no reason not to. I think its like 60 % of vehicles sold in Europe are Diesel Powered as Gas prices are so high.

I hope they offer a manual, most of the people I know who are in that customer base want a manual. As for diesels, we're supposed to get them all around 08.

I'd love to rock a Tundra, but I dont do moon rovers.

You hear that Nissan, 410 horsepower, do your magic with the Titan!

That's because you're 16, and 16 y.o. don't buy $40,000 dollar rigs...on average. We old men do, and we don't like shifting anymore. There's a reason that GM went to Allison for their HD trucks...they make the best tranny in world, and it's auto.

Sticks are great for sports driving, but just a pain in the butt for towing. However, about 80% of 1/2 ton trucks are used as oversized luxury cars 80% of the time. And you don't have sticks in luxury cars either....except sport luxury cars.

The reason for diesel's popularity in Europe is huge tax breaks.
Right now, diesel runs at least .10 more a gallon in this area, the switch to Low Sulfur will only raise that, so don't expect a wave of oil burners on our streets.

The reason for diesel's popularity in Europe is huge tax breaks.
Right now, diesel runs at least .10 more a gallon in this area, the switch to Low Sulfur will only raise that, so don't expect a wave of oil burners on our streets.

Thats true. I think if you look at the diesel popularities and split it according to country the ones with high gas taxes buy diesel the ones with lower gas tax buy more gas.

The reason for diesel's popularity in Europe is huge tax breaks.
Right now, diesel runs at least .10 more a gallon in this area, the switch to Low Sulfur will only raise that, so don't expect a wave of oil burners on our streets.

Diesel run at or below the price of 87 Octane in my Area, the price may climb slightly after the switch, but if your gas mileage greatly increases, it will easily offset the extra few pennies. European Countries dont offer any tax breaks, they have huge tax on there fuel, that is one of the reasons why people choose Diesels.

When I went to Italy, almost every car I saw was turbo diesel...and manual. I heard that the only people there that drive auto are the ones that have to, i.e. missing an arm or leg. also the gas prices (in december of last year) were about $6-$7 a gallon, I dint see diesel. I'd love a lil t/d car, esp when the price is about the same around here, diesel is even cheaper at some stations!

Diesel runs usually runs anywhere from .10 less up to even with 87 Octane around here.

The reason for diesel's popularity in Europe is huge tax breaks.
Right now, diesel runs at least .10 more a gallon in this area, the switch to Low Sulfur will only raise that, so don't expect a wave of oil burners on our streets.

Maybe if you completely ignore the fact that diesels get much better gas mileage than gassers, then your statement would make sense. It's like the people that put regular gas in their premium cars to save money. Completely short-sighted.

i thought the corvette was a pushrod motor... ?

The reason for diesel's popularity in Europe is huge tax breaks.
Right now, diesel runs at least .10 more a gallon in this area, the switch to Low Sulfur will only raise that, so don't expect a wave of oil burners on our streets.

Maybe if you completely ignore the fact that diesels get much better gas mileage than gassers, then your statement would make sense. It's like the people that put regular gas in their premium cars to save money. Completely short-sighted.

The time it takes to amortize the price difference for the extra cost of a diesel does not make it a magic bullet. I wish we had more diesels, they have the same performance, or sometimes better than gas. But you can't completely ignore the fact that they cost more initially. With diesel running the same price as regular, how long would it take to outweigh the extra $2000 it takes to get one? It's not, check the diesel option and start saving big bucks is all I am trying to say.

The big difference is that our engine will be a LIGHT V8. Aluminum vs. Iron, guys.

More than likely, the 5.7L will use the same block as the 4.7L, just bored and stroked.the 2uz and 1uz for that matter are iron block v8s.

The reason for diesel's popularity in Europe is huge tax breaks.
Right now, diesel runs at least .10 more a gallon in this area, the switch to Low Sulfur will only raise that, so don't expect a wave of oil burners on our streets.

Maybe if you completely ignore the fact that diesels get much better gas mileage than gassers, then your statement would make sense. It's like the people that put regular gas in their premium cars to save money. Completely short-sighted.

The time it takes to amortize the price difference for the extra cost of a diesel does not make it a magic bullet. I wish we had more diesels, they have the same performance, or sometimes better than gas. But you can't completely ignore the fact that they cost more initially. With diesel running the same price as regular, how long would it take to outweigh the extra $2000 it takes to get one? It's not, check the diesel option and start saving big bucks is all I am trying to say.

The Diesel option is less than 2 Grand and the more it is in use the less the cost will be, plus the time you will gain back that up front money will not take very long as mileage is so much better with a Diesel. The Engine is also very heavy duty and will outlast a conventional engine, so your long term outlook would be even better.

All true... long term is the key...... But, how many folks keep a vehicle long term anymore?

It would not take long to overcome the cost and I believe people are keeping cars longer than ever today. The longest I kept a Vehicle was 11 Years and would still have it if it did not get lost in an accident, right now I have had 2 since 2000 and 1 since 1998, all going strong.

I was at a truck course for toyota and one of the guys said that he couldn't say "officially" but the new truck engine was going to be about 425 HP. He would be the guy to know cause he has been working with the new trucks for a while now!

I get to drive the new Tundra tomorrow, but here's what I can tell you without getting into serious crap:

5.7L = dual VVT-i, ALL ALUMINUM, ALL NEW
10.5" diameter rear ring in the differential
0-60 in the 6.5 second range

More to follow if I can. They are pretty serious about this confidentiality stuff.

But seeing as how the truck will be at SEMA, I'm sure there will be more info prior to that, at at least then.

I get to drive the new Tundra tomorrow, but here's what I can tell you without getting into serious crap:

5.7L = dual VVT-i, ALL ALUMINUM, ALL NEW
10.5" diameter rear ring in the differential
0-60 in the 6.5 second range

More to follow if I can. They are pretty serious about this confidentiality stuff.

But seeing as how the truck will be at SEMA, I'm sure there will be more info prior to that, at at least then.

What bigger engine do they have on the way? Sounds more like a HD truck with that axle.

You are exactly right on that one, emiller. The componentry on this truck matches or exceeds the specs on our competitors' HD/Super Duty stuff. There may be a diesel on the way, but the frame and drivetrain won't have to change much, if at all.

wth !! 410 hp .. my 2002 has 245 what happened??

man i wish mine was 410 T_T sigh...

Independantly controlled Dual VVTi, 5.7L, and variable intake manifold happened.

And honestly, doesn't your 2002 feel like more than 245? It's cause it is, but Toyota is notoriously modest.

You are exactly right on that one, emiller. The componentry on this truck matches or exceeds the specs on our competitors' HD/Super Duty stuff. There may be a diesel on the way, but the frame and drivetrain won't have to change much, if at all.

Since Toyota doesnt have a huge truck production it would be smart to build something that fits the 1/2 up to 1 ton with as much common parts as possible. They just dont have the volume at this time to build multiple frames affordably. 10.5 with a diesel :no: Id guess its a 3/4 ton with a lager gas engine.

We can always build a bigger rear end if we need it. Or we can jigger around with the transmission to get the right amount of torque transfer.

Either way, times are exciting for Toyota Trucks.