View Full Version : My main problem with the 2008 xB that was shown in Miami


RBasil
12-23-2006, 02:15 AM
Even though I didn't get to see it, from what I understand the 2008 xB shown in Miami had a body kit designed by 5Axis. Sure you can order the kit from your dealer (from what I have been told) but what about the stock xB? I sure hope they show the stock xB in Chicago.

ootsae
12-23-2006, 02:24 AM
I thougt 5axis helped designed the new xb, and that was shown to be the next xb.

RBasil
12-23-2006, 02:26 AM
I thougt 5axis helped designed the new xb, and that was shown to be the next xb.

What was shown was not the stock xB, but the stock xB with a lot of extras that you will be able to order from the dealer. The stock xB still has not been shown.

TheScionicMan
12-25-2006, 08:24 AM
Yeah, it was kinda weird that it had already been modded and they didn't really say what had been changed. Maybe that's to keep peeps guessing. One thing that stuck with me was a large indent on the back of that wide D pillar. It almost looked like the D pillar window could have been filled as part of the mod... or maybe it was just a place to put a speaker...

SquallLHeart
12-25-2006, 08:47 AM
you do realize that fiveaxis has built alot of cars right?

the t2B and the Fuse? yeah... that was them too...

seriously... chill out. when the time comes.. it will.

jwaj2002
12-25-2006, 08:54 AM
I think those indentions in the plastic were storage, like the jeeps have, and the body kit I think most likely was just the two peice lip on the rear and front, as well as the heads and fogs, and I hope those butt ugly tails, they said what brand exhaust it had but I forget

CBSIMONSEZ
12-25-2006, 11:36 PM
The tails were mok ups. The plastic was too thin and was painted red. My guess is that they werent ready yet and Scion or 5Axis just put something in there.

The Exhaust i believe was a 5 Axis design

The lip was the only thing added to the box that was 5 Axis, i believe.

The interior, the C pillars .... yeah, i wasnt impressed with those much, but it gives me lots of ideas as to what i can shove in there.

jwaj2002
12-26-2006, 12:29 AM
well the front and rear had lips, I'm thinking the skirts are part of the kit as well, I'm hoping it doesn't come with those half projector heads

shorberg
12-27-2006, 02:14 PM
I think the dual pipes coming out of a single muffler is the new stock exhaust. it looked nice for stock, but not cool enough for an upgrade . . .

jwaj2002
12-27-2006, 11:51 PM
it was an upgrade

Townsend_xB
12-28-2006, 04:40 AM
Templin said while everyone was rushing over to the cars that they both had a body kit designed by 5-Axis, and that it would be available through Optomize, so while your dealer can get it for you I dont believe it can be financed...

I cancelled my FJ to get the new xB and Iam hoping that the body kit doesnt change too much....

jwaj2002
12-28-2006, 04:51 AM
it can be financed, I was talking to rado and hes got a new turbo coming out for the tc/new xb/xd that will be able to be financed with the car and be covered under a toyota warranty and everything, everything we saw on that car we can get and finance through toyota with the car, but I'm betting that car was probably set up around 22k

Townsend_xB
12-28-2006, 06:12 AM
I am pretty sure you cannot finance a turbo or super. Doing so changes the emissions... You can not finance a tC supercharger, even if you order it on the car you have to pay cash for it. Emissions is the same reason you cant finance cold air intakes.

jwaj2002
12-28-2006, 11:57 AM
hm must just be arkansas then because you can finance all of the dealer options including the trd supecharger

shorberg
12-28-2006, 02:01 PM
arkansas . . . it's not cool to speak in absolutes when you aren't able to have that knowledge yet. just let it rest that you "heard" something. this is how rumors get started, and then you look silly when the product actually comes out different that what you claimed to "know".

it's cool though, do as you wish, but you'll eventually make yourself look ignorant. and yes, even in arkansas the TRD supercharger can not be financed into your TFS loan. It's not the dealership who makes that decision. The bank makes that call, and TFS nationwide will not finance the option. Technically the dealer cannot even install it beforehand. Yes, there are ways around all of this, but the rule is that you cannot finance the supercharger into a loan from TFS.

and how do you know the exhaust was an upgrade?!? do you already have the brochure for 08? and if so, i would like a copy to go along with my national enquirer! remember when you are in forum that the things you say don't have inflection and you may have meant "I think it is an upgrade" or you may have meant "I know for sure that this is an upgrade so quit speculating because I already know everything and no one shall question my absolute power" see what I mean. It all depends on how someone reads it, so you have to be more specific on how you say things, otherwise you can come off as rude.

's all for now!
1) arkansas doesn't know anything about the exhaust we don't already know.
2) TFS may change their policy, and arkansas may know something we don't, but for know you still gotta pay cash for your supercharger . .. even in arkansas!
3) be cool, and remember there is no inflection on the internet!

;)

shorberg
12-28-2006, 02:07 PM
Templin said while everyone was rushing over to the cars that they both had a body kit designed by 5-Axis, and that it would be available through Optomize, so while your dealer can get it for you I dont believe it can be financed...

I cancelled my FJ to get the new xB and Iam hoping that the body kit doesnt change too much....

As a dealer and someone who actually does this for a living, let me try and offer my opinion. We sell Optomize things now and can finance them into your current loan. The only parts we can't technically do through TFS are CAI and the supercharger. Other than that, whatever your credit and income support your dealer should be able to help out with. Heck, if you really wanted to and had the credit to do it, I could sell you and xB and cut you a check for $20,000 on top of it all and just send you out with a loan for $35,000. It's not smart, but it can be done.

I as well am hoping the box doesn't change much. I will own the new xB if TFS will have me again, lol!

jwaj2002
12-28-2006, 11:49 PM
well I don't think theres actually anyone in arkansas that has the trd supercharger, but they did offer to finance it for my dad when he bought his tc(he didn't want the SC) I could have financed every option they offer simply because arkansas has no emissions laws, no inspections none of that bs

RBasil
12-29-2006, 12:27 AM
it's cool though, do as you wish, but you'll eventually make yourself look ignorant. and yes, even in arkansas the TRD supercharger can not be financed into your TFS loan.

Because we all know everyone uses TFS for their Scion loan. :lalala: You might want to practice what you preach and not "assume" he was talking about a TFS loan. :P

jwaj2002
12-29-2006, 12:37 AM
yea I wasn't going to point that out though Basil

shorberg
12-29-2006, 12:26 PM
no, that is why i was very specific about the actual rules set forth by scion. i am merely clarifying what townsedn_xb meant when she said you couldn't finance it at all. the truth is that you cannot finance it with TFS. perhaps jwaj2002 had enough money down or equity to cover these parts when he bought his car which would be one of many explanations why he asuumes that you can finance anything you want in arkansas. i am simply trying to explain that it has nothing to do with the state, the emissions laws, or the dealership . . . you aren't supposed to finance a trd supercharger or trd cai with TFS.

so shorberg:

1) isn't assuming anything. i am clarifying what another member meant to say
2) (assuming) arkansas does have inspections, don't they?! (not the it pertains to this, just curious.)

Townsend_xB
12-29-2006, 03:46 PM
Dont let my avatar fool you lol, I was just lucky enough to have a couple of nice girls from hooters pose on my car. Emissions in a state has nothing to do with it, Im just saying that regardless of what option or loan you take you are still technically paying cash for any item that would change emissions on your car. New Mexico doesnt have emissions checks but I still can't finance the CAI on my xB.

I didn't reply in this thread to get a flame war going, it was motly to point out that Templin said the body kits would be available through Optomize, which so far to me has been a dud. I saw the dual exhaust but I would be willing to bet that it is an upgrade.

I canceled my FJ for the new xB, and I have plenty of money at the dealer... if only the damn catalog would come out already so I could start accounting for where some of that money will be going :D

shorberg
12-29-2006, 03:58 PM
<--- anti flame

sorry for any flame that may have been perceived. I think you are all good friendly people.

my intentions are to dispell rumors and incorrect statements. :)

RBasil
12-29-2006, 04:05 PM
<--- anti flame

sorry for any flame that may have been perceived. I think you are all good friendly people.

my intentions are to dispell rumors and incorrect statements. :)

No worries at all bro, thanks for the info and any education you can give us from a dealers standpoint. :)

shorberg
12-29-2006, 04:08 PM
word!

jwaj2002
12-30-2006, 02:28 AM
actually the only option I got was a 5 speed and cruise(the dealership here where I bought mine considers the 5 speed an option because they don't order them that way) but I could have gotten and financed the AEM CAI and the TRD Exhaust, but I didn't want a $500 hunk of scrap under my hood, or a weedwacker exhaust

shorberg
12-30-2006, 02:07 PM
ok . . . :lalala:

nevermind, i won't even touch that one, lol.

jwaj2002
12-31-2006, 12:41 AM
what can I say, your dealership (your the one that Rob buys from right?) is better then landers, the salespeople treat their customers (atleast the ones that don't show up wearing a suit, and own 4 or 5 platinum credit cards) like crap, and they don't order a single standard transmission vehicle therefor they consider a stick an "option" I'm not saying they charge extra for it or anything just means you have to wait alot longer to get a toyota product with a stick then an auto

Jbad
12-31-2006, 05:40 AM
I agree about Landers. Bought from them too. Arkansas doesn't have any inspections - to answer a previous question.

jwaj2002
12-31-2006, 05:57 AM
landers sucks, and thats putting it gently, they treated my parents like crap when they went to buy 2 toyotas, they treated me like crap too, if your buying in central arkansas buy north point

shorberg
01-01-2007, 06:06 AM
sorry to hear the local daeler doesn't hold up in your book, but i have heard that about just about every dealer from someone at some point including my own. hey, not everyone will be happy all the time and there is always bound to be someone who is upset. nonetheless, if you do need some service from a toyota or scion dealer, feel free to drive to springfield, i'll be glad to help out.

jwaj2002
01-01-2007, 06:46 AM
lol yea I'd have to take a few days off to do that Shorberg, it just isn't practical, I'm going to drive the 120+ miles round trip to north point, and have the good techs, that know about cars, and not bicycles, work on my car, the ones that actually give a crap about the customers, even if one of them is a traitor for driving a skyline

ScionEyes
01-01-2007, 07:00 AM
ok ok now boys... I 2 work for a dealer, I am the scion manager and the inventory manager..

shorburg is correct in all that he has said with the scion ways.. its the dealers that don't know crap about what scion is really about that are doing stuff wrong, and i feel sorry for the lad that purchases a scion and does some upgraded supercharger cold air thing and then something goes wrong...

but who knows....

some one was saying in Miami that they don't have cruise control as an option in the scions in other regions but why do we have it here in the set region>>??????

i can't wait to see what the xB looks like stock.... maybe we can win a trip to chicago.... to see it 2.????

Happy New Year!
:Queen: B

jwaj2002
01-01-2007, 07:08 AM
that would be cool, but I wouldn't go, I can't take anymore time off for that, I'd love to see factory cruise on the scions, much like the old celicas had with the buttons actually on the wheel, not on a stick that either moves with the wheel (tc) or stays stuck to the colum (xb) I'd like to see it on the wheel itself, like in many, many other cars

shorberg
01-02-2007, 03:13 PM
ok ok now boys... I 2 work for a dealer, I am the scion manager and the inventory manager..

shorburg is correct in all that he has said with the scion ways.. its the dealers that don't know crap about what scion is really about that are doing stuff wrong, and i feel sorry for the lad that purchases a scion and does some upgraded supercharger cold air thing and then something goes wrong...

but who knows....

some one was saying in Miami that they don't have cruise control as an option in the scions in other regions but why do we have it here in the set region>>??????

i can't wait to see what the xB looks like stock.... maybe we can win a trip to chicago.... to see it 2.????

Happy New Year!
:Queen: B

right on! if i understand the system right, SET and Gulf States are independantly owned like franchises essentially and do things a little differently. Toyota controls everything for it's dealers at the port, although GS and SET can pretty much do whatever they want. This is why you can sell cruise from the port and I cannot. I think you also have like chrome door handles and rocker panels and some other stuff . . . we don't do anything that isn't on the scion website as a scion genuine accessory from the port currently. this may change, but i doubt it. gulf states and set have always done things a little different, but it's because of their agreement with toyota. basically they have their own port that does whatever the guy who owns it tells them too.

Arakel
01-02-2007, 11:06 PM
and they don't order a single standard transmission vehicle therefor they consider a stick an "option" I'm not saying they charge extra for it or anything just means you have to wait alot longer to get a toyota product with a stick then an auto

That is pretty much true of just about any dealer you can name; Toyota stick shifts are manufactured in far fewer quantities than autos. They can be really hard to get hold of, especially if someone wants a specific colour. :)

jwaj2002
01-03-2007, 12:56 AM
I wasn't picky with color, I wanted cruise, and a five speed, thats it, still had a 2 week - 6 month wait

RBasil
01-03-2007, 04:04 AM
I was told a 2 week wait for a BSP 5 speed and got it in 10 days. :)

jwaj2002
01-03-2007, 04:10 AM
they gave me their xb to drive for 13 and a half days, I had to return it, they gave me an 04 neon that couldn't make right turns, you had to have the steering wheel turned full right to go straight, one cylinder didn't fire, the other three knocked, had about 250k miles on it, and was ragged out bad on the inside, I drove that for a day and a half, when they told me mine was in I burnt the front tires off of it hauling butt to the dealership, to get my bop 5 spd

Winter
01-04-2007, 07:01 PM
another thing to add on the sales side is that salesman can't really talk down about other vehicles. not because they don't know about them, but because it's not alowed, thats what i learned from teh sales business atleast. i kept vearing people away from the bad stuff and getting them the good and i was let go for it HAHA! they said i can't "talk down about other makes or models because it hurts the rep." i don't give a damn, i care about getting my customer a car that will make them happy, not a car that they will be comming back in a week with a butt ton of problems.

my sales potition was in the audio world so i can't say much about automotive sales BUT, i don't doubt that the same rule goes on there.