Would you consider a heavily power modded xB to be a sleeper? My definition of a sleeper being a car that accelerates quickly that doesn't look like it should. Like doing an engine swap and putting nos in a 1985 Buick Regal or something.

I ask because even driving a stock box, you get your share of streetlight racers who seem to itch to kill you. Or simply the punk in the civic with an exhast who tailgates you. It happens to all of us. I question if the public actually thinks that the xB has a more powerful engine in it, that they don't know the engine is somewhat underpowered.

Therefore, for a power-modded xB, basically, it would only be catching up to the publics expectations. Agree? No? Would you even WANT your power modded xB to be considered a sleeper, or is that a negative term considering how new the car is?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH - even after a turbo and nitrious, the box would be about as fast as an accord :P

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH/ Yes, I guess you could consider it a sleeper because sometimes I wonder if my engine is asleep when I stomp on the gas pedal. :lol:

Yes, it's a sleeper....problem is, it never wakes up!

I don't think it's a sleeper, in fact it is the exact opposite. It looks like its sporty and quick and thats why you've got the little jokers challenging you. If it was a sleeper, they wouldn't give it a second thought, until you blast by them.

Alright, alright, thread should have been titled differently. I meant it much more theoretically, far and beyond what anyone has done with the car.

I was more inquiring about perceptions about the car, what you think the public currently believes is under the hood (the car is still new, I meet people every day who havent seen one yet), if that preception becomes a reason to dream about modding it to that extreme... or okay... just simply WHY does it seem to ME at least (to answer my own questions)... that people seem to think the car is fast... perhaps they just know its slow as sh!t and that gives them reason to egg ya on...

Everytime someone posts something about a power mod in an xA/aB, at least one person flames them for idiocy, and I PREFER my box pretty much stock beyond entertainment mods, but everyone has a right to do what they want... what would be the motivating factor if not to make the car a "sleeper"?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH - even after a turbo and nitrious, the box would be about as fast as an accord :P

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH/ Yes, I guess you could consider it a sleeper because sometimes I wonder if my engine is asleep when I stomp on the gas pedal. :lol:
WHAT!?! the wife has a GTI 1.8t, and it gets 132HP to the ground.... not bad. It accelerates really nice, and is faster than the Camaro she traded it for (92 w/ 305) with just a turbo or supercharger the xB would put down 130 or so to the ground. The xB weighs a whole lot less than the GTI, so a F/I xB would be really quick. how much Hp do you want in the little car before you'd think it was quick?

Just a hunch, but I don't think people see the xB and assume it is a fast car. I also don't think it's performance is going to surprise anyone.

I think it's probably about as fast as people expect it would be. About average in it's class.

As far as making it a sleeper, I think you'd need an engine swap for that. There is only so much you can do with 1500 cc's. Even with a turbo or supercharger you're not going to be nipping at the heels of WRX's.

An xB with a 2ZZ-GE swap would be a sleeper. :shock: 8)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH - even after a turbo and nitrious, the box would be about as fast as an accord :P

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH/ Yes, I guess you could consider it a sleeper because sometimes I wonder if my engine is asleep when I stomp on the gas pedal. :lol:
WHAT!?! the wife has a GTI 1.8t, and it gets 132HP to the ground.... not bad. It accelerates really nice, and is faster than the Camaro she traded it for (92 w/ 305) with just a turbo or supercharger the xB would put down 130 or so to the ground. The xB weighs a whole lot less than the GTI, so a F/I xB would be really quick. how much Hp do you want in the little car before you'd think it was quick?

Are you kidding - most dynos put t5he xB anywhere from 92-97hp at the wheels - a near 40 hp gain from a supercharger on an engine this small is a PIPE DREAM. :roll:

To answer your question, people don't know what the hell to make of our boxes. For the light-to-light ricers, they see it as another kill story, which isn't a big accomplishment given our engines. But until word reaches ALL of the masses, you are going to have a lot of these L2L Ricers being stupid. In fact, I know a BCP that rolled down his window and told the ricer to move out of his way. The ricer didn't know what to make of being turned down and damn near hit the sidewalk while scratching his head.

Do they think that we could be sleepers? Sure, mostly because ignorance breeds fear. They don't know what the hell our boxes can do, so they prejudge and rev.

To our credit, there are 10+ second boxes (I forgot where I saw your track time pix bro.) and weekend warriors that run 16 seconds. I myself do a two minute run...to get cigarettes.

I'll say it again, Do they think that we could be sleepers? Sure, mostly because ignorance breeds fear.

Opinions?

i think the car handles well for what it looks like..
that itself is a sleeper!

most people under estimate the handling power of the xB..
u can spank them on turns LOL

With a turbo it deffinately helps push it closer to being labled as a sleeper. I mean it isn't fast but it's fast enough. Some of my kills with the turbo are a early 90's 5.0 V8 mustang, an F150, a ricer honda civic 5 speed, a lexus rx 330, and came close to beating a highly moddified v6 camaro 5 speed at 100mph he started pulling me.

I was on an 1/8 drag and beat two hondas. My fastest time was quicker than 3/4 of the cars out there. I have caught a lot of cars off guard when I take off.

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A car has to be fast to be a sleeper!

As for Buick Regals, perhaps you should look up Buick T-type and Grand National and GNX, they made insanely fast Turbo V6 ones in the 80s that will nearly rip every muscle car to shreds. Some dude at my school had a Grand National and with 4 fat dudes in a car he lit up that parking lot with 2 massive black tire marks. It was insane.

Hey MATCHBOX! Is that a 10.7 1/8th mile with your supercharger?

I say drop in the corolla 1.8L & supercharge that. Put a header on it to. You would have almost the same HP as the celica 1.8L but you will have that power lower in the rev range. Also you would have way more TQ then the celica so you could pull hard from down low also. That would make a sleeper. Also to keep a car in the frame of sleeper it needs to look as close to stock as can be.

I have only had my xb for a few weeks now and have already had a couple riced up civics pull up next to me at lightsand rev their engines like they want to race. They usually also point and laugh (like their big ___ sniper body kits really looks "cool"). Most of the time i put it in neutral (its an auto) and rev the engine. when the light changes, i go nice and slow, I can't wait until I get a civic a ticket.

I say drop in the corolla 1.8L & supercharge that. Put a header on it to. You would have almost the same HP as the celica 1.8L but you will have that power lower in the rev range. Also you would have way more TQ then the celica so you could pull hard from down low also. That would make a sleeper. Also to keep a car in the frame of sleeper it needs to look as close to stock as can be.

That is a better choice.

Alot of people don't know this, but according to Toyota's own numbers, a Matrix with a supercharged 1ZZ-FE is a second faster to 60 than a regular 2ZZ-GE!

Even though the 2ZZ has 180 hp on paper, it has everything on the top end and no torque, like a gutless early 1990's VTEC. The supercharged 1ZZ has 160 hp or so, but it gets its power early on and with gobs of tire twisting torque.

The appeal of the 2ZZ to me is just it's revvy nature, but every indication says that a supercharged 1ZZ would be the better daily driver AND faster in any situation to boot.

Problem is, for an engine swap, you are talking about an additional $3k for a supercharger on top of the cost of the long block :(

Honestly, I'd love an xB with just a 1ZZ-FE in it. That would be a borderline sleeper right there. It's too bad Toyota couldn't/didn't do that. I'd tolerate the 1-3 mpg hit to have 130-140 hp naturally aspirated man...

All due respect, there is no way in hell an turbo or supercharged xb will smoke a late 80s or early 90s mustang 5.0. Are you sure it was not a four or six? I use to own one. Maybe the driver of the stang did not not know he was racing. I agree with you in your other conquests. I am not trying to be a player hater. What else have you done to your box? :wink:

can u say aerodynamics?

driving a xb is like driving a brick wall down the road :?

I say drop in the corolla 1.8L & supercharge that. Put a header on it to. You would have almost the same HP as the celica 1.8L but you will have that power lower in the rev range. Also you would have way more TQ then the celica so you could pull hard from down low also. That would make a sleeper. Also to keep a car in the frame of sleeper it needs to look as close to stock as can be.

That is a better choice.

Alot of people don't know this, but according to Toyota's own numbers, a Matrix with a supercharged 1ZZ-FE is a second faster to 60 than a regular 2ZZ-GE!

Even though the 2ZZ has 180 hp on paper, it has everything on the top end and no torque, like a gutless early 1990's VTEC. The supercharged 1ZZ has 160 hp or so, but it gets its power early on and with gobs of tire twisting torque.

The appeal of the 2ZZ to me is just it's revvy nature, but every indication says that a supercharged 1ZZ would be the better daily driver AND faster in any situation to boot.

Problem is, for an engine swap, you are talking about an additional $3k for a supercharger on top of the cost of the long block :(

Honestly, I'd love an xB with just a 1ZZ-FE in it. That would be a borderline sleeper right there. It's too bad Toyota couldn't/didn't do that. I'd tolerate the 1-3 mpg hit to have 130-140 hp naturally aspirated man...

I dont see how you would take a hit in MPG. If they take the same engine & tranny from the corolla that weighs 2,530 & put it into the xB that weighs 2,395 the gas milage should stay about the same. Also TRD claims that if you have the S/C on the corolla & take it easy you could get even better gas milage. So im just wondering is the drag on the box really enough to take a 3mpg hit?

Edit: Now do you mean take a 3mpg hit from what the xB gets now or what a corolla gets? If you take a 3mpg hit with the corolla numbers that would be 29mpg in town & 39mpg on the freeway. So overall that would be the same or better then the xB. As a side note I have been on a gas milage forum where a guy with a rolla got 45mpg as a average :shock:

I wouldn't consider the xB to be a sleeper at all. I've tried sleeping in it once and even though i was pretty smashed i was still unconfortable. maybe it's just me tho. :?

A sleeper is a normal looking car that hauls a$$! I don't think it's possible for an xB. I wouldn't even want that much power in an xB. Doesn't seem sturdy enough, IMO!

I was on an 1/8 drag and beat two hondas.

I'm not bashing, but my previous car was a Honda. You beat two riced out Hondas. That is nothing really to brag on.

My fastest time was quicker than 3/4 of the cars out there.

The time in your sig is a 10.6 in the 1/8th. Your time was better than 3/4 of the cars out there. That was a HUGE rice race! 10.6 is not impressive for a "racing" vehicle, IMO. Just wasting gas and wasting the spectators time. I hate when I'm at the local track and these cars come out with their HUGE wings, fart pipes, LED wiper lights, and altezza tails thinking they're the $hit. They just sound like $hit and move like $hit!

I have caught a lot of cars off guard when I take off.

Proabably because they're not trying to race. Seriously, if you go around racing an xB that is sad. Might as well race mini-vans, Echo's, and Geo Metro's.

Again, not trying to bash but there's no point to race an xB when it runs 10's in the 1/8th.

Here is me and my Hybrid at the local 1/8th track:Me vs. GSR teg

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Me vs. b16 turbo CRX
I had him right until 3rd gear....

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Me vs. cavilier (sp?) then RX8
This is where I launched at 4k and just spun / wheelhop. Came out of vtec going into 2nd and had to catch up to the chevy. The guy in the RX8 had just got the car and made a few runs.

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It is a sleeper for dates under the stars. :oops: :lol:
I don't know about the other type of sleeper. :lol:

Sure its a sleeper, but I don't think it would be comfy to sleep in for any more than 2 people.

it is a sleeper i think. in the sense that a manual xB is a lot faster than people think it is. sure it's not a race car, but it's still a sleeper. and if you're getting a 10sec 1/8 mile, what does that equate to in the quarter, cause isnt the first half the slower half?

its actually suprising.

I tore a neon sxt apart.
i beat an accord but it was pretty close.
and i beat a civic hatchback. that was modded.

i love when these guys pull up next to you at a stop light. then get taken by the xb's quick take offs lol. btw a mr2 twin turbo raped me lol..

We took off and all the sudden i hear a blow off valve so i just get off the accelerator and let him win hehe.

mine's a sleeper! :lol:

http://www.ithaca.edu/students/jko2/lj/mattressweb.jpg

The xB is not by any means a racing cehicle. I use to drag a Dakota R/T with a 360. We had guys with R/Ts that were turning 9+ sec quarter miles. They were beating Vipers down at Rockingham. During the Mopar weekend. The weekend I raced the Hondas we had just gotten finished racing two xB for the hell of it. I had just put in my supercharger and everybody wanted to see what a difference it made. If you want to have a little more fun in your box install a supercharger ,if its in your budget. I guess if nobody wanted to hopup our boxes we would all be using them to get groceries and hall the rugrats around. I was racing that weekend because I haven't seen a box on the track.

A sleeper is an '84 vw convertible with 200+ WHp..... :D
That will suprise some folks, the look over "Hahahhaa a _____ Basket....Oh wait where did it go..

IF you do a lot of engine mods, then yes, it's a sleeper.

IF you just want to lie down in the reclined front seats, then it sure is a sleeper.

A sleeper is an '84 vw convertible with 200+ WHp..... :D
That will suprise some folks, the look over "Hahahhaa a _____ Basket....Oh wait where did it go..
LOL..actually I had a real sleeper....a 280Z w/a 383 stroker with a Level 10 trans and a 2 stage nos in case I needed it.. the Z weighed a little less the than the XB :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

Nice I always loved the earlier Zz cars it's funny that a smallblock is the same or less weight than the six that came in em. What kind of 1/4 did it run?

My box sleeps but is never wakes :lol:

seriously who races 1/8th mile? the 1/8 mile numbers mean nothing to me i have nothing to gauge them against

Personally i think it's a sleeper with a turbo. Besides the fact you have a B.O.V. when i was keeping up with a rsx type s 6 speed he was suprised. A stock auto xb isn't no sleeper though which is the reason why i bought a turbo. I have the stock hubcaps on still. I look stock.

well i whooped on a non s rsx and all i have is intake , header , and full exhaust. if thats any info that could help anyone out.

I would say (if this makes sense) the car isnt fast, but it zips. And i think most who know what i'm talking will agree.

THIS, my friends.......is a sleeper:

http://www.garrettkirkland.com/gallery/volvo/gallery3.jpg

KiL

Sleepers don't have fancy wheels, wings, and clearly visible roll cages.

Sleepers have stock hubcaps, a tissue box on the dash, a big quiet muffler, and a ton of horsepower under the hood.

THIS is a sleeper! In order to be a sleeper you have to beat (not just beat- SMOKE) someone that KNOWS you are racing. I'm not convinced these XB's that are out tearing up the streets with all their vicious kills are actually running against cars that know they are racing. But THIS guy could provoke anyone he wanted- then hand their ___ to them!

http://www.supercars.net/servlets/PW/garagePics/ChevyRocks/49car3.jpg

http://www.supercars.net/servlets/PW/garagePics/ChevyRocks/49car5.jpg

Yes, that IS a Cadillac Northstar V-8 under the hood!

THIS is a sleeper! In order to be a sleeper you have to beat (not just beat- SMOKE) someone that KNOWS you are racing. I'm not convinced these XB's that are out tearing up the streets with all their vicious kills are actually running against cars that know they are racing. But THIS guy could provoke anyone he wanted- then hand their ___ to them!

http://www.supercars.net/servlets/PW/garagePics/ChevyRocks/49car3.jpg

http://www.supercars.net/servlets/PW/garagePics/ChevyRocks/49car5.jpg

Yes, that IS a Cadillac Northstar V-8 under the hood!

:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

WTF :drool: um uh um ......................

i love it i really do. now THATS a sleeper. nuff said

does that volvo have a 5.0 in it? ive seen a wagon with one. it was an old guy. looked cool and sounded good.

Here's another great sleeper:

http://www.cwstuning.com/gallery/albums/Fastiva/festivaengine.jpg
Mazda B6T turbocharged engine, Modified Miata intake, 8 injectors with sds EIC, MR2 intercooler, Turboxs BOV and boost controoler,

http://www.cwstuning.com/gallery/albums/Fastiva/festivasir.sized.jpg

It's too bad it has good wheels, a headlight conversion, and good paint. Imagine how sick it would be in flat black primer, widened stock steelies with cheesy hubcaps.



A DIESEL sleeper!? Now we are talkin!
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92 Jetta with 2001 Beetle 1.9 TDI engine, Bora 6 speed tranny, PP520 injectors, PSI Tuning Box, Porsche intercooler.
Can you believe this diesel is as fast as a VR6, but still gets over 800 km's to a tank?!!



doesn't LOOK like it would run a 13.0 sec 1/4 mile. That's the point.
http://www.cwstuning.com/gallery/albums/past-projects/20v_tbo_rear_plate.thumb.jpgThis was the original 1.8t 20 Valve Rabbit. It was a 79 GTI, cabriolet body kit, mk3 dash, BBS 17x7.5 RX's, Euro tinted taillights, T3 turbo, SDS stand alone, Audi G60 calipers with 11" rotors, 5 bolt conversion. Ran a 13.0 @112 mph.


http://www.cwstuning.com/gallery/albums/past-projects/sprintegra1.sized.jpgThis was our first hybrid car, a 1986 Sprint with a B18B from a 91 Acura integra. Aka, the Sprintegra!! It only weighed 1700 lbs, and in this guise I managed to suprise alot of people who thought nothing of this little blue 4 door. I sold it to my buddy Tommy who put a 100 shot on it and made it a legend in Regina

ooooh yeah thats what im talkin about

anybody got pics or specs of the turboed sleepers

plymouth voyager or the chrysler K cars?

has anyone seen the video of the 10.2 second K car 2 Door

thats the next project car i want :D

that 2 door k car has a 360 in it i believe. it is mini tubbed or at least one of em is. lol . alot of people put the turbo motor in em. never thot they were powerful(driving a stock turbo dodge) but those lil _____es can get like 300hp almost easily.

How about this. . . an old Celica with a twin turbo V8, yes a Lexus 1UZ-FE with twins!
http://www.geocities.com/fxfjclub/celicgt4.htm

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wow the most work on that musta been the rwd conversion tho. nice. i wanna celica like that but i'll take the measly(in comparison to above) all-trac turbo.

fun cars man

and all we gotta do is move outta california. that or learn how to register out of california

true true

yea get some fold down front seats like in the toyota matrix
a popup camper roof like a sportsmbile van and a sink some knobby tires and yer set for huntin & fishin ye ha!!! no
seriously the xb was created for major style not major speed
but we love these cars and mods of all kinds is what its all about

A sleeper doesn't HAVE to look like a bone stock pile of monkey ____.............all that is required is that the majority of the population wouldn't EXPECT it to be fast. If some dumb kit in a Stang GT saw you with a roll cage in your Volvo 240.......he'd think you're a ___ and laugh at you.................and then you'd hand him his ___ and he'd go home and cry.

KiL

we didnt get teh box to race...civics are lame

i'd say the old 3.3 Litre Dynasty's were close to being a sleeper and could be modded to definately be one. However the 2.5 litre Dynastys would make our xB's look like sleepers.

My old 3.3 was exceptionally fast(had her at 110mph and she was still not straining), especially from 60mph on up, Their only weakness was between 40 and 55 because their trannies had a strange shift point that kinda broke up its acceleration. It would jump forward hit 40 lag untill 55 and then start pulling hard again(the 3.3 V6s pulled that 2 1/4 ton beast with a vengence)

If that Motor was ever retrofitted into a lighter car,who knows what it could do :shock:

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! :lol:

The XB a Sleeper Yeah if you mean your passenger falling a sleep in it while you drive...OK I'll go for that. As for XB being faster that it looks maybe(only cause it's a Box on wheels)...but lets face it folks the XB is not going to win speed records even with NOS and the largest turbo you can fit on the thing.

Now seriously If you could some how fit a larger engine in it then now were talking. I say this only cause Moster Miatas were comon at one time and a Monster version of the XB could earn more respect in the Speed catagory.

As for me Style is what I bought it for. It has (no pun intended) an out of the box style that you don't see and room for days.

Nice I always loved the earlier Zz cars it's funny that a smallblock is the same or less weight than the six that came in em. What kind of 1/4 did it run?
I ran low 11's with M&H Racemasters and closed exhaust (Englishtown)....very fast......My favorite street kill was was A RUF 930 Turbo that I put 2 car lenths at 3rd gear :twisted: :twisted:

Sleeper no.......comatose yes...but I still love it!

Would you consider a heavily power modded xB to be a sleeper? My definition of a sleeper being a car that accelerates quickly that doesn't look like it should. Like doing an engine swap and putting nos in a 1985 Buick Regal or something.

I ask because even driving a stock box, you get your share of streetlight racers who seem to itch to kill you. Or simply the punk in the civic with an exhast who tailgates you. It happens to all of us. I question if the public actually thinks that the xB has a more powerful engine in it, that they don't know the engine is somewhat underpowered.

Therefore, for a power-modded xB, basically, it would only be catching up to the publics expectations. Agree? No? Would you even WANT your power modded xB to be considered a sleeper, or is that a negative term considering how new the car is?

I get riced on by WRX's and Evo's..........seems liek the think they have something to prove to a 1.5 ltr 4 banger that puts down 94 hp :lol:

Seriously i'll be on the freeway, and all of a sudden i had this WRX fly up on my ___, and he pulled besides me and slowed down, so i hit the gas and he floors it and takes off, and i continue to cruise at 70mph

another sleeper a friend of mine had was police package Ford Fairmount used by Goverment agencies that had a 351W in it....All Mustang suspension and performance parts on it hehe

Sleeper no.......comatose yes...but I still love it!

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Style, not speed baby. :wink:

Ya I think it could be a sleeper. But it would require a much larger engine and a turbo. Something in order of 2 liters or bigger and a turbo setup running 30PSI. With that you could surprise a lot of people for as long as the transaxle would hold up. Which probably would be about 5 secounds into your first run.

If someone hasn't already done it it probably won't be long till Xb bodies start showing up at the drag races on Tube frames and rear wheel drive.

Steve

If someone hasn't already done it it probably won't be long till Xb bodies start showing up at the drag races on Tube frames and rear wheel drive.

that will rock ___