Sorry if this has been posted before. Anybody have any luck with these things?http://images.andale.com/f2/127/115/13396688/click2enlarge/1094252477549_1095617561057_CO_XB04_CMk.jpg
I mean, common, these are just cheap, light cars, Do we REALLY NEED $2,000 fully race engineered real coilover suspensions fit for a exotic car? Just want to get low, cheap- it's just an advertising vehicle. Seriously if I wanted real performance I'd be in the Golf R32. I want people to look at my business name, have a cheap payment, and get good mileage. One of my friends had a similar el cheapo setup on his Civic SI and it rode great, same for another with a Jetta. Seriously there are only a few real spring manufactures in the world. Half of all the stuff out there is made by the same place and painted a different color with a different name. Same with wheels- know who makes most of the wheels out there? Not Konig, not (insert name here)- it's probably Mackin industries. They even make the aluminum heads for Edlebrock- most comanies are just "branders"- and I bet you thought that Vic Edlebrock was sitting behind a mill making his own parts.

I know I will get the responses that only REAL coilovers by HKS or whover should be ran. I'm not looking for "hot air" feedback, or theory's. Does Anyone actually have EXPERIENCE with these cheapo setups on an XB? If so than please reply.

Hey man i know where you are commin from. Your best buy would be a set of Tinen coilovers for about 1 grand. I have seen em on ebay before or if you do a search on google.

I am thinking about buying these myself. Hell with shipping they are only $100. Ya your pobably going to lose ride quality with these instead of a real coilover system But I did that already by putting 19's on my box

something about ebay coil-overs just turns my stomach... I doubt you had anyone that tried "similar" coil-overs with good result... pretty much anyone that ever tried a set of cheap coil-overs has hated them. They usually have extremely harsh ride qualities, fitament is usually very poor and loose -- and they friggin squeak.

Let's just hope these don't fall out, theres already been a discussion about this with the ground control setup that uses a coil over similar to that, a guy with an echo crashed when his springs came out while driving.

You get what you pay for (especially with suspension components) I would suggest what the guy a few posts back said and get a set of Teins, they can be had for $700-800 dollars for the basic coilovers. I have them on my civic and they are by far better than a sleeved coilover kit.

yeah i agree.. u get what u pay for.. i received that exact kit today and nothing mounts up correctly.

the rears come with small mounting washers that go right through the hole that they are suppose to hold the sleeve in place

the front sleeves dont fit onto the strut cylinder because of the collar that holds the strut rod into the cylinder. if the sleeve actually fit on the front i would just cut the tall springs to height, install them in the back and then install the already short ones in the front.. no biggy, but nope no luck there

they sent 2 different size springs and only the small ones work. so i can either lower my front or rear and have an extra set of springs that are too tall.

they also did not include the bumpstops as stated in the auction

so what they need to actually include in the kit:

1. bumpstops
2. 2 rear adjustable sleeves
3. 2 front adj sleeves that FIT
4. 4 small springs
5. washer that actually holds the rear sleeves on
6. the rest of the necessary o-rings and hardware

i just emailed them to get this clarified. according to there auction though they state that in an exchange u need to send back the kit in NEW/UNOPENED condition.. well they sent me the wrong stuff and i wouldnt know that until i tried it so basically they charge a 15% restocking fee ~ crap if u ask me

hmm, thanks for the update...I was slightly thinking about buying them, but now...hell no, I will save the money up for good ones

I guess you just don't know how to install them bro. I have them on my XB as we speak. It took me about 1 hour from start to finish. The washers for the rear perches are too small , but one trip to the hardware store fixes that. Where are you located? If you want I can put them in for you. They are working great for me. Alittle bouncy when lowered all the way but, perfect where I have them. Ican't complain about $99 bucks 8)

hmmm munch go help him install and take pics...if it's really good enough maybe it's something to look into?

Jeff

hmmm munch go help him install and take pics...if it's really good enough maybe it's something to look into?

Jeff
If he gets back to me I could. It's not that hard :lol: :lol: :lol:

i know what im doing...

if it dont fit, u must acquit

if it dont fit, u must acquit


bwahahaha...lmfao

AC where are you? I need a ride

i know what im doing...

if it dont fit, u must acquit
I guess you don't need my help then :roll: :roll: :lol: :lol: :lol:

dont recall asking for it either :roll: :lol:

dont recall asking for it either :roll: :lol:
See that....................... try to help people out and they act like meatheads. Whatever bro :roll: You're the one with the install problems not me :P :P :lol: :lol: :lol: If you can't put a simple set of springs in your car then you don't need to be working on it :lol: :lol: :lol:

perhaps u should change the way u approach people when offering your "help"..

:idea: maybe wording things a bit differently so u dont seem so arrogant and demeaning would be a big help.. bro :idea:

as for not being able to install a simple set of springs.. i laugh at u since im the local guy everyone comes to when they need ANYTHING done to there car/truck/bike

as for not being able to install a simple set of springs.. i laugh at u since im the local guy everyone comes to when they need ANYTHING done to there car/truck/bike
I feel sorry for them then :? :? :? :?

i see the arrogance never goes away

but thats cool..

2 each his own

i see the arrogance never goes away

but thats cool..

2 each his own
Deal with it bro :roll: You started it :roll: I just tried to help you out.

perhaps u should change the way u approach people when offering your "help"..

:idea: maybe wording things a bit differently so u dont seem so arrogant and demeaning would be a big help.. bro :idea:

as for not being able to install a simple set of springs.. i laugh at u since im the local guy everyone comes to when they need ANYTHING done to there car/truck/bike

I guess you just don't know how to install them bro. I have them on my XB as we speak. It took me about 1 hour from start to finish. The washers for the rear perches are too small , but one trip to the hardware store fixes that. Where are you located? If you want I can put them in for you. They are working great for me. Alittle bouncy when lowered all the way but, perfect where I have them. I can't complain about $99 bucks 8)

Seems nice & clear to me.

perhaps u should change the way u approach people when offering your "help"..

:idea: maybe wording things a bit differently so u dont seem so arrogant and demeaning would be a big help.. bro :idea:

as for not being able to install a simple set of springs.. i laugh at u since im the local guy everyone comes to when they need ANYTHING done to there car/truck/bike

I guess you just don't know how to install them bro. I have them on my XB as we speak. It took me about 1 hour from start to finish. The washers for the rear perches are too small , but one trip to the hardware store fixes that. Where are you located? If you want I can put them in for you. They are working great for me. Alittle bouncy when lowered all the way but, perfect where I have them. I can't complain about $99 bucks 8)

Seems nice & clear to me.
That's what I'm sayin Chucksu. I dunno :? :? :? :?

I guess you just don't know how to install them bro. I have them on my XB as we speak. It took me about 1 hour from start to finish. The washers for the rear perches are too small , but one trip to the hardware store fixes that. Where are you located? If you want I can put them in for you. They are working great for me. Alittle bouncy when lowered all the way but, perfect where I have them. I can't complain about $99 bucks 8)

Seems nice & clear to me.[/quote]

your the one that made the assumption that my kit came with the correct parts and that i wasnt competent to do a "simple spring" install...

tell me then.. did ur front sleeves just slide right onto the strut or did u have to modify it?

your the one that made the assumption that my kit came with the correct parts and that i wasnt competent to do a "simple spring" install...

tell me then.. did ur front sleeves just slide right onto the strut or did u have to modify it?
Mine slid right over the struts After I did what was needed to be done.The sleeves never slide right over the front struts. Do a search on coilovers and you'll see the correct way to install them. I would help you out but you declined my help earlier :x

so how many sets of sleeve coilovers have u installed???

i'd say the 50-100 coilover/spring installs ive done that it seems that they give u a bag of those little o-rings for a reason.. perhaps to take up that space between the strut and the sleeve.. idk maybe im just crazy

and what exactly did u do to make them finally fit?? ill make a lil assumption here now.. lets assume that every xb strut is setup with the same little cap that holds the insides of the strut together.. tell me u decided that grinding it down so the sleeve would clear was the safe thing to do?

so how many sets of sleeve coilovers have u installed???

i'd say the 50-100 coilover/spring installs ive done that it seems that they give u a bag of those little o-rings for a reason.. perhaps to take up that space between the strut and the sleeve.. idk maybe im just crazy

and what exactly did u do to make them finally fit?? ill make a lil assumption here now.. lets assume that every xb strut is setup with the same little cap that holds the insides of the strut together.. tell me u decided that grinding it down so the sleeve would clear was the safe thing to do?

Nope sorry bro, Only a fool would grind the struts. I didn't grind anything down. There is no need to, and the o-rings are there to take up the space between the strut and the sleeve. You are correct there but I used a better method than the cheap o-rings that they include with the kit 8) . If you did that many installs then you should know what to do.

i did think of another way to install the sleeve but i cant see putting a slice down 1 side of the sleeve to make it squeeze over the cap as being a correct way..

i think the correct way would be to perhaps release a kit that well.. doesnt need any modifications at all.. agreed?

if the slice method was the way u made the fronts work, how long have u been riding on them like that? is there any signs of stress to the sleeve?

why dont u just go on aim and message me.. perhaps we can stop being post whores that way

i did think of another way to install the sleeve but i cant see putting a slice down 1 side of the sleeve to make it squeeze over the cap as being a correct way..

i think the correct way would be to perhaps release a kit that well.. doesnt need any modifications at all.. agreed?

if the slice method was the way u made the fronts work, how long have u been riding on them like that? is there any signs of stress to the sleeve?

Nope I didn't slice them either because that would destroy the kit. The kit is almost perfect IMO. All it needs is a set of helper springs for the rear. Because if you adjust them too far, when you jack the car up they will fall out. But I fixed that little problem as well :D . Like I said before do alittle internet search , and your answer will appear right before your very eyes 8)

why dont u just go on aim and message me.. perhaps we can stop being post whores that way
I'm on a new computer that I just put together. I did not install AIM in it yet.

why dont u just go on aim and message me.. perhaps we can stop being post whores that way

Aint nothing wrong with being a post whore 8). As for this whole topic, did you really think it would be a take out of box & install for $100? Nothing is as simple as it seems.

why dont u just go on aim and message me.. perhaps we can stop being post whores that way

Aint nothing wrong with being a post whore 8). As for this whole topic, did you really think it would be a take out of box & install for $100? Nothing is as simple as it seems.

Oh but it is Chucksu. It's a simple install and when he finally gets his answer he's looking for he will be mad at himself for the aggrevation he went through. I'm not trying to be mean or ____ anyone off but, I offered my help and he didn't want it at first, I guess now he does. I dunno :? :? :?

im not at all aggrevated.. i think this is funny.

im not at all aggrevated.. i think this is funny.
No problem I'm going to sleep. I'll post pics tomorrow :D

As for this whole topic, did you really think it would be a take out of box & install for $100?

well lemme think.. perhaps if i made a kit such as this i would have made it so YES you could just take it out of the box and install it.

as for the coilovers falling out when u jack the car up.. im sure u just ran a cable or equivalent up the center of the coilover and attached it at both ends to upper and lower perches. i have found that with most kits that include the helper spring, u lose about 1.5-2" of lowering which basically made ur coilover kit into a ride that was less than equivalent to a set of 1.5-2" lowering springs. unless its 1 of those super thin ones, but most kits come with your typical spring thats just a mini version of the coilover spring. comfort is almost a total loss with a sleeve type coilover anyways but the helper just ruins any chances of kidney survival

so come on man.. wheres these pics?

i gotta see your version of the "correct" installation

so come on man.. wheres these pics?

i gotta see your version of the "correct" installation
Here you go and the caps were never touched :lol: :lol: :lol:


http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid140/pfa5bb40726be6301a9ea97ad95d1df9e/f6df74a5.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid140/p4d25a9265fe2312738a972fef0d6eb0f/f6df74a0.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid140/p168b6c2a11740084dbca4f6b927d51fe/f6df74a3.jpg

lets see a side profile pic of ur b now..

it looks like you used the taller of the 2 springs in the back.. cause well when i put the taller ones in the back, my tein 1.7" springs made it sit lower

as for the front, i have yet to hear any explaination of how u got the sleeve to slide over the shaft
as shown here from your pic:
http://home.comcast.net/~hondahatch98/strutring.jpg

my sleeves diameter wasnt sufficiently large enough to clear over it

so what exactly is ur fix for this? you have yet to say

Moved to Corner Carvers. ;)

yeah man i got the kit and the rear worked nice with the long springs but the front setup isnt large enough to clear. i need help cuz i got my box dumped in the back and stock up front not cool.

bump.
help me out guys we need answers lol munch help us out tell us your secret.

heres a secret.. dont use this kit.. the ride is horrible + even with the shorter springs in the front my 1.7" tein springs sat lower with a better ride

save up and get 2" springs or real coilovers from tanabe or tein

i unno i just really hate my self for doin it and i mean ____ i just put myself 110 in debt for somethin that doesnt work so now i gotta make it work and since the back is lowered the ride seems pretty good. and if they didnt fit then how do you know that it only drops 1.7?

Thats a horrible set of coilovers. There sleeve not even the full coilover system. Your totally getting what u paid for. I had $350 plus Ground Control with Eibach springs and it still wasn't great and you need t get the car corner weighted to take advantage of the handling not to mention your alignments are gonna be total ____.

In this case do not be cheap. Either save up and buy a real coilover system or just get some regular springs and new struts.

alignments are no prob bob. the scion is grizeat when it comes to that .

ok is there anyone out there that has suggestions so as that i dont have to go another 200 plus into debt by help me use these darned springs? please. any ideas .read the prob and help please!!!!

bump...

sell them to someone else and buy some normal drop springs

no one will buy em pluss the drop springs arent adj. thats the whole reason in my buying this set . a cheap adjustable set. i unno if munch ever responded then i'd buy his tanabe's . i'm thinkin of trying to remove the cap on the strut , install the coilover and then reinstal the strut cap. it looks like munch may have done that from his pics there are scratches just below the cap so.... maybe? i'm gonna mess with my struts tomorrow

no one will buy em pluss the drop springs arent adj. thats the whole reason in my buying this set . a cheap adjustable set. i unno if munch ever responded then i'd buy his tanabe's . i'm thinkin of trying to remove the cap on the strut , install the coilover and then reinstal the strut cap. it looks like munch may have done that from his pics there are scratches just below the cap so.... maybe? i'm gonna mess with my struts tomorrow
That's what I did bro. The caps that are on the struts do not hold the guts in the struts. The guts are held in by the metal that is bent from the strut housing itself. Just use a screwdriver and a small hammer and tap the strut caps off. Install the sleeve and hammer the cap back on. I knew you would figure it out. Once you install them you'l be happy with the set, I know I am :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: . I had to make you sweat it out just a bit :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

Here you go and the caps were never touched :lol: :lol: :lol:


wow so much for that huh

Here you go and the caps were never touched :lol: :lol: :lol:


wow so much for that huh
You were talking about grinding them down. I never said I didn't take them off. You did so many installs and you didn't know this :roll: Shame on you :P :P :lol: :lol: :lol:

well your obviously the only :roll: that would try to disassemble parts of a strut to install a sleeve kit. i think safety first is the main idea. what if that cap was loaded and you removed it? someone could have gotten hurt. i wasnt gonna take that chance for this cheap ___ kit. and yeah ive done plenty of installs but have never encountered a kit where u had to bang, cut, pry, or hammer anything off a strut to make a kit work.

so u got lucky.. wow im proud of u

as for not touching them... id suppose prying them off with a screwdriver and hitting them back on with a hammer has nothing to do with touching

hats off to you :roll:

and for making us sweat... :lol: .. did u have to find out how ur installer put them in. is that y it took so long really?

well your obviously the only :roll: that would try to disassemble parts of a strut to install a sleeve kit. i think safety first is the main idea. what if that cap was loaded and you removed it? someone could have gotten hurt. i wasnt gonna take that chance for this cheap ___ kit. and yeah ive done plenty of installs but have never encountered a kit where u had to bang, cut, pry, or hammer anything off a strut to make a kit work.

so u got lucky.. wow im proud of u

as for not touching them... id suppose prying them off with a screwdriver and hitting them back on with a hammer has nothing to do with touching

hats off to you :roll:

and for making us sweat... :lol: .. did u have to find out how ur installer put them in. is that y it took so long really?
Never that bro. I do all my work my self. I don't have to relay on half a$$ed installers as yourself to do things to my cars :lol: :lol: :lol: . I've done a few installs for people who have Scions in my area. I know my $hit do you :?: :?: . I guess not.If you look at the caps on the struts , you would have known that they are removable :roll: . This is not the only car that has removable caps, but I forgot you're supposed to know that. I'm done here you're not worth my time :roll: :roll:

i wasnt gonna take that chance for this cheap ___ kit. but have never encountered a kit where u had to bang, cut, pry, or hammer anything off a strut to make a kit work.

Next time spend the money for a real kit and stop being so damn cheap :roll: Now I'm done.

cheap?? coming from the guy using the same kit.. lol

im laughing myself all the way to the bank with all the knowledge i have of cars and installs ive done. ive made most my money fixing crappy installs by you and ur so called half a$$ed installers. aka capt knowitalls. a local guy that talks how he knows so much has a nickname "bullsh1t brandon". he's my biggest source of income when all his jobs come my way to be repaired.

you name it i can do it and have probably done it.. as the wise words of prank caller mikey the mechanic "id work circles around ya jerky"

thank you come again!

haha

cheap?? coming from the guy using the same kit.. lol
It is a cheap kit, come on man $99 shipped. I still have my Tanabe springs. I needed a way to adjust the back of the car when I put my kids in the car on my trips to PA everyweekend. Running 19's with the added weight with the Tanabes's don't mix. I have a new car coming already which should be here in a couple weeks. I wasn't going to spend $800+ on a set of coilovers for a car that will be gone by November :lol: :lol: :lol: I laugh at you bro because you're the biggest joke I have ever encountered in my life :roll: :roll: I'll be a bigger man and stop the childish bickering now.

im only keeping this going because u just make me laugh

ur an arrogant waste of space blah blah blah

so take ur ball and go home

i got em installed today . but... ride is kinda crappy i think it is because i modified the upper spring cushion. stacked up rubbers . too bouncy i gotta mess with the setup and it may become nice. hey munch how did u set up the fronts?

i got em installed today . but... ride is kinda crappy i think it is because i modified the upper spring cushion. stacked up rubbers . too bouncy i gotta mess with the setup and it may become nice. hey munch how did u set up the fronts?
PM me I'll give you the details 8)

i read this whole thing sounds fun