Pioneer Avic F90bt or Kenwood dnx5120?

[mptc]

I am planning on getting an indash navi but I'm not sure what to get. Does anyone have the pioneer f series or the kenwood dnx5120? Whats good and bad about them? Yes I did look around the forum to see what others have posted but I am still stuck between the two...........

[xravexboix]

The Pioneer is a great unit. The current firmware resolved the bulk of the issues that plagued the first round of buyers. I haven't touched the current Kenwood system yet, but I've had a bad experience with their 07-08 models. I saw a 40% fail rate... usually the screen motor will die after a year or so of usage.

[mptc]

I really like the pioneer but I keep seeing a lot of bad things about it. Did the firmware resolve the bootup time for the pioneer? Is their any other problems with the Pioneer after you updated the firmware?

[xravexboix]

Originally Posted by mptc

I really like the pioneer but I keep seeing a lot of bad things about it. Did the firmware resolve the bootup time for the pioneer? Is their any other problems with the Pioneer after you updated the firmware?

The only issue I've been hearing about after the latest firmware is an occassional boot-up hang. Aside from that, it's good. It comes down to what will actually bother you and what you're psyching yourself out over due to forums. It does have its short-comings, but everyone I've heard feedback from (personal friends) still like it.

If you want to wait a month or two, the new Eclipse is coming. The AVN726E is rumored to be at a $1400 MSRP (Decent for an Eclipse). It'll feature a similar function set to the F90BT, but not too many details have been revealed. I'm waiting to get this unit in my 4Runner. I have the Avic-Z3 in my xD. Everyone talked smack about it, but I haven't found a single problem with it.

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Jan. 7, 2009
FUJITSU TEN LIMITED

ECLIPSE NEW FLAGSHIP AVN726E REVITALIZES THE AVN LINE
AND IS NAMED BEST OF INNOVATIONS 2009 IN ITS CATEGORY

All Digital Video Circuitry Raises The Bar For Mobile Applications

　　　　　　　
AVN726E

"AVN726E"
(Torrance, CA) January 6, 2009 - FUJITSU TEN LIMITED, manufacturer of leading automotive electronics, announced today the AVN726E, its latest addition to the popular ECLIPSE brand of AVN products. ECLIPSE introduced the AVN concept of a head unit based of three core points of a perfect fit, comfort + awareness and integrated technology, in order to promote driving safety and comfort. Since 2004, ECLIPSE has put the AVN on the market, and got high evaluations continuously. The AVN726E was named Best of Innovations 2009 in its category by the Consumer Electronics Association as well as being chosen as an Innovations 2009 Design and Engineering Award Honoree.

The AVN726E is a next-generation AVN model that features all digital video circuitry and a 7.0” WQVGA high-contrast, high-visibility TFT display with day/night view modes that can be linked to the headlights for automatic activation. Navigational displays as well as multi-format audiovisual applications are now seen in high definition without any analog deterioration such as noise and smearing. The advanced digital image processing automatically adjusts outlining, color-depth and contrasts to make images more vivid.

Navigation
The AVN726E is the first AVN product with the map/navigation database pre-installed in its built-in 2GB flash memory. Updating maps is easy using an SD card. The AVN726E includes an SD card slot.

Entertainment
The AVN726E plays DVDs, DivX®, CDs including CD-R/RW and has a USB port for connecting devices so that MP3, WMA files can be played as well. An iPod® can be directly connected for audio and video playback. The AVN726E is ready for use with SIRIUS and XM tuners as well as HD RadioTM tuners (including iTunes® Tagging) options. Rear seat DVD entertainment capability is also included.

The AVN726E breaks new ground as the only integrated navigation, audio and visual entertainment product offering 6 preamp channel outputs at a high 5V output for high fidelity audio expansion options. To match the unit’s improved video performance, improved sound quality and lowered distortion was achieved using premium parts in crucial circuit locations.

Convenience and peace of mind
Bluetooth® wireless technology (including microphone) is built-in and offers audio streaming as well. Factory steering wheel control is possible (depending on car brand). The AVN726E has rear view camera capability. ECLIPSE’s proven ESN anti-theft measure is incorporated. The unit’s control button illumination can be switched from blue to red as preferred.



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About FUJITSU TEN
FUJITSU TEN LIMITED operates worldwide businesses of “Infotainment devices” including car audio and car navigation system, and “Automotive electronics devices” including engine and air bag control ECU and etc. FUJITSU TEN delivers genuine products for Toyota Motor Corporation and other domestic and overseas automotive manufacturers. Marketed commodities, known by the brand name of “ECLIPSE”, are sold and popular in various countries.
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[mptc]

Thanks for the info. Anyone else have suggestions about these navi's? The more input the better

[b52hDUNN]

My avic-f90bt just crapped out. Its locked up, and the only thing it does is boot up and turn off. It has the 2.0 update on it, and is only 1 week old.... Its nice lookin but DONT BUY

[x_Batman_x]

I have the DNX5120 and love it! I chose Kenwood over all other companies because Garmin is the best navigation out there as far as dependability and interface goes. I'm really happy with my decision though because in addition to the great navigation, the iPod interface is very intuitive and the video quality is very good as well.

[athlete3232]

i agree w batman... its a great unit i have it also.

[mptc]

I guess I'm starting to lean towards the Kenwood. Have you guys ever experienced any problems with it?

[x_Batman_x]

nope nothing that comes to mind its a really great unit

[unxpectederror]

the f90bt is a great unit. ive had in my car for the past 2 months.

i am going to be selling it though along with a few other things in my car as i need money for my boost project. if your interested pm me

[ricennoodle]

i have my dnx5120 for over a year now, they just released a dnx5140, only difference is it can speak the actual street names. so far really good, i installed a pac-swi jack to sustain steering wheel control also. im not too hot for the ipod control as i prefer my hd radio. the navigation is CAKE! get the remote too, if you play a lot of dvd's. its only 30 bucks on ebay...pricey. other than that...get it from crutchfield, i belive its under 600 right now...u get product support and warranty. dony buy gray or black market for this unit.

[x_Batman_x]

ricennoodle you really think its worth it to have that remote?

Everytime I place an order on crutchfield I debate dropping the extra $20 to get the remote shipped with the same order just to have it, but I really dont see any realistic scenario where I'd use it. Do you use yours??

Oh I also have the pac-swi jack and it works great except it wouldnt let me program the MODE button, it doesnt recognize when I press it... do you have this issue?

[ricennoodle]

the remote, its fancy lol. i dont use it much, but my backseat passengers love it.

for the pac swi jack, i had the same problem. i went to circuit city (now closed) to get that problem fixed, when i press mode, i can switch from nav to tuner to dvd no problem...it has to go through all the functions like xm bluetooth etc when trying to switch to another function. that was my only gripe about the pac swi jack, i'll see if i can try to contact the guy who installed it for me....but since he got layed off...u try crutchfield tech support?

[RusWolf]

I'm thinking of getting the F90bt unit, like the features and heard that the new firmware is pretty stable.

[RusWolf]

Ordered F90BT yestarday .

[mptc]

when you get it, leave some feedback on what you think of it please

[SF2K4]

If you like modding equipment get the F90BT... as far as I know the 8120 and presumably the Eclipse unit are use what you get, which is ok 'cause they're good units, but if you like editing things at the code level (meaning new images, settings, etc. not done through the unit standard) get the Pioneer, head on over to avic411.com, and start modding!

[trrocks03]

Does anyone know if the current stock iPod cable (for our stock pioneer systems) will plug into any/all new pioneer headunits? I would assume so, but sometimes manufacturers like to get tricky...

[RusWolf]

I dont think so , but i will check for you once i get the unit.
Maybe it will since the stock radio is a Pioneer in fact.