im getting a tc and my friend has a tiburon se, he's got a v6 and a six speed but hes only at 170 something hp what am i going to need to be able to take him? we both plan on tuning our cars for years to come in the end will he always win cause of the v6? any thoughts of dropping a six-speed in the tc how much wil it cost?

 

no need for a six-speed unless you plan to go faster than 140 mph. the only way to beat displacement is with forced induction. look into turbocharging, supercharging, or the poor mans nitrous oxide.

 

A six-speed isn't effecient at all for cruising purposes, as you'll be using the same, if not more gas to keep going. Not too sure about speed advantages though. I don't think there is a possible way to swap a 6-speed tranny into our cars yet. Lot of speculation though.

It depends on his car's gearing, in my opinion. My jackass friend with a beater Audi (yes, there's a such thing. This thing is trash) has a V6 and thinks he's putting down 280hp and also thinks he's hit 210mph. Pfft, ok Mr. Supercar, why does a tC with 18"s hang with you? In reality he has 170 too.
Your friend will always have more torque though. That's just what extra cylinders do for you.

 

A few things:

1) He will NOT always win because of the v6. The number of cylinders doesn't really matter in this case. He has about the same horsepower, a little more torque, and a little more weight, because of the v6.

2) The six speed will not affect the acceleration to the extent that you think it will (hardly at all), and certainly is not even a valid option because of the lack of an easy (i.e. cheap) drop in tranny.

Turbo is NOT the only way to beat a non-turbo Tib. There are the obvious things, like intake and exhaust, and then there are the NOT obvious things, like tires. If you two race (hopefully at a track), you should have a decent set of tires, and some research to decide what PSI to run. FROM WHAT I CAN TELL, TIRES ARE THE BEST FIRST MOD FOR THE TC.

- jake

 

Oh, and Zeb. You can't say jack about a six-speed being inefficient for cruising. There are no pervasive characteristic of having more gears that make a transmission less efficient, give me a break. It's all about the gear ratios, they multiply torque at a given rate.

Let's take it one step further. What happens if you add another gear on top of the five speed in the tC so you don't have to be at 3500 rpm @ 80 mph? Less efficient? Yeah right. Stay in school.

-jake

 

what do you think about the pirelli's on the stock 18 i have

 

I will stay in school.

Unless that 6th gear's size is nearly identical to 5th, it will most likely be inefficient for the 2AZ-FE. Our car does not provide the power to cruise (generally a set speed of 55-80) efficiently on such a steep gear. Think of it as going 20 in 5th gear. You can slam the throttle, but you're not going to be getting anywhere anytime soon. And you're still using a bunch of gas.

 

ok i am new to these fors, and i just bought my tC yesterday. so i guess i am a noob, lol.

NEWAYZ about a year ago i hade a v6 dodge avenger with cold air intake. which brought it to about 173 hp. my friends daddy decided to buy him a tC so once he got it we raced. he took me in a 45 roll like nothing. and off the line like i wasnt even racing. now i understand the avenger is a little more heavier than the tiburon, but i think you might be able to take him already.

 

Im not sure who would win. The cars almost weight the same and I think it depends on how much their whp is (first of all). Look up the whp specs on one of their forums. Your tC's whp should be around 143. He has a good chance that he might be a tad faster but that tad also has to tie into his reaction time and shifting skill. HP doesn't mean a faster car. BUT A LOT more hp does help even if you are a poorer driving (which 20hp is not a lot more hp).

 

drivers race

 

I test drove a Tiburon SE before I got my Tc. Here is what I thought. The Tib is smoother at speed, but sure as hell does not have that wonderful 4K kick in the A$$ that the TC does. I would say that the Tib is going to be a slightly faster car stock, and will be able to beat you if you start with a little speed. However, with a few hundred bucks ie. intake/exhaust you will own you buddy. Also, remember this, they dont make $hit for the Tib in the aftermarket. Sure you can find a few things here and there, but he is going to drop a lot more loot than you will on aftermarket parts.

I ultimately went with the TC because of headroom and the name (toyota). I have seen some nicely moded up Tibs, but for the most part not so much. If I were you, intake, exhaust and possibly a header and you will smoke him NA. When I looked there was only one company that made any FI for the TIB and you will have many options if you want to really drop some $ on your TC. But bare stock the Tib with the 6 speed V6 is just a little bit faster, especially at speed.

 

yes, Tiburons fall flat on their face up top - for a 6 cylinder.
You would think they pack a little more punch, but nope.

 

Zeb

You're wrong about the 6-speed. It's NOT AT ALL "going 20 in 5th gear."

-->Torque spins gears, and we have (relatively) high torque. Look at the Civic Si. 30 lb.ft. less torque, and 6 speeds. Very efficient transmission. We definitely have enough torque for a six-speed.

Again, the problem is not the torque. The problem is the price point. Our car is comprised of nearly 100% low-cost, legacy parts. Therefore, we get the standard, cheap, 5-speed, with long shifts and squishy bushings instead of a sporty six-speed that does not have those traits.

 

I know you guys are gonna find this funny but I once saw a tib w/ such a nice body kit that I thought it was a porsche (till i looked closer). RIPP mods likes the tibs and made something like 30-50 higher end packages to be shipped to asia so they can sell them as a sports car.

Over all - I never drove a tib so I can not comment on the car but I think both of you have nice cars.

 

I still think that if the gear was given an appropriate ratio to be a smooth transition from 5th, it'd be too much of a strain below 90mph and our mileage would go to hell. If this new transmission had different ratios all-around, yes it would be a lot better. Maybe i've just played Forza too much.

Agree to disagree.

 

i vote tC
tibbys are stupid slow (seriously)
my friend's top of the line 03' tibby roots supercharged (yes, supercharged)
vs me in my s with an cai and exhaust
i would pull on him about a car, don't know why i would though
ran several times, same outcome
maybe its just his car, or the driver
raced other tibs before also, not impressed at all

 

ok i seen a lot of post bout this subject..but im going to put my 2 cents on the case....really in sense the tiburon is not that much better than a tC...i race the Tiburon GT v6 at the 1/4 and i beat it bout 1/2 second....and i was stock bone and he had a little bit done w/ a intake, exhaust, and some carbon fiber (not much lol) but he was a manual..so really there arent that much better then the tC IMO

 

ok i seen a lot of post bout this subject..but im going to put my 2 cents on the case....really in sense the tiburon is not that much better than a tC...i race the Tiburon GT v6 at the 1/4 and i beat it bout 1/2 second....and i was stock bone and he had a little bit done w/ a intake, exhaust, and some carbon fiber (not much lol) but he was a manual..so really there arent that much better then the tC IMO

 

Tib vs tC is a driver's race.

 

i used to hav 2 04 tibs, not fast at all,

in fact i have bet many tibs with my tc 4 bangers, 6 bangers makes no difference