long story short, "Fatkid" was selling a scion security system for 50.00. I asked him if it would work with my 05 (knowing there was a model for 06+ w/steering controls)
I sent him this message:

From: Archngl
To: Fatkid
Posted: 9/28/08 8:08AM
Subject: Re: alarm
As long as you're positive it will work with my 05 (no steering wheel controls), and everything is included, I'm down.

-paypal ready.

his reply:

From: Fatkid
To: Archngl
Posted: 9/26/08 7:36PM
Subject: alarm
the alarm will work with the 05 as well....thats what i have..

I paid for the item, and received the model that does not work w/my car.

I notified him of the problem, he replied with:

From: Fatkid
To: Archngl
Posted: 10/6/08 4:55PM
Subject: Re: alarm
i added this same alarm to my 05 xb....and i did blow a fuse so i talked to a toyota tech and he showed me how they install it and since then i have never had a problem.....if you would like i can have him send you the diagram he used.....im a pretty easy going guy tho so if there is something else i can do just ask.

after a few months of no instructions, I asked for a refund, and got this response:

From: Fatkid
To: Archngl
Posted: 12/27/08 9:20PM
Subject: Re: alarm
sorry guy...no refunds...i have refused to work with you because i tried and you acted like a jerk....plus i have you on message saying that you would take it regaurdless....no refund.....not to mention the fact that you got a 400 dollar item for 50 bucks....had you not been such a jerk i would have been more than happy refund you your money...so you can do what you must but i will not be contacting you anymore and i will not read messages from your username any more.....you can try what you will to get the money back but i will be reporting to paypal the situation along with dated messages between the two of us....me saying it would work and you saying you would take it regaurdless....thanks for the long lesson in how things work on this site.

the message he is referring to was this message I sent to him clarifying to him the difference between the two models of alarms:

From: Archngl
To: Fatkid
Posted: 9/28/08 9:02PM
Subject: Re: alarm
I can send/fax you a ups label so shipping's covered.

and yes, there are 2 different models for the scion security. One works with all, ans one workd only with the XBs w/steering wheel controls...


But regardless, I'll take it for 50.

I was using "regardless" like "anyway". Not "I'll take the item regardless".



So any input on what a "jerk" like I should do?

-ken

 

not to mention... i'm sure he got that alarm for free..

gotta fight it out with paypal if you can there. dunno if you can even rewire the alarm for your car, maybe.. but i wouldn't know anything at the top of my head.

 

yup. ALOT of people got those free @ car shows. I'm sure that was the case here as well.

 

actually i didnt get this at a car show...yes it was free....aand i said very early in our conversations that regaurdless as to weather or not you could make it work i didnt want to be responsible for it not working on your car or potentially screwing your car up...then you said you would take it regaurdless....tell the full story if youre gonna tell it...i have already contacted paypal...if you want i can post your message saying you would take it regaurdless of weather or not it would work...which is what cleared me with paypal...post all day long on here about how you think you got screwed but i sold a lot of stuff to a lot of people on this site and you are the only one that has had a problem...im glad i ____ed you off enough to take time outta your day to blast me...i hope this thread gets huge...best of luck to you

 

here is one of the reasons you need 50 posts to legitimately sell on the site......

 

Wonder why the guy has had an issue with you.....

 

Alright... here's EVERY conversation we've had... Unbiased and pure fact.

FATKID: 9/26/08 7:36PM
the alarm will work with the 05 as well....thats what i have..

ARCHNGL: 9/26/08 10:14PM
cool, cool... how much you looking to get for it?

(I'm a lil' broke) lol

-Ken

FATKID: 9/27/08 5:46PM
if you cover shipping i will go as low as 50 bucks.....lemme know if thats cool

ARCHNGL: 9/28/08 8:08AM
As long as you're positive it will work with my 05 (no steering wheel controls), and everything is

included, I'm down.

-paypal ready.

FATKID: 9/28/08 5:42PM
yeah....ive put a few of these on 05s....why....where did you hear that it wouldnt work cause i may be

able to help them.....anyway yeah i will sell it to you for 50 plus shipping.....if you wanna give me ur

zip i can get a quote....

ARCHNGL: 9/28/08 9:02PM
I can send/fax you a ups label so shipping's covered.

and yes, there are 2 different models for the scion security. One works with all, ans one workd only with

the XBs w/steering wheel controls...

But regardless, I'll take it for 50.

FATKID: 9/29/08 1:31PM
cool....i dont have a fax but my addy is

Matt Mutty
xxxx fairlake place
richmond, va xxxx

ARCHNGL: 9/29/08 2:11PM
Cool. I'll send the label tomorrow.

What's your papal address so I can send payment?

-Ken

FATKID: 9/29/08 6:56PM
setting it up tonight....it should be ready tomorrow and i will send it to ya....

thanks,

----matt

ARCHNGL: 9/30/08 1:37PM
label sent.

FATKID: 9/30/08 3:10PM
my paypal is.....wallace_51_03@yahoo.com......thanks a bunch i will ship as soon as i get the

lable.....thanks again

ARCHNGL: 9/30/08 5:36PM
sent you an e-mail.

write me back once you get it, and I'll send payment asap!

-ken

FATKID: 9/30/08 8:18PM
cool....i got the email....do i just print that off and like tape it on the box????

ARCHNGL: 9/30/08 9:35PM
Yup. slap it on the box and you're done. I'll paypal you asap!

ARCHNGL: 10/6/08 3:31PM
got the kit, but it IS the model for the 06, and won't work w/ my 05.

FATKID:10/6/08 4:55PM
i added this same alarm to my 05 xb....and i did blow a fuse so i talked to a toyota tech and he showed

me how they install it and since then i have never had a problem.....if you would like i can have him

send you the diagram he used.....im a pretty easy going guy tho so if there is something else i can do

just ask.

ARCHNGL: 10/6/08 5:38PM
please.

I need to make this work.

FATKID: 10/6/08 6:06PM
mos def....i will have him get to you asap....if you wanna give me your email address i will pass it

along.... Smile

ARCHNGL: 10/6/08 8:29PM
djarchngl@yahoo.com

ARCHNGL: 10/8/08 5:49PM
Any news on that install info?

FATKID: 10/9/08 11:15AM
hey....he said he was gonna get at you but judging by this message he has not done so.....i will get

ahold of him and see if he can get his butt in gear....

ARCHNGL: 10/13/08 5:51PM
I don't have any info yet.
I'm beginning to think there isn't any...

-Ken

ARCHNGL: 10/18/08 3:27PM
still no word on how this thing will work...

FATKID: 10/20/08 1:53PM
hey home boy....my tech isnt getting back to me either so im gonn apull all my carpet and panels out and

take it all apart and take pictures...until i hear from him thats all i can do for now

ARCHNGL: 10/20/08 2:09PM
I understand, but I'm sure you can understand my impatience. I've paid for an item that I was told "wold

work", only to receive an item that I've been told countless times "doesn't work". But out there

somewhere is a modification to MAKE it work... and I don't have it.

You'd be impatient as well.

-ken

FATKID: 10/20/08 2:12PM
i do understand very much but you did also tell me you would take the item regaurdless....i kept the

message....however im not a dick like a lot of people on here so i wouldnt leave a fellow scion owner in

the cold.

ARCHGNL: 10/20/08 2:28PM
I kept them too.

From: Archngl
To: Fatkid
Posted: 9/28/08 8:08AM
Subject: Re: alarm
As long as you're positive it will work with my 05 (no steering wheel controls), and everything is

included, I'm down.

-paypal ready.


From: Fatkid
To: Archngl
Posted: 9/28/08 5:42PM
Subject: Re: alarm Quote message
yeah....ive put a few of these on 05s....why....where did you hear that it wouldnt work cause i may be

able to help them.....anyway yeah i will sell it to you for 50 plus shipping.....if you wanna give me ur

zip i can get a quote....

ARCHNGL: 11/4/08 3:10PM
Been 16 days since our last conversation. Just checking in.

ARCHNGL: 11/25/08 2:25PM
hey bud.
Still no info on how to make that alarm work.

-Ken

ARCHNGL: 12/2/08 8:34AM
my birthday's comin' up this friday, and I can't think of anything else I'd want besides making that

security system work.

-ken

ARCHNGL: 12/9/08 10:18AM
Am I screwed out of 50 bux at this point?

I went to my dealer and they told me that it could not be installed on my 05.

-Ken

ARCHNGL: 12/26/08 6:46PM
Since I can't get this item installed, I'd like a refund. As soon as I get the funds I will mail the item

back to you.

-ken

FATKID: 12/27/08 9:20PM
sorry guy...no refunds...i have refused to work with you because i tried and you acted like a jerk....plus i have you on message saying that you would take it regaurdless....no refund.....not to mention the fact that you got a 400 dollar item for 50 bucks....had you not been such a jerk i would have been more than happy refund you your money...so you can do what you must but i will not be contacting you anymore and i will not read messages from your username any more.....you can try what you will to get the money back but i will be reporting to paypal the situation along with dated messages between the two of us....me saying it would work and you saying you would take it regaurdless....thanks for the long lesson in how things work on this site.



If the item will work with my car... I just want to know how. That's all I want at this point. If he can't produce that... a Refund would suffice.

 

i gotta go with ken on this one. he asked if it would work on his xb and his answer was yes. this was the 1st mistake. had it been no, the sale would not have happened.
trying to make the alarm work was a good move but matt failed to deliver. i dont see how ken acted like a jerk by sending you messages asking for help. its not like he messaged you everyday. it also looks like you went back on your word: "however im not a dick like a lot of people on here so i wouldnt leave a fellow scion owner in the cold."

i doubt that you will get anything from paypal, i know i didnt when i got ripped off by someone on ebay, but you can always try. you can always sell it, just make sure that you answer any questions truthfully and not drop the ball.
[/.02]

 

Unfortunately, When you said that you would take the item regardless, that was implied that you would take it wether it was the kit for either vehicle.

I feel your pain, but I think your stuck with it bro.

 

^thank you for the vote of confidence. I didn't think I was being a jerk either! lol

 

yea, regardless wasnt the best choice of words to use. that was the 2nd mistake

 

If you look back to the posts, he assured me it would work, THEN I said I would take it.

The message with the word "regardless" in it is after him assuring me the item would work with my car. And in that message,I was clarifying the difference between the 2 models, then used the word "regardless" to get back to the issue at hand. In context, I was saying "anyway". Out of context, It looks like I agreed to take it even tho I couldn't use it.

Read the posts front to back, and you'll see my point. the proof is in the pudding.

regardless, what I'm really looking for is those installation diagrams he promised me 2 months ago. If it will work, let me make it work!

-ken

 

OH I read all the posts. I still think you had the wrong choice of words, and unfortunately I believe it will cost you the loss of your $50. I had a few people at the shop here read through and they all said the same thing... Regardless of you asking if it would work, as soon as you said you would take it regardless, it looks like you implied you wanted it no matter what kit it was.

 

^even if it can be misconstrued that way, aren't I at LEAST owed the schematics that he promised me?

 

Well he didnt really promise them to you. He said he would have a tech friend of his contact you with them. So he pretty much left it with that.

He should just give you your $50 bucks back and call it a day. Just be a stand up guy, realize that there was a misunderstanding and take care of it.

 

^ I concur.

 

Sell it lol. Can't you sell it for more than $50? I do believe Ken is right though, fatkid = false advertisement!