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Old Jun 21, 2005 | 08:15 PM
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So I picked up my 06 FM tC on Sunday from the dealer. They "had to order" my iPod HU, and rather than wait an extra week for them to get their ish together and install it, I just bought the car as is, with the intent to get it installed later in the week. This worked out alright, because I had to buy the car with the rear lip spoiler, so my initial purchase price was a little lower than I was expecting (well, didn't HAVE to, but I needed the car by this week and this was the only one they could get me in time.. cool concept, install a bunch of random stuff at port and watching impatient buyers up their limits!)

Well, dealer calls me today, says the iPod unit will be $500, with about a $200 install charge?? So much for pure pricing! Needless to say, I won't be purchasing the iPod unit through Scion. I have no problems with the way my particular salesperson has treated me throughout this process, but man.

Way to turn a $260 upgrade into a $700 bloat!
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So let me get this straight, you took a credit for the radio, got a rear lip spoiler in exchange and are wondering why they are charging you so much for the radio after the fact? You are buying the radio AFTER you bought so in effect there is nothing out of the ordinary here. Any Scion accessory you buy AFTER the sale you have to pay installation for. I don't see a problem here, just get yourself an aftermarket stereo with an iPod connection and save yourself some money. $700 will buy one helluva aftermarket stereo installed.

Do people really have such a hard concept with "Pure Pricing"? If the dealer had a sticker with an inflated price for a base tC (before taxes and tags), then yes, they are violating "Pure Pricing". I don't see what's wrong here.
Old Jun 21, 2005 | 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Faille
So I picked up my 06 FM tC on Sunday from the dealer. They "had to order" my iPod HU, and rather than wait an extra week for them to get their ish together and install it, I just bought the car as is, with the intent to get it installed later in the week. This worked out alright, because I had to buy the car with the rear lip spoiler, so my initial purchase price was a little lower than I was expecting (well, didn't HAVE to, but I needed the car by this week and this was the only one they could get me in time.. cool concept, install a bunch of random stuff at port and watching impatient buyers up their limits!)

Well, dealer calls me today, says the iPod unit will be $500, with about a $200 install charge?? So much for pure pricing! Needless to say, I won't be purchasing the iPod unit through Scion. I have no problems with the way my particular salesperson has treated me throughout this process, but man.

Way to turn a $260 upgrade into a $700 bloat!
You should read up on what pure pricing is, and is not, directly from Scion (scion.com). It is not set pricing throughout the country, as many believe it is (including dealers). It simply means dealers must keep their pricing consistent, on their website, sticker prices, and any other advertisements. It goes per dealer, not nation, or region. Prices in general stay close or the same from dealer to dealer simply to stay competitive. As for your situation, the initial $2xx was for the exchange of a new stock headunit that would have came with your car. The prices their quoting now is for keeping your current headunit and purchasing the upgraded model. Ask if you can still exchange your old unit in. Since it is now technically used, they may deny your request. If so, ask around.
Old Jun 21, 2005 | 08:45 PM
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No, I didn't take a credit for the spoiler. When I found out it was on the car, I decided to buy it anyway. They never even tried to order the other stereo until I came to pick it up and asked where the iPod stereo was. I asked about the stereo every single time i talked to them for the last two weeks. Then it took them two days AFTER I bought the car to find the part number, never once mentioning that the pricing would be different if I had it installed separately. And 200 for labor? Retarded.

I see your point about the old one being used now and only paying the difference bla bla. but these guys have been selling cars for how long? they could have at least had the respect to explain how it was going to work, instead of pulling the "oh yeah, we just have to order it and you can come back tomorrow" crap.
Old Jun 21, 2005 | 08:52 PM
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Sounds like the dealership isn't a very good one.

You should talk to the manager and explain what happened,
and I bet he'll work something out with you to get that head
unit for you.

If not, try another dealership.
Old Jun 21, 2005 | 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by jmiller20874
...Any Scion accessory you buy AFTER the sale you have to pay installation for...
Huh!?!!

Interestingly enough my dealer has told me that the prices shown for all the listed Scion accessories/options are all installed price.

When I went back in a couple weeks after buying my xB to have something added (the Scion VIP security system) the price on the website for getting it at the time of vehicle purchase was the same price I'd pay later - and in either case it was the installed price.

That's what I paid - no extra "installation" charges. Let's face it if the vehicle is just being delivered or was delivered last month, the same work has to be done, and if installation is included in the price "at delivery" it should be included in the price a month later.

Anything else and IMNSHO the dealer is jerking you around...

Suggestion: Ask Scion...
Old Jun 21, 2005 | 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Faille
they could have at least had the respect to explain how it was going to work, instead of pulling the "oh yeah, we just have to order it and you can come back tomorrow" crap.
Welcome to the reality of dealerships. Not all will be a "walk in the park" experience. If anything, you can upgrade your HU to an aftermarket one with a nice bass upgrade for the same or less price ($700).
Old Jun 21, 2005 | 09:46 PM
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I thought every '06 tC came with the new iPod head unit...

Or is it extra like the 6-disc? If it's an optional upgrade, and they never charged you for it, I don't see the problem. I'm confused

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Old Jun 21, 2005 | 11:11 PM
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if they install normal HU at port, then you most likely will be out of luck... upgrade is for them installing IPOD unit at port.

while dealer might help you with old unit, they most likely wont have anything to do with them so again, unless you want port to do it, you most likely will be out of luck...
Old Jun 21, 2005 | 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Tomas
Originally Posted by jmiller20874
...Any Scion accessory you buy AFTER the sale you have to pay installation for...
Huh!?!!

Interestingly enough my dealer has told me that the prices shown for all the listed Scion accessories/options are all installed price.

When I went back in a couple weeks after buying my xB to have something added (the Scion VIP security system) the price on the website for getting it at the time of vehicle purchase was the same price I'd pay later - and in either case it was the installed price.

That's what I paid - no extra "installation" charges. Let's face it if the vehicle is just being delivered or was delivered last month, the same work has to be done, and if installation is included in the price "at delivery" it should be included in the price a month later.

Anything else and IMNSHO the dealer is jerking you around...

Suggestion: Ask Scion...
I heard the exact same thing at my dealer
Old Jun 22, 2005 | 12:22 AM
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im a dealer, those are the installed prices, ur scion dealer is very mis-lead, dont pay that $700, hes way off
scion is pure priced, dont let unkwoledgable salesman discourage what scion is trying to do, which is not screw you
Old Jun 22, 2005 | 12:27 AM
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The new stereo is tricky, and it is new to all of us. The stock HU comes with an adaptor that will play iPods and other MP3 systems. The upgrade ($260 MSRP) allows you to work the iPod controls through the stereo controls, rather than on the iPod itself.

If you check out scion.com, you can see the difference between the two. The face of the stereo looks totally different.

I can't speak for other dealers, but our prices are all installed, and they are the same the day you buy your car, one week later or 6 months later. Sounds to me like the stereo has your dealer confused !
Old Jun 22, 2005 | 03:09 PM
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pure pricing is for you when you buy the car

but 500+200=700 big $ for that crap? hell no gg
i don't like ipods n e way ^^
Old Jun 23, 2005 | 02:54 PM
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psst.. as a quick note, the unit cost them about 68-80 dollars.. and the instalization is pretty simple, ____ for $200 i might even take a flight to install it for you. Buy the unit on-line or from Circuit City (if you want a warenty), pop your radio out, connect the ip-bus cord, the power, and the ground, hide the box, and pull the Ipod conecting wire out where ever you want it mounted.. and you got it.

It is all the new Pioneer equipment, I know the avg price per unit because I can get them at that through my brothers direct connections to pioneer.

oh and the last solution is the easiest. get a double sided mini-jack cord and connect you Ipod through the head phone jack..
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Originally Posted by ChicagosFinest
psst.. as a quick note, the unit cost them about 68-80 dollars.. and the instalization is pretty simple, poopie for $200 i might even take a flight to install it for you. Buy the unit on-line or from Circuit City (if you want a warenty), pop your radio out, connect the ip-bus cord, the power, and the ground, hide the box, and pull the Ipod conecting wire out where ever you want it mounted.. and you got it.

It is all the new Pioneer equipment, I know the avg price per unit because I can get them at that through my brothers direct connections to pioneer.

oh and the last solution is the easiest. get a double sided mini-jack cord and connect you Ipod through the head phone jack..

Actually you are wrong! The unit does not cost the dealer $60-80. It costs us $600! The radios are installed at the destributor not the factory, and the iPod headunits and adaptor are about $260 more than the radios that they normally put in the tC. If the port is installing the radio than all they charge you is the $260 because they can put the regular radio in someone elses car. The Dealership however does not get that credit so they have to charge you full price for the radio which again is about $600. I hope that makes sense and as far as the price of installation it is not just popping the radio out and putting a new one in. You would have to remove the center console so you can add the jack which takes time and its no secret that dealerships charge about $70 an hour for labor which would be about two and half hours which sounds about right to me. I hope this all makes sence. The dealer should have known this from the beginning and let you in on it, but they are far from being out pure price.
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Must vary from dealer to dealer then. Everything I have priced at mine is installed price, and matches the installed price from the website.
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Istalled at port not at dealer! They are going be in a load of trouble when they have to install one there! Thats when they will realize their mistake.
Old Jun 24, 2005 | 01:30 AM
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Originally Posted by jmiller20874

Do people really have such a hard concept with "Pure Pricing"? If the dealer had a sticker with an inflated price for a base tC (before taxes and tags), then yes, they are violating "Pure Pricing". I don't see what's wrong here.
I sell Scion's and the Pure Pricing covenant states we will sell the part for the price we advertise, if it is extra for dealer installation then our posted price has to state this. Every dealer has their own personal Scion website, the same prices listed there have to be posted in their dealership. Further, a copy of the pricing has to be included in the deal folder for auditing.

Failee, here is a question for you. Did you include the HU as part fo the purchase, if so they can not charge penny more. If not, check their website and see if they say installation is included or not. You can then decide to file a complaint as their losing allocation if they violated their covenant would be just.
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Originally Posted by jeffrgunn23
Originally Posted by ChicagosFinest
psst.. as a quick note, the unit cost them about 68-80 dollars.. and the instalization is pretty simple, poopie for $200 i might even take a flight to install it for you. Buy the unit on-line or from Circuit City (if you want a warenty), pop your radio out, connect the ip-bus cord, the power, and the ground, hide the box, and pull the Ipod conecting wire out where ever you want it mounted.. and you got it.

It is all the new Pioneer equipment, I know the avg price per unit because I can get them at that through my brothers direct connections to pioneer.

oh and the last solution is the easiest. get a double sided mini-jack cord and connect you Ipod through the head phone jack..

Actually you are wrong! The unit does not cost the dealer $60-80. It costs us $600! The radios are installed at the destributor not the factory, and the iPod headunits and adaptor are about $260 more than the radios that they normally put in the tC. If the port is installing the radio than all they charge you is the $260 because they can put the regular radio in someone elses car. The Dealership however does not get that credit so they have to charge you full price for the radio which again is about $600. I hope that makes sense and as far as the price of installation it is not just popping the radio out and putting a new one in. You would have to remove the center console so you can add the jack which takes time and its no secret that dealerships charge about $70 an hour for labor which would be about two and half hours which sounds about right to me. I hope this all makes sence. The dealer should have known this from the beginning and let you in on it, but they are far from being out pure price.

well, if that is so.. Scion is getting screwed! cost of the pioneer Ipod adapter is roughly (and this is at most) $90 at whole sale.. every scion is equipped with a piioneer radio (i haven't pulled it yet, but i doubt now that i look at it, that it has the Ip-Bus socket.) even if the radio has the socket it is a deal.. providing what i had said was true [which i now know isn't] 260 would still be a deal.,
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