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Old Apr 13, 2005 | 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by LavaBox_v1
Im not buying into hype ... I work for an ExxonMobil oil distrubtor and I have been to MANY ExxonMobil classes and have been to the ExxonMobil faciality in NJ a few times ... I have spoke to many ExxonMobil techs and sales reps ... I have seen data sheets and test sheets on all their oils ... You can say all you want "o its from the sell and of course thell tell you anything" but thats where you are wrong ... if you think about it for a sec. Mobil have commericals on TV that say 5000, 7500 or 15,000 miles on their new line of oil ... do you think they would spend MILLIONS of dollars on avertising if they were full of crap ... They even spent MILLIONS just on the NSCAR race that just pased in Las Vegas by FULLY sponsoring 3 cars, a 5000 car, a 7500 car & a 15,000 car ... There is no BS when you are spending MILLIONS of dollars on research and adversiting ... there is no BS when Mobil says you can go 15,000 miles or 1 year on their Extended Performance oil ... they go MILLIONS of dollars ridding on 15,000 miles or 1 year ...
Why not? Like I said, it is virtually impossible to legally prove that the extended drain intervals caused the engine to crap out at 100k instead of 120k ... or 140k etc. Why is that so hard for people to understand? At that point, the data is washed by all of the other variables in the equation, so they have NOTHING to lose if it hurts your car.. cause you will never know it. Your engine could have just worn out early for a million other reasons. Advertisement is just that, advertisement. Like I said, none of that data means anything until you can find impartial parties that have performed valid studies. Read the barber comment above... it says it all. And thier product has NOTHING to do with them sponsoring NASCAR, that is an advertisement for them, period... that car is a big, expensive, rolling billboard to them, what does the quality of their products have to do with the advertisement? Advertisement is to make people believe what you are selling, a company will do that no matter what they are selling.
Old Apr 13, 2005 | 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by claybo1708
Instead of asking questions here, why don't you go to Amsoil's website for answers to your questions. I surely don't have time to sit here and type all day.

As for people who are seeing the benefits of Amsoil (and NOT trying to sell it) I could give you a list of customers who enjoy it. Just yesterday one of my customers told me that since switching his Powerstroke and Beetle from Rotella to Amsoil, his fuel mileage has increased (from 22 to 25 on the Powerstroke alone.)

And do some more research on pyramid schemes vs. network marketing B4 you type.
I think mobile1 and other synthetics are the greatest thing to come around... I am curious why I have never seen Amsoil in a parts store yet though... at least none of the major ones I have been to in Minneapolis as of yet..... I am not knocking the synthetics a bit.. that is all I use in my cars... I just get a bit nervous at letting liquid combustion byproducts build up in my oil for 15,000 miles.... the oil itself can most likely handle the long life.... but when it is being slowly thinned and mixed with byproducts from the engine... I prefer to change it more often.... the cleaner your oil stays the better, so I am definitely not hurting my car by changing it a couple of times a year more.
Old Apr 13, 2005 | 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by engifineer
I think mobile1 and other synthetics are the greatest thing to come around... I am curious why I have never seen Amsoil in a parts store yet though... at least none of the major ones I have been to in Minneapolis as of yet..... I am not knocking the synthetics a bit.. that is all I use in my cars... I just get a bit nervous at letting liquid combustion byproducts build up in my oil for 15,000 miles.... the oil itself can most likely handle the long life.... but when it is being slowly thinned and mixed with byproducts from the engine... I prefer to change it more often.... the cleaner your oil stays the better, so I am definitely not hurting my car by changing it a couple of times a year more.
The reason you don't see it in the large chain stores is because amsoil is "protecting" the small dealers. How can a dealer sell product when someone can just go down to some franchise and buy it. They are "looking out" for us, the little man

Used oil analysis is informing me on the condition of my oil...if it becomes unsuitable for my engine, they will tell me to change it.
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Originally Posted by engifineer
I think mobile1 and other synthetics are the greatest thing to come around... I am curious why I have never seen Amsoil in a parts store yet though... at least none of the major ones I have been to in Minneapolis as of yet..... I am not knocking the synthetics a bit.. that is all I use in my cars... I just get a bit nervous at letting liquid combustion byproducts build up in my oil for 15,000 miles.... the oil itself can most likely handle the long life.... but when it is being slowly thinned and mixed with byproducts from the engine... I prefer to change it more often.... the cleaner your oil stays the better, so I am definitely not hurting my car by changing it a couple of times a year more.
The reason you don't see it in the large chain stores is because amsoil is "protecting" the small dealers. How can a dealer sell product when someone can just go down to some franchise and buy it. They are "looking out" for us, the little man

Used oil analysis is informing me on the condition of my oil...if it becomes unsuitable for my engine, they will tell me to change it.
But not looking out for the customer.... by selling it through a chosen few vendors.. they skyrocket the price... sad
Old Apr 13, 2005 | 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by claybo1708
Originally Posted by engifineer
I think mobile1 and other synthetics are the greatest thing to come around... I am curious why I have never seen Amsoil in a parts store yet though... at least none of the major ones I have been to in Minneapolis as of yet..... I am not knocking the synthetics a bit.. that is all I use in my cars... I just get a bit nervous at letting liquid combustion byproducts build up in my oil for 15,000 miles.... the oil itself can most likely handle the long life.... but when it is being slowly thinned and mixed with byproducts from the engine... I prefer to change it more often.... the cleaner your oil stays the better, so I am definitely not hurting my car by changing it a couple of times a year more.
The reason you don't see it in the large chain stores is because amsoil is "protecting" the small dealers. How can a dealer sell product when someone can just go down to some franchise and buy it. They are "looking out" for us, the little man

Used oil analysis is informing me on the condition of my oil...if it becomes unsuitable for my engine, they will tell me to change it.
Man, they got you hook, line and sinker! Kind of like Stepford wives, except with oil!
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Stepford Wives........who watches that crap?!?!?!
Old Apr 14, 2005 | 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted by claybo1708
Stepford Wives........who watches that crap?!?!?!
Hmmm lets think about this.... IN the US it brought in about 60 million, while worldwide it brought in 101 million. That money didnt appear out of thin air did it?
Old Apr 14, 2005 | 12:59 AM
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Originally Posted by claybo1708
Stepford Wives........who watches that crap?!?!?!
Amsoil.....who sells that crap?!?!?!?
Old Apr 14, 2005 | 02:11 AM
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Originally Posted by jrv2000
Originally Posted by claybo1708
Stepford Wives........who watches that crap?!?!?!
Hmmm lets think about this.... IN the US it brought in about 60 million, while worldwide it brought in 101 million. That money didnt appear out of thin air did it?
I watched it :dodgesflyingtomatoes:

Nicole Kidman's hot but the movie sucked, concept is interesting though
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Originally Posted by Scott17
I'm 41. It seems like the younger guys are more prone to buying into hype.
.......are you sure????
Old Apr 14, 2005 | 02:22 AM
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Pretty sure,I've become more of a skeptical bastard with old age and experience. Just seen too many of these things play out over the years and nobody has really re-invented the wheel yet.........
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29 and try not to be overly skeptical.... but my background causes me to require a little more when it comes to research and proof of a product like this.
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Heh.

58 year old retired engineer...
Old Apr 14, 2005 | 02:27 PM
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^^^^^^^Now this guy has some book lernin' and life experience under his belt! I bet you could share some of your wisdom on many issues for the younger guys. Try the TC forum and see if you don't get a headache!
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That's too much like work, Scott!!!

Every now and then I toss something in, but I don't claim to be 'all knowing.'

One thing experience DOES teach is how much one does NOT know...

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Truer words were never spoken!
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That's too much like work, Scott!!!

Every now and then I toss something in, but I don't claim to be 'all knowing.'

One thing experience DOES teach is how much one does NOT know...

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"The first sign of true intelligence is admitting you don't know eveything." These words have carried me for most of my life.
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Knowing you dont know $#!T proves you've learned some $#!T ..... heh heh... ok, drinkin beer again
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my first run in with synthetic oil ( Mobil 1 ) was roughly 17 years ago when a farmer brought his 6.2 diesel powered Chevy to us to have it "gone through"...it was well over 200,000 miles...we figured it was going to become a full rebuild...boy were we wrong about that...ran a glaze breaker though the cylinders, put new rings on the pistons, and installed new rod and main bearings...the heads got a full valve job...I have since used nothing but full synthetics in my vehicles and am partial to Castrol Syntec at the moment...it is interesitng to note that the Mobil 1 the farmer was using wasn't even approved for use in diesels but yet held up and protected the internals so well it was unbelievable...the wear on the camshaft and bearings was so minimal we just put those back in...he claimed a drain interval of 7,000 miles and a filter change at 3,500 miles...we saved his invoice to show to people asking about the benefits of synthetic vs. conventional...we have since did many more motors with synthetics...and all look very good inside when proper maintenance is followed...



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