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Old May 22, 2007 | 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Jenna
Let me say this again, and I'm sure I've said it if not once, several times. I don't think that all men let their sex drive get in the way of their decisions. Just like I know that not all women have PMS problems but that even those who do, let that affect their decision making.

And how do you know that for sure in your above statement? You can't say that with any certainty. Just like one could never say with any certainty that a woman did this or that due to PMS.

And per your comment, can you find some evidence that shows women in high power positions have made bad decisions based on their time of the month?
like the longhorn was pointing out earlier, PMS is not it, it's women's emotions in general. 99% of the time at work they may be fine, but then out of left field here comes the incredible hulk, out to destroy anyone's happiness.

PMS is not much of a problem by itself, but it is the agreat multiplier when it comes to women's emotions. Normal acting logical women(if there are any out there) wouldn't have this problem of pms, but emotionally on edge women with pms are over that line.
Old May 22, 2007 | 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by mitchelltc1
Well, I read the entire thread, so I might as well post my overall opinion, as frightening as that is in here...

LOL, anyhow, I would be in support of a well qualified female president, BUT I do have my concerns...

As it was mentioned before, I fear how some Middle Eastern and Oriental countries would view our "Mrs. President ". This is especially true during the war we are in now, and with a lot of our foreign affairs dealing with Islam, where the extreme don't even let women show their faces... It would not only appear weak, but probably offensive to some foreign rulers.
That's very valid.

I wonder how female leaders have been responded to in the past with those countries and how that all worked out.

On one hand, I wouldn't want our leader to appear weak and would like he or she to be completely respected and if being a male makes this possible, then I'm all for a male leader.

On the other hand, how can that sort of attitude about women change if women aren't put in such positions to prove them wrong? I don't now if I want the U.S. to be the one to appear weak in their eyes, just to prove a point... kwim?

Maternity would also be a concern, but I would assume any woman running for President, would take it on themselves to be the President first, and put the possiblity of motherhood on the backburner for the next 4 years. Since you have to be at least 35 to run for office, I guess this would mean a woman would have to have children either fairly young or very late.
Yeah that. And not often do we even see presidents that are 35, they're much, much older.

Final thought for now... what about protecting the President? Or would that be "Presidentette"? Anyhow... Obviously some of the Secret Service would have to be replaced with females so that Mrs. President would be safe changing or in the bathroom, etc. Would there be a vulnerability factor? How about paparazzi and the obvious jokes etc. that will come from our own people let alone foreigners? Just asking "?'s" I don't know if I've even made up my own mind over this stuff...but I could see some pretty rough stuff happening.
LOL, maybe just a few female Secret Service agents to check the sanitary receptical for bombs in the bathroom, lol.

As for jokes and stuff... I wouldn't vote a woman president in if I didn't think she could handle stuff like that.
Old May 22, 2007 | 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by citizen01
Show me where in this thread I said that a woman should not be president due to her making bad decisions based on her time of the month...

I am still being logical jenna, just playing devils advocate at the same time
Huh?

Everything I say in this thread has been confused by you, I believe. Did I say you said a woman shouldn't president?

And the last thing I quoted from you wasn't you playing devils advocate. And if you were, you worded it wrongly and I have a right to respond to it.
Old May 22, 2007 | 07:13 PM
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Okay, my little superior, logical thinking males, I'm off to the bank.
Old May 22, 2007 | 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by mitchelltc1
As it was mentioned before, I fear how some Middle Eastern and Oriental countries would view our "Mrs. President ". This is especially true during the war we are in now, and with a lot of our foreign affairs dealing with Islam, where the extreme don't even let women show their faces... It would not only appear weak, but probably offensive to some foreign rulers.
Extremists being the point here, you would all be amazed what these countries' population does in their own homes.

Other countries have women as their President/Prime Minister so wtf is America afraid of??? What they can't stand a couple of jokes? I'm positive it would be ridiculed much less than it is now under Bush.
Old May 22, 2007 | 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Jenna
And per your comment, can you find some evidence that shows women in high power positions have made bad decisions based on their time of the month?
^This is what I was responding to.

Yeah... I agree... a lot of misunderstandings in this thread. It does seem like you women have been overly hostile though.

I said in the begining that I think a woman could do just as well as an equally credentialed man. But that is not as fun as saying a women gets emotional during her period.
Old May 22, 2007 | 07:21 PM
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the leader of the free world, a woman? haha! do that and we are asking for trouble!
Old May 22, 2007 | 07:22 PM
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I saw a t-shirt a few weeks ago that sums up my feelings:

On the left hand side, a picture of Obamas face.
On the right side a picture of Hillary's face.

Running under both pictures was this term which we have all heard before:
















Bro's before ho's!

That shirt had me laughing so hard I nearly split my side!
Old May 22, 2007 | 07:25 PM
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[quote="tC4italy"]
Originally Posted by mitchelltc1
As it was mentioned before, I fear how some Middle Eastern and Oriental countries would view our "Mrs. President ". This is especially true during the war we are in now, and with a lot of our foreign affairs dealing with Islam, where the extreme don't even let women show their faces... It would not only appear weak, but probably offensive to some foreign rulers.
Originally Posted by tC4italy
Extremists being the point here, you would all be amazed what these countries' population does in their own homes.
even regular run of the mill islamists are very sexist. we got those women hiding their faces even here in america.

Originally Posted by tC4italy
Other countries have women as their President/Prime Minister so wtf is America afraid of??? What they can't stand a couple of jokes? I'm positive it would be ridiculed much less than it is now under Bush.
the way we control country's that we need to control is through perceived fear and power. A rightwing pro-christian male is a great way to show this. A liberal semi-religious woman is not. you can even understand that, right? the only 2 important country's with women leaders germany and england(when it had thatcher), are very conservative, and their countries aren't fearful of war and aren't doing any nation building though.
Old May 22, 2007 | 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by seattledave
Originally Posted by tC4italy
Extremists being the point here, you would all be amazed what these countries' population does in their own homes.
even regular run of the mill islamists are very sexist. we got those women hiding their faces even here in america.
- Again, you don't know do you? You have not lived in one of those countries and spoken their language and have seen/lived with them and know what they think behind the 'safety" of their walls.

Originally Posted by tC4italy
Other countries have women as their President/Prime Minister so wtf is America afraid of??? What they can't stand a couple of jokes? I'm positive it would be ridiculed much less than it is now under Bush.
Originally Posted by seattledave
the way we control country's that we need to control is through perceived fear and power. A rightwing pro-christian male is a great way to show this. A liberal semi-religious woman is not. you can even understand that, right? the only 2 important country's with women leaders germany and england(when it had thatcher), are very conservative, and their countries aren't fearful of war and aren't doing any nation building though.
I stated that based on many of the opinions on this thread it seems to me that NO the USA is not ready for a woman president since yr all $hitting in yr pants worrying about what others might think. Before worrying about what other nations think of the US if a woman runned it (sp), think about cleaning the dirty slate Bush has produced. No one fears the USA because of its power but because of the huge mistakes it can (and has made) make.
Old May 22, 2007 | 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by tC4italy
Originally Posted by seattledave
Originally Posted by tC4italy
Extremists being the point here, you would all be amazed what these countries' population does in their own homes.
even regular run of the mill islamists are very sexist. we got those women hiding their faces even here in america.
- Again, you don't know do you? You have not lived in one of those countries and spoken their language and have seen/lived with them and know what they think behind the 'safety" of their walls.

Originally Posted by tC4italy
Other countries have women as their President/Prime Minister so wtf is America afraid of??? What they can't stand a couple of jokes? I'm positive it would be ridiculed much less than it is now under Bush.
Originally Posted by seattledave
the way we control country's that we need to control is through perceived fear and power. A rightwing pro-christian male is a great way to show this. A liberal semi-religious woman is not. you can even understand that, right? the only 2 important country's with women leaders germany and england(when it had thatcher), are very conservative, and their countries aren't fearful of war and aren't doing any nation building though.
I stated that based on many of the opinions on this thread it seems to me that NO the USA is not ready for a woman president since yr all $hitting in yr pants worrying about what others might think. Before worrying about what other nations think of the US if a woman runned it (sp), think about cleaning the dirty slate Bush has produced. No one fears the USA because of its power but because of the huge mistakes it can (and has made) make.
i'm for hillary as president, as i feel she'll get the best job done domestically between her and her husband. I would rather see joseph biden as president, but he's got no support.

if iran, china, and north korea didn't fear the US in some way, they would not be as calm as they are now. If it weren't for the percieved retribution from the US, what would china have already done with taiwan? If it weren't for the percieved retribution from the US, n.korea would have nuked japan and possibly south korea even. Even if we make huge mistakes, it's usually on the aggressive side of fault, not the weak one.
Old May 22, 2007 | 07:55 PM
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I can't speak for China nor North Korea but I can vouch for Iran. Iran is not Iraq. Bear in mind it had one of the most powerful armies in the world at one time. My grandfather was one of the 3 generals in the army before the revolution came. If the US does go do something silly in Iran as it did in Iraq, better be prepared for a hell lot more dead soldiers. That's all.

Crazy people don't fear unfortunately.
Old May 22, 2007 | 08:06 PM
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The US has roughly 300,000,000 people.

About 90,000,000 of them are old enough to be president.

About 50,000,000 of them are female.

If GWB is the best that we were able to come up with for 8 years from the male side of the chart, maybe it is about time we looked at that 50,000,000 on the other side to see if we can do better.

I'll bet we could do better than what we have.

Tom
Old May 22, 2007 | 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Tomas
The US has roughly 300,000,000 people.

About 90,000,000 of them are old enough to be president.

About 50,000,000 of them are female.

If GWB is the best that we were able to come up with for 8 years from the male side of the chart, maybe it is about time we looked at that 50,000,000 on the other side to see if we can do better.

I'll bet we could do better than what we have.

Tom

Thought I'd never say this but: I agree with you Tomas.
Old May 22, 2007 | 08:28 PM
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Tomas for president!
Old May 22, 2007 | 08:40 PM
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If women didn't hate each other, yall would already rule the world. The reason men own everything is that we play well with others much better.

Women are women's own worst enemies, not us evil hairy stinky men. Personally, I'd vote for Hillary if she wins the democratic primary, however not a single female I know would vote for her under any circumstance (well except for the few progressive chicks here).
Old May 22, 2007 | 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by scionofPCFL
not a single female I know would vote for her under any circumstance (well except for the few progressive chicks here).
they will when they're given the choice of her or mccain spouting his newly formed anti-abortion stance in this day and age.
Old May 22, 2007 | 09:00 PM
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LOL at Mccain. He went from one of the most conservative voters to most liberal and back again.
Old May 22, 2007 | 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by citizen01
Tomas for president!
To quote from history: "If nominated I will not run, if elected I will not serve."*

(What bothers me the most, I guess, is that I absolutely cannot believe that the Shrub is the best we could get out of a pool of 90,000,000... If that's the best we can do, God save us all - we are doomed.)

Another quote; "Doomed! Doomed I say!"

Tom

* William Tecumseh Sherman
Old May 22, 2007 | 09:09 PM
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There wont be a woman pres or any other pres besides a white male for a LONG LONG time. The way the system is currently set up, we have a democrat and a republican selected by the shadow government. The two candidates almost always belong to the skull and bones secret society. Then we all go out and vote for the people they have already decided for us. The truth is that it does'nt matter who's in office. Same agenda, different _______.



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