Look at this map:



Like I've said, I've seen how rivers can rise with our normal flooding we get in the States by 20 to 30 feet. We're not talking about normal floods tho, we're talking about extremely rare events. If a semi-normal, once every 5 year flood raises the guadalupe 20 to 30 feet, how exactly do you think that translates to an event that is so rare it only happens once every 5000 years?

Take what you've seen live in the flesh on the news with the Mississippi and Ohio rivers here, and translate that to this map, with 3 to 4 weeks of constant rain (or more). Think about a huge Noreaster or Hurricane type of storm, how it could easily traverse the Mediterranian to the Caspian Sea with no difficulty whatsoever. Think about it lingering there for a month or more, depositing feet upon feet of rain, and how that would translate to the river basins.

Then come back and tell me what I've been talking about is impossible. Peronsally, when it comes to mother nature, weather, and water, I really don't underestimate what can happen.

 

I think she's refering to "why do we have various degrees of murder with various types of punishments".

The answer to that is the law recognizes the difference between killing in the heat of the moment and premeditated murder. Is the end result the same? Yes, but the courts recognize motives.

 

Lets face it, if some animal in human form rapes and kills a six year old girl, that "person" does not deserve to breath.

 

Agreed. I think we all agree on that.

~Stephanie

 

HAH, best answer in this thread.

i might have to quote you on that one in my sig. lol im not making fun of anyone thats just such a witty answer. kudos +2

 

it would be much more beneficial to find out why there are so many murders in this country and how to prevent them rather then spend all this time talking about how to execute them.

 

True Chris...but how would you go about that? Apply what I am going to tell you to the situation at hand:

A little boy hides under his mother's bed while she has sex with some guy....all the boy is looking at is her feet. He then grows up to have a foot fetish.

It is true, very true. So if someone has a thing with killing people, it could be because of their background, they were around violence maybe? So how do you prevent someone from being around violence? That is nearly impossible. So what do you suggest we do?

~Stephanie

 

your definately right steph (hope its ok i call u that hehe). I wish i had a solution to the problem.

I dont know really what we could do to fix things. Other countries dont have our problem even half as bad as us. There are major cities in this world that literally only have a few murders a year, while baltimore city alone goes into the hundreds each year.

Its one of those problems that you really need a government to step in and apply their finances to see wtf is going on. Global warming is the same way, we cant really fix it as individuals until the government gets the ball rolling.

We just need to figure out why americans kill americans so often when this doesnt happen in other modern civilizations.

 

It's fine to call me that....I prefer Stephanie.....Steph sounds a little butch to me, but whatever.

Ya, I think if it could be prevented, then it would be. So....

~Stephanie

 

People freak out about our murder rates, but it's important to understand that a very very large percentage of murders in this country are gang/drug related. And I don't mean people hopped on drugs either, I mean people getting killed at the point of transaction or later on after screwing over the wrong person. Then a chain of get even murders occur. Decriminalizing drugs would end a lot of that. Then the next big portion of murders, domestic violence, would be the next thing to work out.

 

Wow holy crap are we back on topic, I guess I can tune back in on the debate. I had enough of this battle between God/no God.

No one answered my question: Do people who support Pro-Choice also support the Capital Punishment? It's driving my made I mean it seams you would have to.

 

I define murder as taking someone's life against their will. That is the difference between capitol punishment and abortion. An unborn child has no vested interest in living much like a coma patient we might pull the plug on.

 

That rational seems flawed as every living being has a natural "vested interest" in living. In psychology their observations have concluded a long time ago that even babies have a pre-wired desire to feed and sleep which is a "vested interest" in living. Again there has to be some other rational that differentiates the two.

 

I still don't think that your example of wanting to "eat and sleep" constitutes a consious "vested interest" in living. A weed also wants to eat and sleep, would you hesitate to pull one out?

Personally, I would never support anyone having an abortion and would likely cut off communication with someone who did after trying my best to get her to have it adopted. But being that I will never be an 18 year old harvard bound girl who gets raped and has to decide between a great future... Ah hell, you get the point.

 

Exactly why I stated ALL living things have a vested interest in living, just because I baby or an embryo can not say "please don't kill me" it does not mean it doesn't have a vested interest in living. So although murderers can say "please don't kill me" it's just about the same as an abortion.

I wont go into the abortion topic anymore then I have to, to explain my point between the two so I won't respond to your second paragraph.

 

But what is the conscious difference between a plant and an unborn child then? Would you pull a weed out of the ground? Would you kill a person? See the difference?

 

It has been my experience that you'll find very few folks who support both. The only reason I'm against the death penalty is because of the lack of fairness in the court system. Killing a murder isn't that big of a deal to me, the problem is I lack confidence in the courts to always convict the right person.

I'm not "pro-abortion", but I'm not "pro-life" either. I'm also of the opinion that the pro-lifers need to get off their behinds and start a nationwide campaign to get more adoptions. This would mean mobilizing their efforts to change existing laws that suck for people trying to adopt, and for marketing. Of course this would mean less time bombing and picketing family planning centers, but the end result would be a whole lot less babies aborted, and a lot of childless couples happy.

 

It's societies value of a weed. We don't care much for weeds when compared to a human being, that is why those two topics are such hot debates. With your idea though I am not understanding why you would group a murderer (or whatever they did to get death) with a baby.

 

very good points, I completely understand his reasoning.

 

I'm not. By your own logic an unborn child has the same vested interest in living as a plant. A murderer has the same vested interest in living as you or me. You are the one to link the two. I am explaining the difference. Make more sense now?