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Old Apr 18, 2007 | 05:21 PM
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Yeah how many times have you heard of a pot head beating their kids. Hell no they're too lazy to get up, unlike alcohol.

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Old Apr 18, 2007 | 05:22 PM
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As long as it is only legal in the privacy of your own home and not on the streets or in public areas then I have no problem with it.

As for why alcohol is legal, that impares you only...not counting drunk driving, which is illegal. Marijuana can potentially impare others near you. There is no such thing as getting contact-drunk.
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More people have died from obese related deaths than marijuana(diabetes, heart attack, etc) but are we going to outlaw cheeseburgers because some people can't control themselves?
Old Apr 18, 2007 | 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by citizen01
More people have died from obese related deaths than marijuana(diabetes, heart attack, etc) but are we going to outlaw cheeseburgers because some people can't control themselves?
though it being illegal has nothing to do with people controlling themselves otherwise alcohol would be illegal again, it has everything to do with politics...how would our lovely gov't tax such a drug?
Old Apr 18, 2007 | 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by BigMURR
Originally Posted by citizen01
More people have died from obese related deaths than marijuana(diabetes, heart attack, etc) but are we going to outlaw cheeseburgers because some people can't control themselves?
though it being illegal has nothing to do with people controlling themselves otherwise alcohol would be illegal again, it has everything to do with politics...how would our lovely gov't tax such a drug?
I was replying to jennas post about how it got out of control in her life.

Taxing it would be relatively easy. Nobody would have a dealer anymore they would simply go to the store and buy marboro "greens" and pay the acording sales tax.
Old Apr 18, 2007 | 05:33 PM
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oops my mistake.

why do that when you can just grow it yourself?
Old Apr 18, 2007 | 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by BigMURR
Originally Posted by citizen01
More people have died from obese related deaths than marijuana(diabetes, heart attack, etc) but are we going to outlaw cheeseburgers because some people can't control themselves?
though it being illegal has nothing to do with people controlling themselves otherwise alcohol would be illegal again, it has everything to do with politics...how would our lovely gov't tax such a drug?
Easily. They'd tax it and sell it (in it's smokable form) just like they do cigarettes. It would have a class stamp and be taxed accordingly. Of course the tax would be so high and be under more stict control than alcohol that no one would want to go to the trouble to buy it (from the gov.) Private sellers would be required to include tax stamps on their product by law. How paranoid would that make you? Anyway don't forget all the "hidden" value of hemp. What a shame it has been reduced to a fad of the mid to late 90's. Pot will never be legal in any wide spread way in this country. Not because people can't control themselves. We know they can't. All you have to do is look around. People are going freakin nuts everywhare at a faster and faster rate. Legallizing pot is the least of the government's priorities. It's just another thing they don't want to have to deal with. Let's just all move to Canada ehh?
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For the same reason nobody grows tobacco. It would be impractical. You hae to realize that it would no longer be an expensive product. No more so than cigarettes.
Old Apr 18, 2007 | 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by BigMURR
Originally Posted by citizen01
More people have died from obese related deaths than marijuana(diabetes, heart attack, etc) but are we going to outlaw cheeseburgers because some people can't control themselves?
though it being illegal has nothing to do with people controlling themselves otherwise alcohol would be illegal again, it has everything to do with politics...how would our lovely gov't tax such a drug?
the reason why alcohol became illegal during prohibition, is the drinkers didn't vote, because they didn't think hardly any men would vote for prohibiting alcohol. And they were mostly right. Women, yes women, are the main reason prohibition came about. They had just gotten the right to vote and it was socially unacceptable for them to drink anyway.

we'd tax pot like tobacco. it's been done for 100 years by now, our government has it down. packs of joints, $2 a pack. if you want to buy bags of it, kinda like chewing tobacco or loose tobacco for rolling, that's taxed too.
Old Apr 18, 2007 | 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Bsbox
Originally Posted by BigMURR
Originally Posted by citizen01
More people have died from obese related deaths than marijuana(diabetes, heart attack, etc) but are we going to outlaw cheeseburgers because some people can't control themselves?
though it being illegal has nothing to do with people controlling themselves otherwise alcohol would be illegal again, it has everything to do with politics...how would our lovely gov't tax such a drug?
Easily. They'd tax it and sell it (in it's smokable form) just like they do cigarettes. It would have a class stamp and be taxed accordingly. Of course the tax would be so high and be under more stict control than alcohol that no one would want to go to the trouble to buy it (from the gov.) Private sellers would be required to include tax stamps on their product by law. How paranoid would that make you? Anyway don't forget all the "hidden" value of hemp. What a shame it has been reduced to a fad of the mid to late 90's. Pot will never be legal in any wide spread way in this country. Not because people can't control themselves. We know they can't. All you have to do is look around. People are going freakin nuts everywhare at a faster and faster rate. Legallizing pot is the least of the government's priorities. It's just another thing they don't want to have to deal with. Let's just all move to Canada ehh?
Too bad most of us were too young to vote when Nader ran. Someone call him up and tell him to give it another go.
Old Apr 18, 2007 | 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by citizen01
though it being illegal has nothing to do with people controlling themselves otherwise alcohol would be illegal again, it has everything to do with politics...how would our lovely gov't tax such a drug?
But that's the reason why I'd like to see all drugs illegal, like alcohol.

But I know that'd never work. And yes, we'd be better off not wasting so much of our time an energy fighting the drug laws... all drug laws. Lets spend it on anti-drug education instead and then make all the drug addicts go live islands across the world so that they don't steal all our stuff for drug money, lol.

There's just no easy answer and I have problems with just saying it should be legal.
Old Apr 18, 2007 | 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by citizen01
More people have died from obese related deaths than marijuana(diabetes, heart attack, etc) but are we going to outlaw cheeseburgers because some people can't control themselves?
You are right.....Jenna needs to understand that moderation is the key word when it comes to eating, drinking, pot......just about everything in life can be taken to degree that is unsafe, no matter what you are doing....That fact of the matter is if you cannot control yourself then you have bigger issues than wanting to smoke/drink all the time....
Old Apr 18, 2007 | 05:50 PM
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I didn't write that...

Anyways... Less pot addicts would be stealing money because pot would now be a fraction of the cost so that isn't a valid concern.
Old Apr 18, 2007 | 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Jenna
Originally Posted by citizen01
though it being illegal has nothing to do with people controlling themselves otherwise alcohol would be illegal again, it has everything to do with politics...how would our lovely gov't tax such a drug?
But that's the reason why I'd like to see all drugs illegal, like alcohol.

But I know that'd never work. And yes, we'd be better off not wasting so much of our time an energy fighting the drug laws... all drug laws. Lets spend it on anti-drug education instead and then make all the drug addicts go live islands across the world so that they don't steal all our stuff for drug money, lol.

There's just no easy answer and I have problems with just saying it should be legal.
so are you totally against inebriation?
if so, man that sucks.

I've read your take on it, but i find myself veyr productive, and i know you can be stoned and have alot of active fun. One of my favorite things to do is get toasted and go to target or safeway and load up on goodies. Do you think because some, or even most people can't control themselves on it, then the rest of us shouldn't?
Old Apr 18, 2007 | 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by BigMURR
Yeah how many times have you heard of a pot head beating their kids. Hell no they're too lazy to get up, unlike alcohol.

Weed all the way!!!
LOL... Nooowww I know why you were seeing ghosts. (from the do you believe in ghost thread)
Old Apr 18, 2007 | 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Fsu1dolfan
You are right.....Jenna needs to understand that moderation is the key word when it comes to eating, drinking, pot......just about everything in life can be taken to degree that is unsafe, no matter what you are doing....That fact of the matter is if you cannot control yourself then you have bigger issues than wanting to smoke/drink all the time....
Moderation doesn't save people from addiction.

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so are you totally against inebriation?
if so, man that sucks.

I've read your take on it, but i find myself veyr productive, and i know you can be stoned and have alot of active fun. One of my favorite things to do is get toasted and go to target or safeway and load up on goodies. Do you think because some, or even most people can't control themselves on it, then the rest of us shouldn't?
No, believe me, I love inebriation. I just can't do it with my drug of choice. Although it's not wise considering my past and my family history, I still love the opportunity to get smashed when I can (Miami... wow). So far so good... I can control myself with alcohol.

No, I don't think everyone should not get high/drunk whatever. I don't want to say that it should be legal either.

I don't know what to think. All those years of heavy pot use has screwed up my brain, lol.
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Too bad most of us were too young to vote when Nader ran. Someone call him up and tell him to give it another go.
don't say that. he's the reason bush won. only super liberal democrats would ever vote for him, and they did, instead of voting for gore(and u saw how close that was, just think if gore had gotten but a tenth of naders voters, he woulda won).

we have to vote for the lesser of 2 evils.
a republican can only do real change when the senate and house are republican majorities

a democrat can only do real change when the senate and house are democrat majorities

any independant would struggle getting any congressman to vote with him, and would probably wind up defeated by 2/3 majorities.
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[quote="Jenna"]
Originally Posted by Fsu1dolfan
You are right.....Jenna needs to understand that moderation is the key word when it comes to eating, drinking, pot......just about everything in life can be taken to degree that is unsafe, no matter what you are doing....That fact of the matter is if you cannot control yourself then you have bigger issues than wanting to smoke/drink all the time....
Moderation doesn't save people from addiction.[quote]

Addiction is a problem with the person not the substance itself......eating, drugs, sex, work, all these things can ruin your life....people need therapy at this point.....we are talking about people who can control and handle enjoying things in life.....i agree not everything should be legal since certian drugs taken once you can still OD and die from....pot is on the same level with alcohol..... When you can take a drug for the first time and OD and die as a result then there should be limits (illegal) set in place....Alcohol even has a step over pot in this area! When the last time you heard someone smoked too much pot and died....but just recently i heard about the kid on campus that drank too much and died......
Old Apr 18, 2007 | 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by seattledave
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Too bad most of us were too young to vote when Nader ran. Someone call him up and tell him to give it another go.
don't say that. he's the reason bush won. only super liberal democrats would ever vote for him, and they did, instead of voting for gore(and u saw how close that was, just think if gore had gotten but a tenth of naders voters, he woulda won).

we have to vote for the lesser of 2 evils.
a republican can only do real change when the senate and house are republican majorities

a democrat can only do real change when the senate and house are democrat majorities

any independant would struggle getting any congressman to vote with him, and would probably wind up defeated by 2/3 majorities.
Gore DID win.
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Originally Posted by Fsu1dolfan
Addiction is a problem with the person not the substance itself......eating, drugs, sex, work, all these things can ruin your life....people need therapy at this point.....we are talking about people who can control and handle enjoying things in life.....i agree not everything should be legal since certian drugs taken once you can still OD and die from....pot is on the same level with alcohol..... When you can take a drug for the first time and OD and die as a result then there should be limits (illegal) set in place....Alcohol even has a step over pot in this area! When the last time you heard someone smoked too much pot and died....but just recently i heard about the kid on campus that drank too much and died......
You have a point. If the only basis for something to be illegal is the death factor, then it shouldn't be illegal. Aren't there other reasons why it's illegal though?



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