Did something(s) get deleted???

 

I think so..............I think it was my last post............did SL deleted my post or is the server going overload, ?

 

No, I think mine was deleted. In fact, I think I've had 2 posts zapped on this thread. I guess someone doesn't quite get my humor.

Tom?

 

Wow.............I even think no one gets my humor. Internet is bad cuz it lacks "emotion"........which is one cause of all the drama and fights.

Dunno.........confused myself again...........another airhead moment brought to u by teabox aka Robert,

 

(xA_Factor, there have actually been folks warned in the past for posting up that cute little icon you posted the other day - I figured that you would take the hint when it immediately disappeared, but no, you posted it again - and i deleted again. I'm still trying to just quietly delete it, but it looks like that won't be allowed to work. *sigh* )

 

Tom, with all due respect, the crap I see on this site with 7/8 naked girls and such and the "booby" icon got deleted?

And yes, I've reported on some of those pix with ZERO results.

I think SL should be family friendly too, but the hypocrisy at times is crazy.

 

Can't help it, Scott, I only work here - for free.

I'm not the one who warned a member for using that icon, but it's almost like a court precedent - warning for that image is the 'accepted' action. I don't happen to agree, and have never warned for it, usually just delete it and folks get the idea. Occasionally, people get this wild hair and can't just accept the oddities and foibles of life on a private website and need to complain. Such is life.

There are a lot of other things that I politely PM a person about (images in signatures, too many lines in signatures, posting in ALL CAPS, etc. I don't usually feel that those are the sort of thing to warn folks about, especially n00bs. I caution them instead, and usually they apologize, ending the problem.

Occasionally I mis-judge and politely nudge a member and they turn and jump all over me for doing my job. Those folks in turn get a solid warning in their permanent record (and you only get two of those and remain a member).

Some of the other SuperMods here are not as gentle: They warn for any rule infraction, no matter how small, so when I politely and gently nudge someone instead of delivering a cold warning, it is very annoying to have them turn and bite.

Politely asking someone, for example, not to include images in their signatures, and having them turn and complain that that rule is stupid, and on other sites, blah, blah, etc. is just not something that is put up with. It turns a pleasant request into an official warning.

With 30,000 members to keep in line, it is nice when we can get cooperation with just a few words or a subtle action, but sometimes we have to bring out the tasers. (Even that doesn't always work, and those folks we shove out the door, kicking and screaming. Neither the mods nor the other members should have to put up with that.)

One can be nice and accept the rules - no matter how silly they might seem - or they can go elsewhere. Mods can't afford to spend hours on each of 30,000 people, coercing them to be nice. We ask (or tell) and expect compliance. If we don't get it, we will usually try one more time. If it still doesn't happen, we are out of time and patience and cut our losses.

Now, back to the little icon. *I* think it's cute, and don't really have any problem with it appearing when it fits, BUT, as a precedent has been set with another SuperMod already starting someone on the way toward the door because of it, I shouldn't really just wink and ignore it. I don't warn, but I do make it go away, hoping the hint is taken. I'm a "kinder, gentler" sort of mod.

Now, here's where ALL of you folks who want ScionLife to be a better place come in: There are more of you than there are mods, and you folks post roughly 100,000 posts a month. If each of you can (1) be a good neighbor and make your posts friendly and within the rules (no matter how silly - I don't agree with them all, either, but they ARE there) and (2) try to help others to do the same, things will be better. If one of your peers still just doesn't get the idea, use that little [!] button on their post and explain the problem to us.

Sometimes we will take an action, sometimes we won't, but in either case, you did your best to make ScionLife a little bit better.

(If we do talk to or warn another member, that is between them and us, and not something shared with third parties. Often times we will warn someone for an action and the will complain that someone else "did it too" so they better get a warning too. Even if they did, that is none of the first member's business.)

Lastly, something that really gripes a mod is for someone to use as a defense "but there are WORSE things such as..." or "but {somebody} else did it too!" Someone else doing the same or worse does not make it OK for you to break the rules. It is never an argument that will fly. It is just like telling an officer when he stops you that you saw someone else speeding, too.

Does anyone have a problem with me, as a SuperMod, trying to take small, subtle actions to nudge folks away from things that could/should get them warned, instead of just coming on all tough and saying a line was crossed and someone will have to pay? If not, then, I will continue to try persuasion, and only move to warnings and such if that doesn't work - or if the problem is too large for that.

Can't we all just be nice?

Tom

 

you made me hungry

 

HaHa..Tom your Icons make me

You do you create those???

 

Yeah, TeeCizzle, I have a small assortment of icons I've created and use. Glad they draw a smile.

Like I said to another guy who commented on some of 'em, it doesn't take too much to turn me into a cartoon...



Take care, all!

 

Could you not just have sent him a PM Tom? I think it was really rude and condescending how you replied to this. Isn't this topic about being nice to everyone? So why did you have to call him out like that?

 

I'm sorry but I really dont see it as calling him out. Mr Tomas, my personal SL hero, has produced a long and detailed explaination of why this was done. And I find it very helpful to understand the man's train of thought.

That gets it done and honest too. Please explain how this could be taken as so?

 

It's not just on this post that I have felt this way. Sometimes I feel that he goes out of his way to make someone feel stupid. I know Tom is a brilliant man that knows 100 times more than I will ever know in my life, but sometimes I read his responses as rude. I guess you could say that is one of the shortcomings of the internet and forums. I just know if that had been directed towards me, I would've been ____ed! A simple PM would have done the trick I think, but a public tongue lashing wasn't warranted. It could have been discreet and behind the scenes, but instead it was done in public for all to see. Add that to the list of SL's reasons for the downfall.

 

Well, not completely knowing, but the little that I do know of him leads me to a simple conclusion. Tomas likes to be thorough and tries to do things in the most nuetral manner. He was an engineer and had to be convincing enough to sell his ideas to the persons that allocated the funds for projects. This has sculpted his use of language to something beyond, or perhaps just differently than the rest of us regular Joes. Well, I think I should let him speak for himself I have no need to be anyone's advocate for whom I know so little of.

 

Let's put it this way, Midget, the action I took was challenged publicly so there should be no expectation that my explanation of my thought processes for that action should be private.

There was no point in my reply where I said anyone was wrong in what they did, in fact you will find the closest I came to that was disagreeing with the established precedent.

A further reason for my often explaining processes in in public and in detail is to educate as large an audience as possible in why things are often done the way they are.

Many times mods are vilified because members do not understand the larger view that has to be taken to run a site in a rational manner. I don't spend the time explaining to "call out" someone, but to explain the reasoning and to expand it to the general case.

So long as I am making the effort to do that, I want it to be public so it is of possible value to many - if I were to respond in private to just one person I would be much more terse, as there would be little incentive to spend that much time on an explanation.

Part of the problem, possibly, is I'm not a politician. I generally speak plainly and in detail even in person. I am used to communicating directly with technical folks who depend on accuracy.

I don't sugar coat but I also don't publicly attack others. That prior post was in no way a tongue lashing, but an explanation. Tongue lashings actually ARE delivered in private.

In general my style is to praise in public and punish in private.

Educational stuff is always public to give the widest audience access to it.

Some won't care for my 'style.' *shrug*

Tom

 

And that's the way it should be. Umm...props?

 

Tom, again, with all due respect, that's not what I was doing.
When you have a loose set of rules, it's up to the community at large to interpret them by seeing what stays and what goes.
With that, it's hardly shocking that I was wondering about "bOOby" gif when I can see real live girl's crotches in some threads?
Now again, I've reported on those pix and got NO action.

You don't have to be "everywhere" and monitor 100,000 posts per month to find that.

If Sl is going to be "family friendly" then you have to be consistent.
If it's not, then we need to know that too.

There are some of us with teenaged kids that I'd like to be able to look at this site (and those like it) without seeing what I see here sometimes.

OTOH, if SL wants to be that kind of site, I WILL NOT TRY TO CHANGE IT! I will simply move on.

I don't want to babysit the world either.

Now, my little nitpick: "I work for free" replies are as bad as the one you don't like about "well so and so did worse"
You volunteer. I do too on computer and motorcycle forums.
Not once have I said that because I signed up for free and have no right to gripe about it.

 

X2!

I fed the homeless, helped my little sister with her homework, mowed my neighbor's lawn, and made some cookies for a sick coworker. I didn't tell those people that I was doing it for free. The thing is, this isn't the only post you've said that. We all know you do it for free. It's like when Oprah does all of her humanitarian work and then does a whole episode about it and how great she is. But hey, if it makes you feel better to mention how great you are every time you clear something up in a forum, then the more power to you.

 

Don't get me going on Oprah...
Start another thread - I need to vent on that woman. (not that she's alone in HollyWierd)

And one last point to be clear, I'm not singling you out Tom - you just happen to be the only Mod participating in this thread.

 

Undersdtood (I think), SciontCya, but this whole thread was a diversion away from the main thrust of the original topic - a topic hijack - so I moved the bulk of it over here where we can beat on our shields with our swords, tear our hair, or roll in ashes without disrupting the 'be nice' topic in SoCal.