so far i don't really care for the christian religion(too boring), cathlic religion(too much work, stand up, sit down, stand up, sit down, stand up, hold hands, sit down, ect ect ect...)

so far its 0-3 and i'm in the lead!!!

 

Holy questions! God set everything up how sin works yes, but he gave us free will adam sinned causing the fall of mankind, that is why jesus had to die, because adam sinned because of that people couldnt have a relationship with God except going into the holy of holies, God wanted us to have that relatioship again, the only way to accomplish thats was Jesus, it is part of how things were set up, the "rules". is this making sense to you? mabey i could pm you later when i have more time.

gumwrapper if you throw a gum wrapper on the ground going ha im sinning. or at least thinking that then yeah i would say its a sin, and for the next three questions, it all is my last answer there.. It is all about relationship that is why he died for you, if you have a relatioship then you will know what God wants you to do, part of developing a relatioship is going to church, however i would choose wich church wisely unfortunatly there are a lot of churches that still operate as if jesus had never died, living totally by laws and not relationship. Yes it is that easy getting close to God knowing him loving him spending time with him God is alive and wants to spend time with you. dont dwell on the sins, because that is like living in the old testament before jesus died, if you live out of a relationship with jesus then you wont want to sin.

 

this is all old testament not saying that everything in the old testament is bad but alot of those things that were laws at that time were for the isrealites and the peoples protection things like "do not eat out of wooden bowls" this was because at that time there bowls would soak up meat juice and since they didnt have dishwashers they would not get clean and would grow bacteria and the peole would die. And the birth control thing, God told him to have sex with his brothers wife he didnt because he was being greedy he didnt want to share, so he disobeyed god out of greed that was the sin , it wasnt using birth control that was the sin.

 

You dont care for the christian religion thats because religion SUCKS!!! so that might have thrown a few of you off yeah? religion is boring, it is old testament, following all of the rules, God is awsome and not boring, if you think God is boring then you dont know God. Like I said it is all about having relationship with Him.

 

anyone else or does everyone understand?

 

mormonism

 

nameless ak... I can't really respond because I'm cooking dinner.'

I have some things I'd repsond with though it'll have to wait.

 

What?????? mormonism? what are you talking about. mormons are far from having a relatioship with God. (sorry if anyone is a mormon, but you are wrong

 

I understand, there is a few spots it took me awhile to repost because i am working at a store right now, though its really slow. PM me if you have anyother questions if im not here still :D

 

i like the amish ppl alot too i think they're on the right track very simple ppl

 

I dont know alot about amish people but i do know that amishism or whatever is not a religion it more like a culture, amish people most often believe like christians, but i think for the most part they arent very relational with God more like old testament stuff, but i dont want this thread to get off on amish people now.

 

hey jenna two movies i would suggest watching, if you havent allready are the passion of the christ, for those who forgot how the crusifixtion went, and allthough it is a disney it is the best one in a looong time, NARNIA it was taken from the books by cs lewis a christian author and the movie explains kind of how God set up the rules and why Jesus (the lion) had to die, so that we would be save, it is a very good movie.

 

I LOVE Amish. I've actually have read many books on them.

Also, nameless.... while I'm cooking dinner and not being able to devote myself very well to this thread, can you get me the verse or verses where it talks about the New Testament taking over the Old. Or something that would get me to believe that the stuff in the Old Testament is no longer valid?

Also, I don't mean to be argumentative. I'm honestly looking for something that speaks to me... that gives me the answer I need to decide what the meaning of life is, so to speak.

 

I never said that the old testament isnt valid it is valid but you have to understand that a lot of the things in the old testament were for that time period, like the wooden bowls. The hair being in braides, and what not, those were letters the "epistles" being written to a church and in there time and culture that was not exceptable, most of the time it was for health issues sometimes it was for their protection, God never made a law because he was just grouchy and didnt want you to have that fun. And those letters werent necesarily meant for our time, you really have to use your best judgement, and most of all seek God read the bible for answers. and also as far as the sinning thing goes understand that God has grace, not that it wasnt a sin but that God know where you are at as a person, say you smoke cigarettes i could argue that it was a sin, but were not going there, but if you did smoke and it was a sin , right when you say god im sorry for smoking please forgive me, God doesnt immediatly expect you to stop smoking never again he understand that it might take some time to stop, God understands you and what your going through, and he wants to help you if you ask. Dont try and say that well God i need to fade out of having sex with some girl that im not married to because thats just doesnt work, God is smart, But if someone does make a mistake he has grace and right when they ask for forgiveness he will forgive them. "God is your Father but He desires friendship with you also." (James 2:23 NKJV) God wants to be your friend.

 

Let me give you an example: You and your best friend are really close you tell each other secrets you do things with them you talk to them a lot and you know what they like and dont like right? When you go to the movies with your best friend you dont have to bring a check list with you and go over it saying ok i know she doesnt like it when i sing, and she doesnt like rap ohh crap the radio is on rap... okay now its on rock, she likes it when i tell jokes lets think... NO! you know what your friend likes and doesnt like you dont need a list, this is the type of relationship that God wants with you, he wants you to talk with him and do things together and he wants you to know what he likes and what he doesnt like, God desires to be your friend, that is what "christianity is all about" knowing God and Being his friend loving him. It may seem strange but you can have an intamate relatioship with God, thats what He wants to be close with you and be apart of your daily life.

 

Okay, then could I use my best judgment and say that whatever hintings there are in the Bible about having sex with the same person being a sin and say that that, too, was just for that time period? What about things in the New Testament... could not those things also be just for that time period too?

I'm just looking for something that tells me better about what is written in the Bible that one should follow and what we excuse as being out of date.

I think I could go on about other things but the Uno table is calling me.

 

Okay Jenna let me get somthing straight first Dont dwell on the rules. Rules are good and yes they are improtant, but when you have a relatioship with God he will show you what is sin and what isnt, this is the easiest way for me too know if somthing is right or not, is it out of love. everything we do should be out of love just like jesus. Am i throwing this gum wrapper on the street out of love? probably not, do i spank my children out of love, well hopefully. Do I have sex with someone im not married to out of love? you might think it is love that you have sex with them but it isnt. jesus said above all of these things is LOVE. and thats agape love remember not "i love green beans kind of love." I do not know everything but I do know that God loves you and me. okay and to calrify nothing in the bible is invalid, or void because of the time we live in, somthings are just differnt because of our culture. Like 1 Timothy 2:9 - I also want women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or expensive clothes. in the bible times this description is basically a prostitute, and if you want to be treated like a prostitute dress like one if you want to be treated like a princess dress like one. does this make since to you, a lot of the things were different then, all of the things that might seem weird have an explanation, I dont know all of them but there was a reason for them he told the women not to dress like that because if they did they probably would get raped. It is all out of love. Things like men dont sleep with another man, its pretty obvious that didnt change. so when i said use your best judgement i should have said research or ask some who knows.

 

Dang this thread really took off since i left work yesterday, LOL, look what i started, go me! :-P

 

I dont want to watch the passion. It seems kinda morbid to see a movie about Jesus dying on the torture stake. By the way, he didnt die on a cross, he died on a stake or pole.

 

Wow, you're sounding more and more like a jehovahs witness as opposed to a christian, is there something you're not telling us? lol

Anyways, with regards to this, there is dispute on the Greek word for "cross" which is "stauros." It can mean an upright stake or a cross. Therefore, some groups (like the Jehovah's Witnesses), say that Jesus died on a vertical stake. This is in error according to the New Testament.

First of all, there is a verse in the New Testament that demonstrates Jesus did not die on a vertical stake without a cross bar. If Jesus died on a vertical stake, then His hands would have been placed together over His head, one on top of another. It would be very easy to then take a single nail and drive it through both wrists at the same time. This is how crucifixion was done when victims were crucified in this manner. However, if a person was crucified on a cross, then two nails were required, one for each wrist, since the hands would be spread apart.

If we check out John 20:25 we see that the plural word "nails" is used in reference to Jesus' hands.

"The other disciples therefore were saying to him, "We have seen the Lord!" But he said to them, "Unless I shall see in His hands the imprint of the nails, and put my finger into the place of the nails, and put my hand into His side, I will not believe,"

The plural form "nails" is used. This means that more than one nail was used upon Jesus' hands. Therefore, we can conclude that the most logical explanation for the plural use of nails is that there is at least two nails, one for each hand that was stretched out from left to right as would be done if Jesus were crucified on a cross. This would mean that the torture stake, or the vertical stake theory would be invalid.