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Old Jan 13, 2008 | 04:39 PM
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Im no Ford fan by any means, but I thought this was absolutely ubsurb when I heard this. Turns out Ford has gone after a Mustang forum and their calender with member's rides. They have haulted them from producing it and threaten legal action. I don't see how they have the right to the owner's vehicle pics, but Ford thinks they do.

http://www.bmcforums.com/showthread.php?t=42402

This makes me glad that I am a Scion owner and proud of how much Scion supports it's owners and encourages the modding of the brand.

*I am in no way affiliated with any persons involved*
Old Jan 13, 2008 | 04:50 PM
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Holy hell!
Ford should be happy anyone gives a $hit about their cars!
God, that's lame.
That's why Toyota is kicking the US's ___.
Old Jan 13, 2008 | 04:58 PM
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I think it's because they're selling it?? I think ours are free. Not sure.
Old Jan 13, 2008 | 05:50 PM
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wow, huge mistake by Ford...
Old Jan 13, 2008 | 06:06 PM
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i think what happens is that FORD is threatened by them cuz they make such great calendar pics and maybe FORD is trying to make one too that they sux and they cant sell their calendars. i think. i dont know but thats a very BOLD/STUPID move by FORD...
Old Jan 13, 2008 | 06:12 PM
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haha really stupid move by ford.. they're like stopping the people that are having fun with their car
Old Jan 14, 2008 | 12:07 AM
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Ford has been a rudderless ship for years. Between half-arsed attempts at breaking into vehicle segments, discontinuing parts on popular models, discontinuing popular model lines with no real replacement, and selling half-baked cars with poor quality (Wasn't it "Job #1"?), they have completely lost their way. This crap doesn't supprise me. The Mustang is the only vehicle in their lineup with any interest from younger customers, and they make some of its best fans lives more difficult. They only care about is selling their next cheapened out vehicle in order to stay afloat.

By the way, I am a former Ford owner, and not a particularly disgruntled one, but I want my car-makers in the car business. If they stuck to that line of thinking, they would not be in the trouble they are in now. They wouldn't need huge incentives on their cars if they made cars people wanted to buy in the first place. I would have probably replaced my Focus with another one, If Ford had improved it the way the European one was improved. Instead they re-hashed the old one to make it look new in a cynical grab for sales. And they have done it again, the 2008 Focus is essencially the same car released in 1998 in Europe, only much uglier. And forget about performance, as they first watered that down, then removed it completely with each redesign. So yeah, they dont know what they are doing, and need to value its customers more than as simply buyers of its products whenever a "new" one comes available.
Old Jan 14, 2008 | 03:59 AM
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wtf? !?!? Is this for real!?
Old Jan 14, 2008 | 05:15 AM
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WoW Ford is a jerk off company.... That's why Toyota is leading in the car industry. Because they care about their customers and there superior cars and performance!
Old Jan 14, 2008 | 05:23 AM
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This is 100% real as far as I know

more info:

http://www.bmcforums.com/showthread.php?t=42681
Old Jan 14, 2008 | 05:37 AM
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Really now ... is Ford serious??? I hope this hits the media big time, that's like 1st amendment infringement BIG time! Then maybe everyone will switch to Toyota/Honda quicker, hahahaha!

And now to add that I LOVE having a Scion which is practically a product of a company WANTING enthusiasts to do their thing! Ford is laaaame.
Old Jan 14, 2008 | 10:29 PM
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I too use to own a ford (99 ranger) prior to buying my XB2 and I will never own one again. It was a great truck..........until it hit 100,000 miles and then little things started going out on it. Got rid of it at 110k before something serious like the tranny or engine failed. My dad has an 01 f-150 with about 70k and it has some type of running lean issue that we can't figure out what the problem is & my moms 03 focus was the biggest P.O.S. ever. That thing has had every kind of problem you can think of since day 1.

I really believe FORD will be gone in 10 years or hopefully someone buys them out and starts from scratch.
Old Jan 14, 2008 | 10:43 PM
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AAG Posted: 1/14/08 6:29PM

my moms 03 focus was the biggest P.O.S. ever. That thing has had every kind of problem you can think of since day 1.
Yeah, my 02 started having little things go wrong around 60,000 miles. I got rid of it at around 75,000 miles before serious problems started. I know two other people with that car that had Ignition lock damage, one of those cars and mine had power window issues, and it had some really horrid brakes. Also, tires didn't last very long on that car either.

Ironically, after buying mine, my Mom considered buying a Focus. Until they tried to screw her over on her trade-in. It didn't help that both cars she was considering had noticible defects from the factory.
Old Jan 15, 2008 | 04:50 AM
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So... who wants to short Ford stock?

Boy, nothing like alienating your most dedicated customers to really screw yourself out of future profit, huh?
Old Jan 15, 2008 | 05:13 AM
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First off, here is a comment from another forum:

#10 posted by halkun , January 13, 2008 11:13 PM

Nope, I'm afraid that Ford is right on this one. This has been address by them before, and here is a copy of the letter that was sent to another automotive club when they tried to publish calenders themselves.

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"Although you and your members may own the Ford automobile, you do not own the rights to the trade dress. Taking pictures of any Ford automobiles, placing them on products (i.e. calendar, mugs, t-shirts, etc.) and making them available to the public for sale is an infringement of Ford's intellectual property rights."

"Because of the cachet of the world-famous Ford name, thousands of independent businesses and people make a living from or pursue a hobby related to Ford products and services. Unfortunately, many of these businesses improperly attempt to affiliate themselves with Ford by using Ford trademarks and trade dress (for instance, the depictions or photographs of Ford's distinctively shaped vehicles) in advertising their products and services."

"If a business not affiliated with Ford uses any Ford trademark, whether through the use of photographs, depictions or silhouettes, or any confusingly similar variation thereof, without Ford's express, written consent, then that business is violating Federal and state trademarks laws."

"It is also not sufficient for a business to state that it is not affiliated with Ford but continue to use Ford trademarks without permission. The business is still misappropriating the goodwill and reputation developed by Ford, and attempting to capitalize on or profit from Ford's goodwill and reputation. Even with the best of intentions, unauthorized use of another company's trademark is against the law."

"At times Ford enthusiasts question why Ford is so adamant about policing it's trademarks and preventing unauthorized uses or infringements of them. It is quite common for someone who is using a trademark without permission to say, "I'm giving Ford free advertising, so why does Ford care?" Ford cares because it is important that Ford be able to exercise control over the quality of the product or service bearing Ford's trademarks."

"To protect the value of its trademarks, Ford is obligated to object to and pursue unauthorized uses of its trademarks and trade dress, even if the use of the trademark or trade dress does not appear offensive or objectionable."

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In a nutshell, they were selling their trademark, which they must enforce or lose it. You notice they use the words "Goodwill". "Goodwill" is actually an accounting term, with a real monetary value behind it. It is the amount more the company is worth when adjusted for intangible assets, such as Intellectual Property. When the IP is infringed upon, the value of "Goodwill" goes down and the company loses perceived value.

Don't sell things trademarked by other people. That's really business 101 there.
http://www.boingboing.net/2008/01/13...wners-are.html

(I suspect there are ample court decidions on such things already.)

Also, Scion/Toyota are not totally above this fray.

Back when Scion had the big wing-ding in Miami, an enthusiast wanted to offer to all the winners a travel "messenger bag" printed up by Cafe Press.

Shortly after the item went up on Cafe Press for ordering it vanished - the lawyers for Scion had shot it down.

(During that brief window when it was available for order, I ordered one. It was printed up and shipped just barely before the lawyers got everything shut down. I suspect I may have the only one of these in the world...)

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^^ Wow that is an excellent point! And it really does make sense- I guess when I read that initial post I was thinking more along the lines of Ford owning pictures people take of their cars, but I guess it has more to do with selling them or using them to sell products...Ahh yes yes, my college business classes are starting to come back into my brain again heheh

Thanks for the info!!
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Originally Posted by IntegreS_350
but I guess it has more to do with selling them or using them to sell products...
I don't see how Ford wouldn't like this? Wouldn't this be more potential customers for them by seeing what can be done with their cars?
Old Jan 15, 2008 | 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by AAG
Originally Posted by IntegreS_350
but I guess it has more to do with selling them or using them to sell products...
I don't see how Ford wouldn't like this? Wouldn't this be more potential customers for them by seeing what can be done with their cars?

i agree

its free advertising for Ford!


nothing can be better for a car company other than showing consumers what real owners can do/have done to their cars.

when you sign the papers for the car, i believe you have the right to do w/e you like to it


does this mean b/c i debadged my car, i am doing something illegal?

its obvious that Ford wouldnt be where it is today w/o the help of its owners!
Old Jan 15, 2008 | 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Olesen_Custom_Automotive
Originally Posted by AAG
Originally Posted by IntegreS_350
but I guess it has more to do with selling them or using them to sell products...
I don't see how Ford wouldn't like this? Wouldn't this be more potential customers for them by seeing what can be done with their cars?

i agree

its free advertising for Ford!


nothing can be better for a car company other than showing consumers what real owners can do/have done to their cars.

when you sign the papers for the car, i believe you have the right to do w/e you like to it


does this mean b/c i debadged my car, i am doing something illegal?

its obvious that Ford wouldnt be where it is today w/o the help of its owners!

Yeah, it's free advertising, but at the same time, technically, you are using Ford's trademarks to sell things, and profit off it-- To my understanding (and please correct me if I'm wrong) its something like this: If you sell a black T shirt with nothing on it, how big of an audience would you have to buy it VS. if you sell a black T shirt with a Ford Logo on it-- Technically you'd be using the Ford Brand/Logo to sell your products and therefore make money off them, in a strange twisted legal sort of way- Whereas if you are a licensed business, then when you sell T Shirts with the Ford Logo, Ford gets a cut of that profit... I think---

A little help here?!
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it got approved

http://www.bmcforums.com/showthread.php?t=42820 {url corrected --Tomas}

Seems like they were able to work it out. Seems like Cafepress was the problem.



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