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how many places are you going to post this...

 

Yeah really....what's with the spam of this on EVERY board?

 

What does a pit bull site have to do with Scion or xB??? Pit bulls are dangerous useless dogs unless you have a junkyard to protect.

 

I just need to get this site name out. So tell every body. PLEASE!

 

Dude, OT...

 

Don't bag on Pit Bulls unless you have knowledege about them. That is like someone talking mess about the xB when they have no clue on what you can do with them.

 

I have plenty of knowledge of them. I wouldn't have said what I said if I didn't. The owners of them don't even realize that the public in general don't like them. So far my wife has shot one pitt and 2 rotties as a cop in Detroit. The pitt bull was chewing on a little girl and the rotts were biting our postman in the crotch. Is that enough knowledge? The inbreeding is so bad and it is well documented that they are known for turning on even the owners without cause.
Moreover, Michigan now has a law requiring all pitts to be tattooed so they can be identified and the owner prosecuted criminally.

 

I am sorry that you had bad insidents with them, but that would happen with any breed if you trained them the wrong way. Pit Bulls are the most Loyal and people friendly breed of dogs around. They are just getting bad raps, because of people who do not know how to care for them and train them to fight just because they think the breed is bad a$$. Here is some positive press for you.

Popsicle, Cool K9! One year ago, Popsicle helped the feds seize 3,075 pounds of cocaine from a pineapple-laden truck at the Mexican border-the biggest drug bust ever at the Hidalgo, Texas, port of entry.

Petunia visits area classrooms with the Greenbelt-based Partnership for Animal Welfare's Responsible Pet Owner (RPO) program. "Petunia waited while 40 children petted her," said Towson parent Karen Sindall. "I've never seen a more warm, loving and patient dog." Yet Petunia is a pit bull, a name applied to several breeds originally bred for strength, agility, dog-fighting and -- worth noting -- absence of aggression toward humans, because handlers had to work closely with the dogs. Today, bull breeds score high on temperament tests, and the majority are family pets.

As I unload my dog, one of the Sheriff's deputies says, "Hey, is that a Pit Bull?" "Yes Sir it is," I proudly say with a smile (this happens every time).

"I didn't know they can be search dogs?" he said. I tell him that they are perfect for search work. They are strong and athletic which helps them get through the roughest terrain. They have very good drive which keeps them focused on what they are doing. They can work for hours, and they LOVE people.

three-year-old pit bull named Marley is credited with saving a little girl in Alaska from a house fire in early December.

Marley, a black and white dog who looks like Pete from the Little Rascals television show, grabbed the back of six-year-old Autumn Marley's jacket to drag her out of the burning house.

Autumn alerted her mother who was cooking dinner that the entryway to the house was on fire. Julie Marley then forced open a seldom used back door so she and her two daughters could escape the fire.

As Ms. Marley left the house she turned to see Marley the dog pulling Autumn through the door to safety.

Jennifer Ingram, Marley's guardian, said that, "She's always been an awesome dog, but I didn't know she was capable of doing this." Ingram has raised Marley from a puppy.

Ms. Ingram was out shopping for Christmas presents when the fire broke out and arrived home to find Marley running loose in the midst of all the firefighters and bystanders.

She planned to take Marley to the vet to treat frostbite on her feet from being out in the snow.

Thanks to Autumn and Marley no one was injured in the fire, although the house was a total loss.

The Red Cross set up a place for the Marley family to stay, while Ms. Ingram and Marley the dog are staying with a friend.

2003 Animal News Center, Inc


MYTH: All Pit Bulls are mean and vicious.

It is reported on temperament tests conducted by the American Temperament Test Society that Pit Bulls had a passing rate of 82% or better -- compared to only 77% of the general dog population.

These temperament tests consist of putting a dog through a series of unexpected situations, some involving strangers.

Any signs of unprovoked aggression or panic in these situations result in failure of the test. The achievement of Pit Bulls in this study disproves that they are inherently aggressive to people. (Please visit ATTS.org)

 

Do you guys hear that....???



Its the sound of the worlds smallest violin playing KSL_RedSoxFan a smypathetic love song...

 

Aw man...My friend use to breed them......I dont care what anybody says they are great looking dogs, but I just wouldnt trust one enough to have one.

So speaking of how great and kind they are....here is an incident that just happened yesterday here in Houston...Well, Conroe, TX

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...n/4514422.html

 

That's all the same rhetoric all the pitbull owners spew to try and convince people that they are loving caring cuddly family pets. NOTHING could be farther from the truth. It's only a matter of time before they are banned out of existance to the general public. You have pointed out the exceptions.. But the majority of them have been so over bred that you cant trust them anymore.. which is sad.. The owners that did this should be shot its not the dogs fault they are owned by stupid people. But they will pay the consequences for that overbreeding now.

 

I didn't know you cared so much, maybe you can take me out and by me dinner next!!!

 

You are a friggin' IDIOT!! You have no clue & knowledge about this breed. You just had a bad run in with a more than likely MIX BREED that someone raised wrong! here is a little History for you.


Confusion among Pit Bull breeds

The three “pit bull” breeds all have nearly identical standards, with only the acceptable sizes and colors varying. Also, the AST and the APBT have the same heritage. Many people still consider them to be simply different types of the same breed. Dogs registered with the UKC as an APBT are often dual registered with the AKC as an AST. Adding to the muddle is the fact that many people refer to any dog of these breeds, as well as American Bulldogs and sometimes Bull Terriers, as “pit bulls.” There are actually 20+ breeds that can easily be mistaken for a pit bull.


Temperament
APBT (fawn)
APBT (fawn)

APBTs can be very sweet, curious, intelligent, and clownish. They are noted for their outgoing, affectionate, eager-to-please disposition and their fondness for people, and when raised with a firm but fair hand can make a wonderful family pet. APBTs can also be stubborn, pushy, and prone to display aggression towards other dogs. They are not a good choice of dog for a novice dog owner.

The American Temperament Test Society, Inc. breed statistics as of December 2005 show an 83.5% passing rate for the APBT as compared to an 81.2% overall pass rate for all the different breeds they test, showing that many of these dogs have stable and dependable temperaments. However, a firm, even hand and early obedience training are musts for this breed. Inexperienced owners tend to find them to be too much to handle - APBTs can be quite "bouncy"! They generally have a lot of energy and high prey drive; they need exercise and stimulation in order to channel that energy properly and not become frustrated, bored, and destructive.

Despite the stereotype, the average, sound-minded pit bull is not a threat where children are concerned. Though the AKC and UKC recommend that no child be left alone with a dog, the APBT, like many of its relatives, is a breed more likely not to know its own strength and knock a toddler down by accident rather than by force. (This is another reason why training is important.) With slightly older children they can be a patient and exuberant friend: pit bulls were bred to have a high tolerance for pain and thus will put up with a child's tail yanking, horseplay, and tumbling with little complaint. It is also a breed that is strong for its size and weight, so older children are better recommended to take the dog on its leash for walks.

APBTs often display some level of dog aggression, especially towards strange dogs of the same sex or level of assertiveness. Early socialization and good training can mean that many individuals of the breed never display this trait. However, it must be remembered that this breed was traditionally developed for dog fighting purposes, and even APBTs that were previously sociable may develop dog aggression as they mature; as a breed they mature later than usual, between the ages of two and three years. A responsible APBT owner does not let their dog interact with strange dogs unsupervised, and knows how to avoid a dog fight.

APBTs were never bred for human aggression or guarding behavior, and stable examples of the breed are generally not suitable as guard dogs. It is important that APBTs who display any sign of human aggression are not bred, in order to preserve the stable and friendly nature of the breed.

When selecting an APBT puppy, it is paramount to find a breeder who selects puppies for their good temperament and not for aggressive tendencies towards other dogs or towards humans. A good breeder should know the UKC standard, and should both health test and temperament test their breeding stock. A breeder who boasts about their dogs' "guard dog" skills or "protective" behavior is a giveaway that their dogs are bred for improper human aggression. It is also a good idea for prospective APBT owners to research the breeder, ask for references and ask to see their facilities and other dogs they have raised. It is also a good policy for owners to have their dog microchipped where possible as this breed is often stolen in and near urban areas for ill uses; in the U.S. a dog license is recommended as well as most areas require them.

Adult pit bulls are frequently also available from animal shelters. Reputable shelters will temperament test their dogs before adoption, so that only dogs with stable temperaments are available for rehoming. The advantage of obtaining an adult dog from a shelter is that its temperament is already known, and a dog with low dog aggression or low prey drive can be selected if desired.

As bright, athletic dogs, American Pit Bull Terriers excel in many activities, including weight pulling, search and rescue, dog agility trials, flyball, and can even do well in some advanced obedience training. In the United States they have been used as narcotics detection police dogs, Border Patrol dogs, and Search and Rescue dogs because of their tenacity, high energy drive, and versatility. In a home they can make wonderful dogs to go on a morning run with, take out on errands, and play fetch; they do best in a home with a backyard but will also do fine in an urban setting so long as they are walked and exercized often.


History

Originally bred from bull-and-terrier crosses brought to America from England and Ireland in the 1800s, they were popular in emerging cities for the sport of dog fighting. As the country grew, many dogs traveled with settlers to new homesteads where they were sometimes used as working dogs on farms. When bred for fighting, the breeder would look for strength, gameness, and lack of aggression towards people. Any fighting dog that showed aggression towards its owner or handler would be culled immediately. This created a line of strong dogs that, while being dog aggressive, would not turn on their owners. In the late 1800s to early 1900s, two clubs were formed for the specific purpose of registering APBTs: the United Kennel Club and the American Dog Breeder's Association. After dog fighting was made illegal in the United States, many dog owners wanted to legitimize the breed and distance it from its fighting roots. The name "Staffordshire Terrier" was adopted by some owners and was recognized by the American Kennel Club in 1936. Later, the word "American" was added to reduce confusion with its smaller cousin, the Staffordshire Bull Terrier. Not all breeders, however, agreed with the standard adopted by the AKC, and continued to use the name APBT for their lines. Much confusion still remains in regards to the APBT, the AST, and the SBT.

Once an extremely popular family dog in the United States, the American Pit Bull Terrier's popularity began to decline in the United States following World War II in favor of other breeds. Though still overwhelmingly kept by families with children in its homeland, it has come under fire in the past thirty years for its association with inner city crime and drugs. Many people of ill-repute mistakenly breed this dog for human aggression. They exploit its incredible willingness to please its master by teaching it to aggressively guard property against humans or leave it to roam the streets. However, this breed of dog does not have natural watch dog tendencies. If not trained to be wary or bark at intruders, they would sooner lick a burglar to death than bite or attack. (The majority of home raised pit bulls only attack if they feel a family member/friend is in danger.) They also may be kept for purposes of illegal gambling and dogfighting. Unfortunately, this breed is also often the most common target of dog abuse in urban areas. Outside of dog fighting and guarding property, the APBTs have been found beaten, starved, burned, mutilated, and mistreated to make them particularly aggressive. After the owner no longer has any use for the dog, the dog is left for dead or turned loose to die or find its way into animal control services, where it will most likely have to be destroyed. A large percentage of dogs euthanized in New York, Chicago, and Los Angeles are pit bull type breeds, despite the fact that in all three cities this particular instance of animal cruelty is a serious felony.

In jurisdictions where breed-specific legislation threatens ownership of American Pit Bull Terriers, owners are often advised by their peers to refer to their Pit Bulls, Pit Bull crosses, or even "pit bull looking" dogs as 'Staffys' or 'Amstaffs', which may be exempt from such regulations. Purists among American Staffordshire and Staffordshire Bull Terrier owners find this unethical, and resent it, perhaps fearing that the ultimate result of the subterfuge will be restrictions on their breed as well.

In the United Kingdom, the Dangerous Dogs Act 1991 prohibits the sale or breeding of "any dog of the type known as pit bull terrier". Some jurisdictions in the Australian states of Queensland, New South Wales, and the United States have similar breed-specific legislation, varying from a total ban on ownership to muzzling in public.

The United Kennel Club was founded with an American Pit Bull Terrier. It was also the first registry to recognize them.


Famous American pit bull terriers

* Pete the Pup, from Hal Roach's Our Gang comedy short films of the 1920s and 30s, later known as The Little Rascals. An APBT was again used for the 1994 Little Rascals film remake as well.
* Dakota, Tahoe and Cheyenne are search and rescue dogs that have responded to over 100 searches for missing persons, including the search for the astronauts of the space shuttle Columbia explosion and the search for Laci Peterson. [1]
* Popsicle, a United States Customs dog, is famous for sniffing out one of the biggest cocaine busts in Food and Drug Administration history. [2]
* Bandog Dread (Ch Bandog Dread, SchH3, IPO3, WH, WDS, CD, TD, U-CDX, S.D.-ducks/sheep) owned by Dianne Jessup was the most titled dog of any dog of any breed in history. He obtained multiple titles in conformation, competition obedience, Schutzhund, weightpull and herding.
* RCA was the first certified hearing dog in Alaska. [3]
* Backup, the dog featured on the hit tv show Veronica Mars, is a pit bull.
* Penny Lane, Rachel Bilson and Adam Brody's dog, is a pit bull


Positive press

Although negative information about pit bulls is widespread, there are also many positive stories. Some work in hospitals and care facilities as certified therapy dogs, many are well-loved family pets, and some have even saved people's lives. There are many incidences of pit bulls being productively employed by U.S. Customs [23], as police K9s [24] and as tracking K9s in various Search and Rescue organisations [25].

Often pit bulls have been reported to "adopt" other species of animals (such as kittens or squirrels), earning the breed the nickname "nanny dog". [26]

A rescued pit bull called Popsicle is a United States Customs dog, and is famous for sniffing out one of the biggest cocaine busts in history. [27]

In February, 2006, New Yorker magazine writer Malcolm Gladwell published an article surveying the research on pit bulls which concluded that legal attempts to ban the breed were both crude and unnecessary. [28]


Make sure you Punish the Deed Not The Breed! Know what you are talking about before you open your A$$!

 

Look, you have your thing that you do with dogs - that's fine and cool and whatever.

I think people are just not interested in hearing about it on Scion Life. Maybe try going to a dog website or something to promote the site to people who are actually looking for that kind of information.

 

Thank You!!!!

 

I just saw another story on the news right now where another pitbull was ordered to eat the cat and the owner thought it was funny. Results... Owner in jail and dog at the pound awaiting it's fate. Cat is dead! So Sad even tho I hate cats myself. But what do I know??? I'm a friggin IDIOT

 

BUT AS...... I told you before BAD OWNERS, people that that don't know how to take care of the dog.

 

scandalous wrote:
Look, you have your thing that you do with dogs - that's fine and cool and whatever.

I think people are just not interested in hearing about it on Scion Life. Maybe try going to a dog website or something to promote the site to people who are actually looking for that kind of information.
Thank You!!!! Relief


All I asked was to check out the site. If you would of kept your MOUTH SHUT!! We would not be even having this conversation. All you had to do is just not say anything and we could of gone back to talking about how sick my xB is gonna look after I am done with it.

 

Okay I gotta touch on this. I don't know this guy ^^ from Adam(and def. don't agreed with the KKO.com in his sig), but pits and rotts are GREAT dogs. I'm not going to try and change anyone's mind, because most people that think that way are staying that way=not worth my time.

I've had both a rott and a pit, at the same time. Talk about dedicated dogs. When they attack they feel threatened, or like your threatening their owner. I had a neighbor with a rott, smart as ish (as most of them are) and my dog's dad was huge (150+lbs) and still cool as 'f'.

But if you guys really believe that then go ahead, I hope rapist and murders believe the same. So I can live w/o worries, I'll walk my dog in the park everyday if I had one. LOL

ksl, i'd probably get one if I live in NorCal. What's your selling price?