You are mistaken. We know that it cant be both, but that doesnt mean it has to be either of them. It could be purple.

 

I honestly believe that there is a God. And although others may not believe in Him, I still know that he loves us all equally. I am not perfect, and need to change some of my life style, and also have no right to tell others what to believe or not to believe. I just know, from my experience in life, that when we are ready; so is God. He wants to do great things through each of us, and it's taken me further than I could ever have known. May God poor out His blessing on all of you, and win over non-believers with His endless love. Thanks for reading this extra-long post. :D

P.S. Bare in mind that I am not perfect, so if at any point I say something stupid, or rude on this site; I appologize. If I was perfect I would'nt need God. But since I am not, I need forgiveness.

 

By the way SciFly...you are the one that stated you read it and then missed the sarcasim because you obviously didn't.. Can't spin what you posted.

To answer your question...The act is. But the man he surely loves...but that's just how I read it. Spin it however you choose


1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (NIV): "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters, nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."

Leviticus 18:22 (KJV): "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind it is abomination."

Leviticus 20:13: "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

Romans 1:24-32:

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

 

24 through 32 points of blather.
Suggest you and the more reasoning Wibblywobbly butt heads for a while while I free think (as does Wibbly and the more intelligent Chistians I do know and respect-

ask a simple question and SD throws out scripture or spams threads full of audio links to "truth".

a,
men. Sheesh.

 

blather...27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.

Q; someone please parse the red out for me in plain english, more "seemly" to today's eyes. My "recompense" will be Understanding More,
maybe.

 

whats funny to me is people talk like you cannot exist without "god" "jesus" etc...

yet again I point out that christianity is a YOUNG religion...the entire human race would have failed if that logic were true but we evolved and without christianity I might add

people take all of the good things out of the bible and christianity, yet there is so much evil and vile things that have been done by christianity its amazing to me...

even more funny is people who put down muslims and peoples from the middle east for how fanatic they are...when people at home are exactly the same way

in my 32 yrs alive I can honestly say I cannot remember the last good hearted, honest day by day christian person ive known/met..I cant even remember any...because as ive stated before I find the worst people to know or work with are often times "christians" and its sad because I respect much of the ideals....the problem is everyone I come across does not practice what they preach

if I had to name ONE quality/trait I see the most from christians of any style is.....judging.

so many religious people judge, it makes me sick. worse yet its against the bible to judge lest ye be judged (correct me if I said that wrong)

 

ah men.

Well, I know many remarkably tolerant, quiet-voiced Christians.
They just are not -here- in this thread. Only a couple so far.

I do like a discussion or debate. I don't like hugely fat multiple-prongs arguments. Reminds me of the Devil's red forkings. Only cloaked in piety.

wibbly is fine. Oldmanatee? Why you not here?

When a fellow is in straits a paddle passed over is mighty welcome.

---
Pride. Who is proud? Not I.

 

You need to read the mormon topic, where I addressed the Christian apologetic explanation of that "Quoted Verse" which is the verse most commonly taken out of context... which is what the mormon discussion was regarding.... That every-verse must be presented within it's context, as on it's own, can be horribly missinterpreted... Which is ironically, where most of the origins of those horrible acts of "Christian" people were founded in.... verses they took of on context and misinterpreted to appeal to their messed up perspectives...

I won't address specifically the verse you stated, as you can read the recognized contextual interpretation in the other thread, as it's a little wordy... and wouldn't fit within this discussion... The Cliffs Notes - There are many new testament references that ask people TO JUDGE, based on Biblical intruction... and that the context of "Do not Judge, Lest Ye Be Judged" points to the fact that he was talking to legalistic Pharasies that were overlooking their own sins and declaring others unworthy of the love of God... It's not that simple, but again, if you want the real contextual interpretation, you can see it in the mormon thread...

I'm sorry your exposure to Christianity was so corrupted by the few "Legalistic" individuals, who in no way, represent the true teachings of Christianity itself... you cannot discount a belief system based on your observations of those who attest to believe it, you must address it within it's own merits and it's true teachings.... That is why you cannot address Islam, within the behavior of a its radical members, but must address it based on the core teachings of the Koran... and I share your disgust with any individuals who put down another faith solely on what behavior they see in its members, rather than by the merits of the worldview itself...

In Response to "Young Christianity"

Historically, Christianity has it's roots in Ancient Judaism, which dates back prior to the greeks and egyptians belief systems and is counted as one of the worlds earliest historically documented beliefs systems... So, the idea that the Christian Philosophy is new, is somewhat inacurate...

This can pull the discussion in a whole new direction, as with the homosexual comment... which I could address more in depth, but would also be theologically in depth and may leave a few people behind... but if you want my perspective, I'd throw it out for the dissection!

 

Sci- I love your satire... at least I hope it is.... but in response to your sig...

If anyone would like to acquire humility, I can, I think tell him the first step. The First Step is to realise that one is proud. And a Biggish step, too. At least, nothing can ever be done before it. If you think that your are not conceited, it means that you are very conceited indeed.

-C.S. Lewis -
Mere Christianity, bk. III,Chapter 8, Paragraph 14, p. 114

One of my many on my list of favorite quotes...

 

pretend for a moment that what you believed to be outside of you was really inside of you and what you believed to be inside of you was really outside of you. you'd act differently wouldn't you?

i am so f'in tired of giving the secrets of the universe to you ungrateful heathens.

j/k

 

surf, you must be koreshian? I thought they were all gone!
WDS, I'd be glad to read whatever you post on this topic of slewing biblical quotes, or about homosexuality's proscriptions.

Most of all, I'd like to see that red-ded quote parsed. It fails, I think, not for it being out of context (for it appears relatively complete by itself), no, it is the presumptions, its root statements, which are demonstrably wrong.

btw, what "sig" are you referring to? I'm full of conceit and not full of pride. The two things are different to my mindings.

if you refer to my quote: "humility is a garment, warm, plain, sufficient", well, I wrote that and i mean it. That, like all statements unsupported by cold fact, is indeed a conceit.

And that I present myself as I do, is testament to this individual's selfish, creative nature. All leads back to the desire for -personal attention-.

By shedding dignity and quitting prideful posturing, we can all see ourselves and our motivation quite clearly.

so, I stand by and will look forward to your next inputs on on whatever topic you want to address first. I may not follow entirely, but I'll try.

thanks,
reid

 

ok, what is the sound of one hand clapping?

 

Well, and this is no quack. I don't do that too much.
as GHWB used to say "wouldn't be prudent".

But nowadays, I think there are millions of freshly done Americans.

It's a Republi-can thing, you see.

I pose Q:s
You guys? Give me some A:s

'tay?

har har har

 

yes, s head I laughed! surfie's UP.

I have one conceit Ravi has not: A quick and ready wit. Nuthing to be proud of; its just the way I am.

Do you guys know The Law of Compensation?

(need a direct yes or no answer.. won't bite, promise!)

 

uh.

 

wait....i was looking for the there is no god thread? did i find my way into there may be a god thread? opps, wrong room.

 

no, you are in the right room. Let me refresh the focus:


DOG IS DEAD

did I lleps that right?


now, seriously, dog is dead. But God? If god does not exist because there never was living god, then god is -not- dead. God is only non-existant. No! wait, even if god exists, he does not live, not by our definitioin of life process. No eat, drink, fornicate.

Now, that being the case, truly, God is not living. I mean, no fornication? And if he wanted to, if he reallly wanted to get it on.. then with what?

It must be lonely to be deity. But these musings are about the Unknowables. All I know for sure is that my pet dog Barney is dead for some time now. I still miss the old guy. Dogs are more nearly godly than we people, right? They rarely abandon us. I don't know scripture but I know Charleton Heston as Moses did whine like an abandoned pup. It was in the scripting, sure, but men off leash do get losted even in their own back yards. Again, real dogs have more sense than us. They do not pray, but for the one and only tangible master or mistress. Even then, the conceit is: will lick for food. Selfhisness at root.

 

eah, your mind is truly free.....Free of truth is more like it. God gave you that free will and just keep in mind...nothing is free. Someone pays. You are certainly free to choose who will make that payment.

You can't even be intellectually honest in threads that require you to have at least some and frankly...THAT is where these topics usually break down. Trying to remain PC to an individual that posts some of most mundane tripe, flat out lies and then attacks responses when they asked the question in the first place.

Even worse...you already knew the answer to your question. You just wanted to see where everyone sits from a PC standpoint. Sorry heathen (SARCASTIC) I'm not much of a PC guy.

When you pose a question requiring information...then expect information to your question. If it regards Christianity..then expect the GOSPEL TRUTH. Guess what..that would include the gospel. You see SciFly, that way everyone in the discussion has the same reference point. You asked about God and I gave you the truth. The Gospel Truth. Did you want each individuals own version of truth? If so, then don't reference God...because it's not his truth. I gave you the scripture so that if you wanted to read the WHOLE picture and not just the verse....then we could discuss if you disagree because we are both reading the SAME thing.

I'm finished discussing anything with you Scifly unless honesty is maintained. In order to have an honest debate...it requires ....well honesty. You failed twice now and that’s enough for me.

 

I will help you with this.

Romans 1:27
27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in their own persons the due penalty for their error.

 

Isn't it selfish to just assume that god shares the same view as you do on an action that two consenting adults do in private that does not affect your life at all?

Marriage doesn't come from god either....it's a tax break. That's another topic where people throw around god. Two people living together is love. (not going to try and explain that one). Marriage is a legal situation. Married or not, what those people do in private is none of anyones business.

Why would god care anymore than I would?

And this goes for anything sinful that consenting adults do together in private - premarital sex, watching ****, swearing, smoking weed, playing video games...whatever.

Why should he.....I mean after all, he made us and if it weren't for him, humans would be like birds and do it only for the sake of procreation.