RANT: Police, lame ticket
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 16,638
From: Parsippany, NJ
Originally Posted by hagakure
Originally Posted by CarbonXe
Don't speed next time and you won't get a ticket for speeding. He should have given you two, one for speeding and one for the tints.
I agree though, tint tickets are a pain to fix.
Originally Posted by Akrylic09
Originally Posted by drjohnson36
"Just fine, how fast were you just going down that hill?"
"I didn't really notice, I was just coasting"
"I got a laser gun here that clocked you at 50" (in a 35 mph zone)
"Oh"
"I didn't really notice, I was just coasting"
"I got a laser gun here that clocked you at 50" (in a 35 mph zone)
"Oh"
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3. DO YOU KNOW HOW FAST YOU WERE GOING? (OR ONE OF ITS INDIRECT VARIANTS: WHAT'S THE HURRY? OR DO YOU KNOW THE SPEED LIMIT HERE?)
Analysis: Again, this type of question is trying to make you admit to breaking the Prima Facie (VC 23352) or Maximum (VC 22349) Speed Law by stating a specific number (which the officer will record as evidence) or otherwise admitting to speeding.
BAD ANSWERS: "75." "85." "95." "About your I.Q." "Who knows, the signs blur out when I pass 100."
BETTER ANSWER: Yes. I was going a SAFE AND REASONABLE speed for conditions in accordance with the BASIC SPEED LAW (VC 22350).
Analysis: Again, this type of question is trying to make you admit to breaking the Prima Facie (VC 23352) or Maximum (VC 22349) Speed Law by stating a specific number (which the officer will record as evidence) or otherwise admitting to speeding.
BAD ANSWERS: "75." "85." "95." "About your I.Q." "Who knows, the signs blur out when I pass 100."
BETTER ANSWER: Yes. I was going a SAFE AND REASONABLE speed for conditions in accordance with the BASIC SPEED LAW (VC 22350).
1. EXCUSE TIME--NEVER BE AFRAID TO GIVE AN HONEST & LEGITIMATE EXCUSE AS TO WHY YOU MAY HAVE BEEN DISTRACTED AND INADVERTENTLY VIOLATED THE LAW
(I have a friend who was cited for speeding while taking his pregnant (in labor) wife to the hospital. Sound absurd? What's really absurd is that he did not inform the officer of his situation, feeling that it was a "private" matter. Remember though, even an ambulance can not legally drive more than 15 mph over the posted limit. Other "legitimate" excuses for distraction: trying to control children or pets, adjusting child seat, arguing with spouse..etc. Being "in a hurry" for non-emergency reasons is never a good excuse. REMEMBER THAT ANY "EXCUSE" MIGHT BE USED AGAINST YOU IN COURT AS AN IMPLIED ADMISSION OF GUILT.)
2. QUESTIONING THE EVIDENCE: WITH A BASIC KNOWLEDGE OF THE VEHICLE CODE YOU CAN POLITELY ASK THE OFFICER QUESTIONS WHICH MAY PROVE HIS EVIDENCE ILLEGAL IN ITSELF AND UNUSABLE IN COURT.
QUESTIONS YOU CAN ASK THE POLICE:
(SPEEDING): Motorist: "Officer, how did you determine my speed?"
Officer: "I paced you."
Motorist reply: "Fine. When was your speedometer last calibrated? May I see proof of calibration?"
OR
Officer: "I used radar."(MOST TICKETS OFF FREEWAY ARE RADAR)
Motorist: "Fine. May I see your tuning fork and calibration record?"(Many radars are calibrated with a tuning fork.)
Officer: "Here they are." (Note: officer not legally required to show you the radar reading itself, but feel free to ask.)
OR
Motorist: "When was the required TRAFFIC AND ENGINEERING SURVEY last conducted on this road? Was it conducted within the last seven years? If so, what did it determine the SAFE SPEED on this road to be?
Officer: "I don't know any of that?"
Motorist: " Then can I assume this is a SPEED TRAP by definition of VC 40802 and that your "evidence" is illegal by VC40803?"
If the last question seemed a bit too complex, try this:
Motorist: "Officer, how long have you guys had this Speed Trap set up?"
Officer: "'Bout half an hour."(though any answer not categorically denying that he is conducting a Speed Trap might work.)
Motorist: Thanks for that information, officer. Are you aware that Speed Traps (VC 40802) and Speed Trap Evidence (VC 40803) are illegal?"
Officer: "You got me there. You're free to go." (Yes, this might occur.)
(other citations): Ask him about his ticket "quota" indirectly:
Motorist: "Officer, are you permitted to give me a warning or are you required to only write citations today?
Officer: "They sent me here to write tickets, not to give warnings."
Motorist: "I thought you were here to promote traffic safety; what you described sounds like a quota." (quota's are illegal: VC 41602)
(Officers can always write a warning for a 1 point infraction, so if he tells you he can't, he's indirectly admitting to some sort of directed quota.)
(I have a friend who was cited for speeding while taking his pregnant (in labor) wife to the hospital. Sound absurd? What's really absurd is that he did not inform the officer of his situation, feeling that it was a "private" matter. Remember though, even an ambulance can not legally drive more than 15 mph over the posted limit. Other "legitimate" excuses for distraction: trying to control children or pets, adjusting child seat, arguing with spouse..etc. Being "in a hurry" for non-emergency reasons is never a good excuse. REMEMBER THAT ANY "EXCUSE" MIGHT BE USED AGAINST YOU IN COURT AS AN IMPLIED ADMISSION OF GUILT.)
2. QUESTIONING THE EVIDENCE: WITH A BASIC KNOWLEDGE OF THE VEHICLE CODE YOU CAN POLITELY ASK THE OFFICER QUESTIONS WHICH MAY PROVE HIS EVIDENCE ILLEGAL IN ITSELF AND UNUSABLE IN COURT.
QUESTIONS YOU CAN ASK THE POLICE:
(SPEEDING): Motorist: "Officer, how did you determine my speed?"
Officer: "I paced you."
Motorist reply: "Fine. When was your speedometer last calibrated? May I see proof of calibration?"
OR
Officer: "I used radar."(MOST TICKETS OFF FREEWAY ARE RADAR)
Motorist: "Fine. May I see your tuning fork and calibration record?"(Many radars are calibrated with a tuning fork.)
Officer: "Here they are." (Note: officer not legally required to show you the radar reading itself, but feel free to ask.)
OR
Motorist: "When was the required TRAFFIC AND ENGINEERING SURVEY last conducted on this road? Was it conducted within the last seven years? If so, what did it determine the SAFE SPEED on this road to be?
Officer: "I don't know any of that?"
Motorist: " Then can I assume this is a SPEED TRAP by definition of VC 40802 and that your "evidence" is illegal by VC40803?"
If the last question seemed a bit too complex, try this:
Motorist: "Officer, how long have you guys had this Speed Trap set up?"
Officer: "'Bout half an hour."(though any answer not categorically denying that he is conducting a Speed Trap might work.)
Motorist: Thanks for that information, officer. Are you aware that Speed Traps (VC 40802) and Speed Trap Evidence (VC 40803) are illegal?"
Officer: "You got me there. You're free to go." (Yes, this might occur.)
(other citations): Ask him about his ticket "quota" indirectly:
Motorist: "Officer, are you permitted to give me a warning or are you required to only write citations today?
Officer: "They sent me here to write tickets, not to give warnings."
Motorist: "I thought you were here to promote traffic safety; what you described sounds like a quota." (quota's are illegal: VC 41602)
(Officers can always write a warning for a 1 point infraction, so if he tells you he can't, he's indirectly admitting to some sort of directed quota.)
Thank you Thank you Thank You
why can't you do traffic school? also, u got a ticket for breaking the law...big deal, it's not the cops fault...and as for that speed trap BS...good luck with that because i know a few people that have tried to fight it with that and since they have no proof of the officer hiding/blending...whatever u wanna call it...they lost
Ok, it sucks that you got a ticket, but if you are at all familiar with that part of 190th (which it seems like you are), you should KNOW that there are ALWAYS cops waiting at the bottom to give out tickets. And yes, there are apartments at the bottom of that hill. Guess what? People in those apartments don't like drivers flying by on 190th after they've sped down the giant hill where the dog park is.
It sucks that you got a ticket, but the police officer was just in his decision to pull you over and cite you (and let you off easy!) after you admittedly broke the law. As for the Audi, he got off lucky. I'm sure you've gotten off lucky more times than you know, so stop complaining about it.
It sucks that you got a ticket, but the police officer was just in his decision to pull you over and cite you (and let you off easy!) after you admittedly broke the law. As for the Audi, he got off lucky. I'm sure you've gotten off lucky more times than you know, so stop complaining about it.
Speeding is speeding is speeding whether you are paying attention to your speedometer or not. The officer doesn't know if you are or aren't aware of your speed, he just sees a car doing 15 over the speed limit in a semi-residential neighborhood where people tend to speed.
As far as the Torrance/South Bay cops, yeah they'll pull you over for just about anything. I've been pulled over 3 times in that area so far for "drunk driving" (i was completely sober btw) and let go. Why? Well, because it seems like it's a recurring event. Just like people speeding down that hill, it happens, frequently. So, when cops get complaints, you sure as hell can bet they'll be waiting at the bottom of that hill.
If he was going to pull you over for your tint, he would have, it happened to me over there. But, he pulled you over for speeding, and there's no getting outta that one.
As far as the Torrance/South Bay cops, yeah they'll pull you over for just about anything. I've been pulled over 3 times in that area so far for "drunk driving" (i was completely sober btw) and let go. Why? Well, because it seems like it's a recurring event. Just like people speeding down that hill, it happens, frequently. So, when cops get complaints, you sure as hell can bet they'll be waiting at the bottom of that hill.
If he was going to pull you over for your tint, he would have, it happened to me over there. But, he pulled you over for speeding, and there's no getting outta that one.
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