|
P&L 403whp/307wtq...Stock motor + Auto
On a dang Auto transmission.
Originally Posted by P&L Motorsports
(Post 386521)
Introducing the P&L Motorsports BRZ/FRS Stg. 1 Turbo kit. Utilizing 10 years of Turbo Vehicle Tuning experience, multiple world records and class victories the P&L BRZ/FRZ turbo kit is the new Benchmark for BRZ/FRS performance.
Whether your a DragRacer, RoadRacer, or you just love tearing up the back country roads this kit is designed for you. Featuring the latest billet wheel turbocharger technology, unparalleled hand fabrication and ease of install, the P&L Turbo kit is the most complete turbo kit on the market. No cutting, no trimming or modifying, completely reversible back to stock kit! The P&L Motorsports BRZ/FRS Stg. 1 Turbo kit. Features: -P&L Spec Billet Wheel Precision Turbo -P&L Equal Length Exhaust manifold 304 ss Sch. 10 construction -V-band Inlet/Outlet (no need for gaskets) -TiaL 38mm MVS Wastegate -TiaL Q Blow off valve -P&L 3" Stainless Steel Downpipe (with adapter flange for stock overpipe) -Atmospheric wastegate dump tube (plumb back option available) -Fully "ceramic coated" exhaust components (silver or black) -P&L 550whp Bar and Plate unit -P&L Polished IC piping (custom colors avail) -Blow thru MAF -Choice of 500cc/700cc/900cc injectors -3 BAR Map Sensor (for proper logging) -Cold air intake -DEI Titanium turbo blanket -T-bolt clamps -4-ply couplers -Complete 25 page "do it yourself" installation manual 8hr install time -3-year no questions asked warranty on all P&L fabricated components Fitment: -All USDM/JDM 2013+ BRZ/FRS/FT86 Vehicles MSRP: Click here> http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15559 Options Include: Wastegate Plumb back option Custom color IC piping Black or Silver ceramic coating w/o injectors ECUTek Cable/ license/ basemap for startup Kit contents: http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/y...okitlayout.jpg **Injectors/map sensor/coating not pictured** but are included in the kit http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/y...g?t=1345239072 http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/y...g?t=1345239084 http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/y...g?t=1345239108 http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/y...g?t=1345239119 Dyno Results: P&L Turbo kit E-85 15psi http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/y...-e85-15psi.jpg P&L Turbo kit 93 oct 8psi http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/y...-final8psi.jpg Stock Auto BRZ vs P&L turbo kit E-85 15psi Auto BRZ http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/y...psivsstock.jpg Stock Auto BRZ vs P&L Turbokit 93 oct 8psi Auto BRZ http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/y...tockvs8psi.jpg Dyno Video: P&L MOTORSPORTS BRZ/FRS STG.1 TURBO KIT. - YouTube Thanks for looking! |
REDACTED
|
Someone had commented on the compression being close to 12:1, not sure if accurate or not but that can't last long. I dunno, not sure how the FA20 compares to other Subaru motors. The Dynosty kit looks more appealing to me. It makes ~325hp, already so much for that car.
|
I wonder how it would hold up on a road course with that kind of power.
|
Originally Posted by lynks
(Post 4050374)
I wonder how it would hold up on a road course with that kind of power.
Nice kit though. |
This kit looks beast though but since no one really knows the limit of this block yet I would be concerned about how long it would last.
|
Originally Posted by trdscion
(Post 4050371)
Someone had commented on the compression being close to 12:1, not sure if accurate or not but that can't last long. I dunno, not sure how the FA20 compares to other Subaru motors. The Dynosty kit looks more appealing to me. It makes ~325hp, already so much for that car.
This isn't the highest whp dynoed. That would be 439whp by Accelerated Performance on E85. |
Originally Posted by trdscion
(Post 4050384)
This kit looks beast though but since no one really knows the limit of this block yet I would be concerned about how long it would last.
|
Not scared, concerned. I think that's everyone's first question with that much power on a stock motor. It could handle it but who knows.
Pushing it is one thing, blowing it is another. I'll let someone else blow their motor because it's cool to push it too far, get a boost spike or something like that and kill the motor. I think finding the limit is mostly the responsibility of the manufacturer. I mean almost 2x the hp seems more than enough, if you're going to spend that much $ for the turbo why not protect the investment some with building the motor. That's just what I was thinking. |
Originally Posted by trdscion
(Post 4050562)
Not scared, concerned. I think that's everyone's first question with that much power on a stock motor. It could handle it but who knows.
Pushing it is one thing, blowing it is another. I'll let someone else blow their motor because it's cool to push it too far, get a boost spike or something like that and kill the motor. I think finding the limit is mostly the responsibility of the manufacturer. I mean almost 2x the hp seems more than enough, if you're going to spend that much $ for the turbo why not protect the investment some with building the motor. That's just what I was thinking. Yet, in order to find the limit, the limit has to be reached. No need to be concerned unless it's your vehicle and you don't have the funds for another motor :icon_mrgreen: But having a shop push it and then beat on it for you to give you a sense of longevity is ideal since that's their job. The manufacture is not in the business of providing the aftermarket with stress numbers. There isn't a manufacture on the planet that does what you just asked. 90% of NA cars that get boosted, are on stock motors I would bank on it. It is absolutely not necessary to build a motor just because you want to turbo it. You just don't go past the recommended power levels....which are found out through experience. Experience is the only way anything is accomplished. |
I wasn't saying it's necessary to build a motor just because it is turbo'd. I don't have turbo experience, my thoughts/questions only come from what I've read and seen from others experiences etc.
I'd rather do something mild and see others improve numbers then go from there. And that's why I was concerned: "No need to be concerned unless it's your vehicle and you don't have the funds for another motor," that's the last thing I would want to do to a new car. It might not be the manufacturers "job" to do it but it's in their best interest/integrity almost to give you an idea. Not "well here's a turbo for your car and now you're pushing 450 from 200, have fun." I've seen those that give recommendations etc like good up to 400 on stock motor or something like that. I see what you're saying, and you have some turbo experience. I suppose I'm just talking from a lack of experience but I wouldn't really be down for a kit that goes that high/awesome without at least some idea of capabilities. But I guess that also comes down to a good install as well. |
Originally Posted by trdscion
(Post 4050574)
I wasn't saying it's necessary to build a motor just because it is turbo'd. I don't have turbo experience, my thoughts/questions only come from what I've read and seen from others experiences etc.
Originally Posted by trdscion
(Post 4050574)
I'd rather do something mild and see others improve numbers then go from there. And that's why I was concerned: "No need to be concerned unless it's your vehicle and you don't have the funds for another motor," that's the last thing I would want to do to a new car.
That's what shop cars are for. They do the work for us, at their cost. Trickle down that R&D into the community to provide guidance and product awareness.
Originally Posted by trdscion
(Post 4050574)
It might not be the manufacturers "job" to do it but it's in their best interest/integrity almost to give you an idea. Not "well here's a turbo for your car and now you're pushing 450 from 200, have fun." I've seen those that give recommendations etc like good up to 400 on stock motor or something like that.
When you say manufacture, are you referring to the car, or the turbo setups? I took it as you were referring to the car manufacture (Toyota, Honda, Nissan) and not the turbo manufacture. Because what you described is exactly what the turbo manufacture is doing. They are just now starting. They are relaying the data they are gathering and we are watching these things develop. They are still in R&D phase. Once they find the limits, then they will start making recommendations.
Originally Posted by trdscion
(Post 4050574)
I see what you're saying, and you have some turbo experience. I suppose I'm just talking from a lack of experience but I wouldn't really be down for a kit that goes that high/awesome without at least some idea of capabilities. But I guess that also comes down to a good install as well.
Keep in mind now. Power is from the amount of boost you run on the setup. Turbo setups are not "put on and bam 400whp". It's the amount of boost you comfortably want to run on it. We could both have the same exact car on stock motors, with the same exact kit, but you feel that 8psi is all you need and run 300whp and I feel 15psi is more for me and make 400+whp. The amount of power has nothing to do with the kit, besides the maximum power the turbo is rated for. Just because a turbo is rated at 700hp, doesn't mean you have to run 700hp on your car. Just that "should" the time ever come and you want to push up to 700hp...you won't need to change turbos. Vice versa...having a turbo rated for 350hp. If I want to eventually run 500hp, well...I'm going to be spending money on a new turbo since this one only goes to 350hp. |
Guess I should have included that I was referring to the turbo manufacturer, not the auto maker.
Definitely, I know that a 400hp kit doesn't have to be run at its highest boost/output. It's all preference. I think I was more getting at there is R&D involved especially for such a brand new platform like the FR-S/86/BRZ and they should give a baseline or starting point with some suggestions. Misunderstanding on both our parts.
Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
(Post 4050581)
Keep in mind now. Power is from the amount of boost you run on the setup. Turbo setups are not "put on and bam 400whp". It's the amount of boost you comfortably want to run on it. We could both have the same exact car on stock motors, with the same exact kit, but you feel that 8psi is all you need and run 300whp and I feel 15psi is more for me and make 400+whp. The amount of power has nothing to do with the kit, besides the maximum power the turbo is rated for. Just because a turbo is rated at 700hp, doesn't mean you have to run 700hp on your car. Just that "should" the time ever come and you want to push up to 700hp...you won't need to change turbos. Vice versa...having a turbo rated for 350hp. If I want to eventually run 500hp, well...I'm going to be spending money on a new turbo since this one only goes to 350hp.
|
Cool, glad we are on the same page now :)
I think it will be great to see these a few months down the road, still pushing 400+whp. I can't wait for PTuning to finish up their setup as well, cause I know their quality. And what they did with the tC, makes these other kits (no offense), look basic. |
Yup.
Yeah I mean the FR-S pushing 325hp+ is awesome. PTuning makes solid kits, lost of options. I can't wait to get my FR-S. |
nice - I want one :biggrin:
|
"P&L 403whp/307wtq...Stock motor + Auto"
Sounds pretty simple when stated like that but it's really not that simple, cheap or easy. In order to actually make this work for a semi-reliable DD you better budget ~$15k and hope you can get e85 everywhere you ever go. Base Turbo Kit - $5500 Gauges - $500 e85 fuel system upgrades - $1000 Tune - $1200+ IPT/Level 10 trans build - $5000 |
Originally Posted by ScionFred
(Post 4050772)
"P&L 403whp/307wtq...Stock motor + Auto"
Sounds pretty simple when stated like that but it's really not that simple, cheap or easy. In order to actually make this work for a semi-reliable DD you better budget ~$15k and hope you can get e85 everywhere you ever go. Base Turbo Kit - $5500 Gauges - $500 e85 fuel system upgrades - $1000 Tune - $1200+ IPT/Level 10 trans build - $5000 Most turbo setups are $5k (no brainer) Gauges (varying types can be under $300 and as high as $1000+) e85 upgrades (this car and all the others are running a fuel pump as a fuel upgrade, about $200. Injectors are included in the price of the turbo setup) Tune (You are getting ROBBED if you think a tune cost $1200. PTuning charges $500 at max) IPT/Level 10 trans build (adding cost into something when you don't even know how the auto trans holds up. It's not a tC Auto trans you know. It derives from the IS which from my recollection handles a good amount of power). PS....No one says you have to run e85 you know. Pump gas #'s are still 300+whp which is still pretty quick in this car. |
Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
(Post 4050819)
Most turbo setups are $5k (no brainer)
Gauges (varying types can be under $300 and as high as $1000+) e85 upgrades (this car and all the others are running a fuel pump as a fuel upgrade, about $200. Injectors are included in the price of the turbo setup) Tune (You are getting ROBBED if you think a tune cost $1200. PTuning charges $500 at max) IPT/Level 10 trans build (adding cost into something when you don't even know how the auto trans holds up. It's not a tC Auto trans you know. It derives from the IS which from my recollection handles a good amount of power). PS....No one says you have to run e85 you know. Pump gas #'s are still 300+whp which is still pretty quick in this car. Considering that my $1200 tune estimate includes the $800 engine management option, I'm surprised you took issue with it. It's also what Visconti is charging for a ECUtek tune. P-Tuning charges $500 for a one-time piggyhack tune which is not the same thing at all. As for the auto trans, you must be thinking of the A760E used in the IS350 and not the 40lb lighter A960E from the IS250. I'm pretty certain that the 86 uses a slightly modified A960E which normally handles no more than 204bhp and 186btq in the IS250. A 300whp pump gas "86" makes a lot more sense. |
Originally Posted by ScionFred
(Post 4050976)
Can you tell me more about this simple fuel pump upgrade? Is there at least a DIY for cutting apart the oem fuel tank assembly and making the larger pump work with the in-tank oem FPR? I quoted $1000 for conversion from low-volume returnless to a high-volume retun type fuel system.
Considering that my $1200 tune estimate includes the $800 engine management option, I'm surprised you took issue with it. It's also what Visconti is charging for a ECUtek tune. P-Tuning charges $500 for a one-time piggyhack tune which is not the same thing at all. As for the auto trans, you must be thinking of the A760E used in the IS350 and not the 40lb lighter A960E from the IS250. I'm pretty certain that the 86 uses a slightly modified A960E which normally handles no more than 204bhp and 186btq in the IS250. A 300whp pump gas "86" makes a lot more sense. Really? Installing a fuel pump does not constitute $1000 dollars. Even having a shop install the pump for you will not see the price you quoted. There is a DIY for installing a fuel pump in a tC, why do you come off as if there won't be one for this car? Secondly your $800 squeeze in for the management is already included in the price of the kit. Again, Not $1200 for a tune. I will have to track down the trans code, but pretty sure it's stout. Obviously if it was that weak, it wouldn't have even lasted 400whp on a dyno pull or be able to do this either: I very much understand that you are a pessimistic type person, at least when you post. To you, it's either already failed, or is going to fail. |
I would think to tune a full ems would take a lot longer to tune than a piggyback. Most shops tune by the hour.
|
Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
(Post 4051064)
Really? Installing a fuel pump does not constitute $1000 dollars. Even having a shop install the pump for you will not see the price you quoted. There is a DIY for installing a fuel pump in a tC, why do you come off as if there won't be one for this car?
Secondly your $800 squeeze in for the management is already included in the price of the kit. Again, Not $1200 for a tune. I will have to track down the trans code, but pretty sure it's stout. Obviously if it was that weak, it wouldn't have even lasted 400whp on a dyno pull or be able to do this either: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmkvIGvZRVI I very much understand that you are a pessimistic type person, at least when you post. To you, it's either already failed, or is going to fail. Check the P&L turbo kit prices again. There is no mention of any engine management included in the $5500 price. ECUtek engine management is a $800 option and only includes a "base map for startup". For a smart guy you sure seem very gullible when it comes to all things "86". Just because the IS250 trans has held up to 400whp for a few hundred miles in no way guarantees that it will hold up for 100k miles or even 10k. As you search for trans codes, be wary of all the early speculation that the 86 would get the A760E from the IS350. In the end, Toybaru made the smart choice and used the much lighter, yet still adequate for 150btq A960E from the IS250. I'm not surprised that you view me as pessimistic since I see you as blindly optimistic when it comes to the "86". It's a shame too since we both like the car. I'm just trying to be realistic about it. |
Originally Posted by ScionFred
(Post 4051106)
Have you ever seen the 86 fuel pump/FPR/float assembly? Have you bothered to read the Deatschwerks 86 fuel system overview thread yet? Replacing the tiny oem fuel pump with a physically larger, high volume pump is not nearly as easy or simple as you seem to think.
Originally Posted by ScionFred
(Post 4051106)
Also, just replacing the pump doesn't guarantee adequate e85 fuel delivery as you will see as the $1000 return fuel system kits start hitting the market, just like they did with the TC. Did you know that you're talking about flowing more than twice the stock fuel volume? How can you be so sure that it's as simple as swapping fuel pumps?
Originally Posted by ScionFred
(Post 4051106)
Check the P&L turbo kit prices again. There is no mention of any engine management included in the $5500 price. ECUtek engine management is a $800 option and only includes a "base map for startup".
What kits do you know of cost $5k+ and don't come with engine management these days? Use a little common sense and go ask them if it comes with management for that price. If it don't, guess what....buy the companies kit that does come with it. You make things difficult just for the sake of making things difficult.
Originally Posted by ScionFred
(Post 4051106)
For a smart guy you sure seem very gullible when it comes to all things "86". Just because the IS250 trans has held up to 400whp for a few hundred miles in no way guarantees that it will hold up for 100k miles or even 10k. As you search for trans codes, be wary of all the early speculation that the 86 would get the A760E from the IS350. In the end, Toybaru made the smart choice and used the much lighter, yet still adequate for 150btq A960E from the IS250.
So facts equate to being "gullible"? What are you a Republican...lol.
Originally Posted by ScionFred
(Post 4051106)
I'm not surprised that you view me as pessimistic since I see you as blindly optimistic when it comes to the "86". It's a shame too since we both like the car. I'm just trying to be realistic about it.
|
At the end of the day, they are making 400+whp on a stock motor and stock Auto trans, on E85 and all they changed fuel wise was add a bigger fuel pump and injectors. End of the story, no But this, And that's...
You don't know what the longevity of the trans or the motor is going to be. I would rather see it last a while, then to snub nose and think it's going to fail tomorrow. |
Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
(Post 4051169)
And, neither is doing a motor removal and install, but I've done that before too. You make it sound like it's impossible for a guy to learn to do...:rofl: Like you have to have an engineering degree to work on cars. Are you afraid of getting dirty? Again, take it to a shop then if you feel that you aren't that mechanically inclined, but you still not paying $1k for a fuel pump install. Cars are coming E85 compatible from the factory these days in case you haven't noticed.
Because that's all they did to get these Numbers. Pay attention |
how reliable will it be as a DD ?
|
^We'll all be finding that out over time, check back monthly updates I guess.
|
Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
(Post 4051169)
And, neither is doing a motor removal and install, but I've done that before too. You make it sound like it's impossible for a guy to learn to do...:rofl: Like you have to have an engineering degree to work on cars. Are you afraid of getting dirty? Again, take it to a shop then if you feel that you aren't that mechanically inclined, but you still not paying $1k for a fuel pump install. Cars are coming E85 compatible from the factory these days in case you haven't noticed.
Because that's all they did to get these Numbers. Pay attention. They include engine management as an option because you don't have to buy ECUtek as a management. The more kits comes out, the better for us. It drives the cost down. Prices are up because competition is low, simple economics. Soon as more kits (options) appear, prices will fall to drive customers to their setups. What kits do you know of cost $5k+ and don't come with engine management these days? Use a little common sense and go ask them if it comes with management for that price. If it don't, guess what....buy the companies kit that does come with it. You make things difficult just for the sake of making things difficult. So facts equate to being "gullible"? What are you a Republican...lol. Optimistic yes, not blindly though and definitely not Eyes-Wide Shut pessimistic as you seem to be. By that I mean, someone feeds you information, and you seek out how it can fail, despite having data to back up why it shouldn't fail (I.E. trans holding up to abuse in the car it derives from). If it has a history of not holding any power, then I would doubt that it would do any different on this platform. But if that's not the case, and I have no evidence to suggest otherwise, I'm going to look at it with the current existing data in that it should work out just fine. All anyone has to do is buy a $25,000 FRS/BRZ, a $5000 turbo kit, slap in a $200 fuel pump, get a 400+ whp e85 tune from P-Tuning for $500 and then run down Z06 Corvettes at the track all day with oem Toybaru reliability. I get it now, you can STFU. I sincerely hope that you're the first mouth-foaming "86" fanboy to try this, I really, really do. :) |
Originally Posted by tnt
(Post 4051268)
how reliable will it be as a DD ?
|
There really is a difference betwenn dyno queens and track cars when making big power. You can always find its breaking point when trying to reach its power limits on the dyno. But when consistently putting that kind if stress on the motor for a long period of time will not hold up. Give this car another year or 2 and report back to this thread.
|
Originally Posted by ScionFred
(Post 4051385)
ROFLMAO! Okay RS, I give up... you win.
All anyone has to do is buy a $25,000 FRS/BRZ, a $5000 turbo kit, slap in a $200 fuel pump, get a 400+ whp e85 tune from P-Tuning for $500 and then run down Z06 Corvettes at the track all day with oem Toybaru reliability. I get it now, you can STFU. I sincerely hope that you're the first mouth-foaming "86" fanboy to try this, I really, really do. :) |
Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
(Post 4051692)
Resulting to insulting people is a sign that you have nothing of intelligence to say. Weak Sauce.
"Are you afraid of getting dirty?" "...take it to a shop then if you feel that you aren't that mechanically inclined" "Pay attention" "Use a little common sense" "You make things difficult just for the sake of making things difficult" "What are you a Republican...lol" "not Eyes-Wide Shut pessimistic as you seem to be. By that I mean, someone feeds you information, and you seek out how it can fail" Funny... I thought insult was your primary debate tactic. Think whatever you want dude, I don't like you and don't care if you lose a lot of money being stoopit. I'm only concerned about the poor dumb kid who reads your drooling fanboi nonsense and actually believes that he can make his auto FRS into a reliable 440whp Corvette killing DD in a weekend for under $6000. It's quite simply not that simple. never is, never has been and never will be. |
Originally Posted by ScionFred
(Post 4051758)
"Are you afraid of getting dirty?"
"...take it to a shop then if you feel that you aren't that mechanically inclined" "Pay attention" "Use a little common sense" "You make things difficult just for the sake of making things difficult" "What are you a Republican...lol" "not Eyes-Wide Shut pessimistic as you seem to be. By that I mean, someone feeds you information, and you seek out how it can fail" Funny... I thought insult was your primary debate tactic. Think whatever you want dude, I don't like you and don't care if you lose a lot of money being stoopit. I'm only concerned about the poor dumb kid who reads your drooling fanboi nonsense and actually believes that he can make his auto FRS into a reliable 440whp Corvette killing DD in a weekend for under $6000. It's quite simply not that simple. never is, never has been and never will be. Calling you an idiot would be an insult. That's what's dumb with your post. Where on ANY post did I say..."hey, you can go daily drive this at 400whp all day and race and do whatever you want and it will be reliable". NO WHERE! Know why I didn't say that......BECAUSE IT'S NOT PROVEN YET! I don't post like you (making conclusive statements like you designed the car and know what it will and won't handle). I posted what they have done, what they used to get there and what the results were. You drive a turbo van why am I even wasting finger strokes. I'm done with you. |
Originally Posted by rhythmnsmoke
(Post 4051779)
Where on ANY post did I say..."hey, you can go daily drive this at 400whp all day and race and do whatever you want and it will be reliable". NO WHERE! Know why I didn't say that......BECAUSE IT'S NOT PROVEN YET!
Obviously you and I will never agree on anything when it comes to the FRS/BRZ. I think it's a nice alternative to the already superb MX5 but it seems to have acheived diety status to you. I'm happy for you and the rest of the 86 cult but no one car can ever be all things to all people. I may still buy one but honestly, I'd like a useable rear seat and stronger engine. |
https://www.scionlife.com/forums/sho...9&postcount=29
Sarcasm using text just does not work that well, def with just adding a little smiley face at the end. Some may pick up on that which frequent forums or text, but likely more won't. So you say you want a car with more "useable" rear seating and a stronger engine? Then what keeps you coming back checking on the 86/BRZ when most would just move on to a car more suiting to their wants? That rear seat room isn't going to increase, and the engine, well that remains to be seen in future model years. No one knows how much abuse the engine and transmission can handle on these cars, it's too soon, give about a year or two if you want to(or can) wait. Seems you have your mind made up this isn't on your list of potential cars based on those characteristics. No car will have all that you want out of the box, you know this(would like to think you do at least), some sacrifices will have to be made and if it's something that can be taken care of aftermarket then maybe it can be made up for and you might get that car you wanted after all. There are forced induction options to get the power up to what you'd like, done. Now the rear seating issue would be the only thing stopping the purchase. If it really means much to have that, then on to the next, maybe something in the used car market would be better? E46 M3 can be had for around $17,000, has power, rear seat room, seems something that fits what you're looking for(been searching a bit myself too lol). |
^^ If the reader is dumb enough to miss such obvious sarcasm, he's obviously dumb enough to believe that it's as simple to build a reliable 400+whp 86 as RS tries to make it appear. I saw this thread, saw members asking questions about reliability and decided to offer my opinion.
I agree that it might take a year or so to see if the 86 can handle FI and up to 300whp without breaking too much, too often. 400+whp on stock internals and trans isn't even a reasonable question. It's cool to see it done and it shows the potential of the current engine if built and mated to a capable clutch/trans. Maybe I am a pessimist but experience has taught me not to expect a auto trans not trusted by the OEM to handle more than 186 crank tq to handle 300+ wtq for very long. Likewise I suspect that Subaru had very good reasons for changing the pistons and rods when they boosted the FA20 to under 300bhp. If the stock FA20 can handle 400+whp, why spend money on stronger pistons and rods just for <300 bhp? If the A960E can handle 400+whp and 300+ wtq, why did Lexus choose to swap to a 40lb heavier trans to handle the 300bhp and 277btq of the IS350? Common sense may not be common anymore but it still serves well when you can find it. As for me, I don't need a useable back seat very often but it's nice to have when you need one. I'm still car shopping buy haven't ruled out the FRS/BRZ yet. It may be slower than a V6 family sedan but it does offer a nice balance of price/performance/mpg with sweet handling. Most of the other cars I'm considering destroy the 86 in performance but cost a lot more and use a lot more gas. I don't know... still looking. Good luck to you as well. There are a lot of great cars to choose from today. |
Neat another fr-s thread getting out of hand gotta love it...
|
1 Attachment(s)
|
If the trans was going to pop anytime soon, it would have done it by now. Needless to say, the people who don't plan on pushing this much power, have nothing to worry about if all they want to do is 300whp or something lower than 400.
|
From P&L
New numbers with 17psi of boost. 428 WHP/ 331WTQ Still stock motor and still stock "AUTO" trans. Over the weekend Raced a Z06 in 3rd/4th gear and he couldn't keep up. LOL |
| All times are GMT. The time now is 01:11 PM. |
© 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands