Scion tC Sunroof Deflector Service Campaign

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Oct 19, 2005 | 11:32 PM

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I heard about this today while driving..they were talking about it on NPR...if I "get the memo" I'll post anything regarding VIN#'s if we haven't heard anything yet...mine was in the first batch shipped so my VIN# is in the low 1,000's.

Oct 20, 2005 | 01:24 AM

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Sweet! About time they finally have taken action for an obvious design flaw. Much Props to Scion for taken responsibility and keeping the drivers safe!

After waiting until it became apparent they couldn't get away with ignoring it...

No, but with the three original complaints (at the beginning of the investigation) , they had to be sure that they were legit... why?? because whining kids try to sue them for wheels breaking because of sliding into curbs at 60 mph,

And so, exactly what reckless owner mod would cause the deflector glass to shatter onto the driver and passengers? Toyota was stupid to use tempered glass on _any_ forward-facing glass surface that is likely to catch a thrown rock. It's not even a good idea to use tempered glass on fixed sunroofs. There's a very good reason why windshields have to be laminated, not tempered!

Also, the number of complaints is well more than 3. It might have been 3 months ago, but then again they could say that the number was zero using the same logic.

The real reason behind Toyota's action was simply to avoid an involuntary recall, which is definitely a black mark.

Where did I say that an owner mod caused the sunroof issue????????? Nowhere. I used the example of people blaming thier own negligence and mods on toyota, which is one reason the companies are so skeptical about any warranty report.

Second, I was the one who brought up there being more than 3 complaints to start with, but when the original issue hit NHTSA there were 3 complaints, and were for a good part of the investigation. I have followed the doco trail on the NHTSA investigation since about 2 weeks after it opened, so I know the numbers involved. So the point I made was that during the first stages, there were three complaints, and the company most likely wanted to make sure that they were legit. Or at least that probably contributed to the long delay.

Did I EVER say toyota could not have responded better? Did I EVER say that using tempered glass was a good idea? No to both of the above, so I am confused as to what in my post you are arguing with. I simply stated that the large number of FRAUD complaints and whiney kids reporting thier own abuse as warranty issues has helped to cause the manufacturers to disbelieve everything that comes in the door.

If you indulge in an off-topic tirade about whiney kids and fraudulent claims caused by modifications, don't be surprised if someone points out that most product defects (including the one being discussed here) have nothing to do with modifications. The hesitance of dealers and manufacturers to acknowlege design problems has much more to do with their bottom line than with the possiblity of fraudulent claims.

Oct 20, 2005 | 01:26 AM

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scionlife saves us again

Oct 20, 2005 | 02:42 AM

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I would also guess the laminate is underneath because if it shatters and the laminate is underneath, there is less chance of any glass chips from going into the car. I bet this is similar to the stuff rock blocker sells. If you wanted to and you didn't want to wait, you could probably get anyone who does clear bra installations to do your sunroof and wind deflector now. I know they have another product they use for headlights that is optically correct, but I doubt you'd really need it for the sunroof.

Oct 20, 2005 | 03:49 AM

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If its only certain 2006 models, that means that someone with a very recently built 2006 will have the laminate already on it straight from the factory, right?

So, anyone out there with a VERY new tC? Let us know, how does it look? Provide pics if possible!

Well I just picked up my TC on Saturday (Oct 15), but I ordered it about 3 weeks earlier, so I'm not even sure if I got the "later" '06 model. The dealer never mentioned anything to me about this problem with the moonroof, so I doubt I got the new TC with the laminated moonroof... I guess I'll call tomorrow and find out.

Oct 20, 2005 | 07:15 AM

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I don't know who they were kidding - I'm sure that when this fix gets rolling they're going to start selling them with it applied, but I have a feeling the recall involves everything out there. I think you'd probably have heard something about it if your car already had this fix applied.

Oct 20, 2005 | 09:53 AM

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i hear something like that to but what if i had some art work up there are they going to pay to replace that to

Oct 20, 2005 | 12:08 PM

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Probably not - they aren't responsible if you modified something and now it's getting in the way. Maybe they'll say sorry, but I doubt they're replacing it.

Oct 20, 2005 | 02:10 PM

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would this have anything to do with the sunroof rattling though?

Oct 20, 2005 | 02:16 PM

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With that the cars that are being recalled are ones bought between March 04 - July 05... which means any 06 model vehicle purchased after july already has this laminate on the car and you cant even see it. Now i purchased mine in August and never noticed anything so there is nothing to it. Hopefully this helps all of you...

Purchased or produced?? I also bought my 06 in August so we will have to see because the manufacturers date is June 06.

Oct 20, 2005 | 02:18 PM

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it will most likely affect ALL TC's up to the ones coming off the production line right now.

Oct 20, 2005 | 05:18 PM

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sweet, got my '06 beginning of july 05. hopefully the letter will coincide w/ the free oil change at 5k miles

Oct 20, 2005 | 05:32 PM

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I am not sure that three documented cases constitutes an "obvious design flaw"...

Toyota don't recall anything unless they absolutely have to. I think it was about a dozen cases were reported to the NHTSA, Toyota initially brushed it off as just debris hitting it which is common but they had about 40 sunroofs replaced under warratee due to this problem and the NHTSA upgraded the investigation to an engineering analysis (which usually means they will be forced to recall.) We've seen quite a few reports of shattering sunroofs and deflectors here, at least one of which happened while the car was stationary with the driver in it.

Oct 20, 2005 | 06:15 PM

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so from what i've heard the fix is applied to the bottom side of the deflector? so that does nothing to protect the surface from rocks all it will do is prevent the glass from showering in on us??

Oct 20, 2005 | 09:31 PM

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And so, exactly what reckless owner mod would cause the deflector glass to shatter onto the driver and passengers?

The one where you use the deflector for target practice. (Sounds mighty stupid, but after reading other stuff on this site nothing surprises me anymore.)

"That's my dad's shootin' car, only 2 more payments and its ours!" -Nelson Muntz.

Oct 20, 2005 | 09:38 PM

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so from what i've heard the fix is applied to the bottom side of the deflector? so that does nothing to protect the surface from rocks all it will do is prevent the glass from showering in on us??

Its all speculation at this point, but I don't see how a laminate on the outside would be much better. Tempered glass will crack and break whether a thin piece of laminate (which would itself be pierced by an impact) is on the inside or outside.

Cosmetically, I guess I'd rather have it on the inside. Functionally, I doubt it makes a difference.

Oct 20, 2005 | 09:53 PM

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Umm, how exactly was that off topic?? People were complaining about how Scion took so long to respond, which is EXACTLY what I was referring to. There seems to be some type of comprehension issue in here.

Oct 20, 2005 | 10:16 PM

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it would make sense for the laminate to be on the outside. thats why they make rock blocker for the paint and film for the headlights, rocks bounce off of it, less chance of chipping.

now, if you drove behind a gravel truck, yeah, that'll do it...but why would you put your tc under that burden?

Oct 20, 2005 | 10:19 PM

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Remeber that protecting paint over metal (a hard surface with a brittle coating) from rock chips is different from protecting tempered glass (a hard brittle surface) from exploding. I think having it on the outside might insulate the glass from the blow a very little bit, but I still see this move from Toyota as a way to protect from falling glass, not a way to keep the glass from breaking.

Oct 21, 2005 | 02:05 AM

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I wonder if those people in MB C230 have the same issue but just not reporting it because they luv their Mercedes? You can clearly see the winddeflector is similar to the tC. Is it made of tempered glass?

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