Hey all, just wondering if the topic question is possible. If so, what would it take? I'm guessing more than just I/H/E.

Thanks for any replies.

 

200 whp or bhp? And I can be pretty sure you wont get there non-F/I unless you use NO2

 

PAging TCPete. TCPete to the thread please.

 

anything possible..

an I/H/E setup will definitely NOT cut it. you're gonna have to 'tweak' up your engine a bit ;P

an engine rebuild is a must if you wanna attempt to get 200hp n/a.. and then tune it with a piggy back. dont really wanna get into detail, but if i have to then i will.

all of this will be equivalent in cost in getting a turbo kit from the get-go. but that all depends on your likings since some is a fan of all motor, and most is a fan of the boost.

 

you will need:

-a good combo of i/h/e ...
-good sized piping for exhuast
-high compression pistons, new stronger rods,
-port and polish head + upgrade your valve train...
-a good EMS...

with all that u should hit 200 or pass it...but thats just a basic list.

 

Nah - unless you put higher compression pistons in and could get a good NA cam (that nobody currently has made) then you couldnt do it. But ... that plus your i/h/e ....and whatever else you could throw at it .... it just doesnt make $.01 to spend thousands of dollars on a small amount of power. If you decided you want FI down the road (and you would because your 200hp car wont cut it for long) you would need to take your pistons out and swap them for lower compression ones and you might even have to replace your cam so you dont loose hp w/ your NA one.

 

huh cams are pointless for our car.. we dont run on lift.. we run on timing...if we were vvtL-i yes... but we are only vvt-i

 

there he is TCpete everybody
dude you are famous around here...

 

lol ^^ i hope not for anything bad lololol

 

I would say

EMS
HIGH COMP PISTONS
P&PHEAD
I/H/E
PULLY'S


Get yourself a good suspension setup, short shifter, DR's, and you should hit low 14's for sure.

 

It is very possible to reach 200hp non-aspirated, but definately not with just an intake, header, and exhaust. It would require some engine building. You would first have to take the engine out, which is a bitc*, but fun... Then take off the whole valve assembly, which is easy, also cool because you get to see how your engine works. After that, your pistons would be exposed and at that point, you have a little money spending to do. If you buy high compression racing pistons, new race rod bearings, new race main bearings, new camshafts, and anything else you desire, you could hit the 400 + bhp range, maybe even more if you invest in a standalone ecu, in which you can tune your a/f ratio and such. BUT by that point, you are reaching the cost of 4000, where you might as well buy a turbo. And with that much hp you need a new clutch and flywheel to hold that power, and probably a good set of tires so you can actually grip the road, and probably 2 engine dampers so your engine does not twist itself off its stock engine mounts from all the torque. However, there is a way you can just get 200, but definately not from i/h/e. With bolt ons, the best you will get is up to 160hp, because even though scion says stock it has 161 hp, that is the bhp, and with the stock intake, exhaust, and clutch setup you lose about 20 of that by the time it gets to the wheels. Therefore, all you would get from i/h/e is the hp you lost. hope that helps my friend.

 

you can either...spend a butt load of money to get 200 whp without forced induction, void your warranty and such...or just get the trd supercharger for way less and have a warranty.

now i'm sure your going to post "but i want to be different, i don't want what everybody else has, blah blah blah."

 

Just to let you know... That supercharger is still a **** load of money... its 3200 dollars... you can still buy a turbo kit, maybe with only 7psi, for around the same price... the supercharger is a rip off... do not buy it.

 

^ not for the 05-06

http://www.trdsparks.com/displaypart...3&parts_id=634

 

for 05-06, it is only 1850 from trdsparks. if you have an 07-08, then it is 2950.

anyway, just compare, he wants 200 whp, he can do all that expensive stuff to his engine to make it there, void his warranty, and have loads of potential problems and headaches, or he can just get a supercharger, have his 200 whp (approximately) and maintain his warranty.

or yeah, you can go turbo, more expensive than the supercharger, cheaper than a full n/a build, but alot more hp than both. but also no warranty.

 

Are there any NA 200whp Tc's? It would be interesting to see some dynos (including temp, and corrections... And what type of dyno they are using.) How are people going to know what it takes if it hasn't been done before? If it has been done, please linkify!

 

Yes, I know of two here in L.A., both have head work, larger valves, and use stock pistons and rods. It is possible to achieve over 200whp without higher compression with good tuning.

 

where can i get high compression pistons, new stronger rods, port and polished head + and upgrade your valve train at???

 

tell them to post on SL so we all can see

 

bro your looking at him right here.. lol...

bro was that enormous amount of garbage necessary..you just regurjetated everything that everyone else said and then some..

first off you dont need cams.. for the 1k time...WE DONT RUN ON LIFT WE RUN ON TIMING...CAMS ARE USELESS FOR US ....

second 400 bhp wtf are you smoking lol...not even K series motors are pushing 400 all motor daily driver.. lol be realistic here..

flywheel has nothing to do with holding power.. it only lets you rev faster

2 tq dampers lololol.. cmon man with polyurethane mounts he is all good..lol u only need the front and back.. the unibody chasis is strong enough for that lol only problem would be traction...and even then for 200 whp any good tire will be fine.. 1st and 2nd gear spin and a chirp in 3rd.. big deal lol

and with i/h/e ( agood combo ) you can defenitely hit 170's.. i know because alot of my friends including myself have hit 170+ with i/h/e...before i built my motor...u just need the right parts...




look bro u want 200.. follow more or less what i just listed... in parts your gonna spend about 2k bucks and ems another 500... the trd s/c is not a big deal and is just as much of a headache as going turo or building NA.. u have bearing failure to worry about, seals, maintenance, TRD ecu flash which in some cases still isnt the best tune.. yea its cute you keep your warrenty but what happens after that... with turbo its the same as far as worring about dif. things.. all motor done right can last you just as long if not longer and be reliable...its all in who bulids it and what you do for ems and maintenance.. even though it requires alot less maintenance then s/c's or turbos...