DaveDaves dilema is SOLVED!!! (see page 2 bottom)
08-19-2008, 01:03 PM
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DaveDaves dilema is SOLVED!!! (see page 2 bottom)
ok so i had my Competition CLutch and 12lb Flywheel installed 5.5 weeks ago and a week and a half later i was having transmission problems (big ones). they where so bad that the clutch pedal would get rock hard and i wouldnt be able to shift w/o having to FORCE it into gear.
so i took it back to the tech that i took it to (toyota tech) and he didnt have time to look at it right away so i said ok ill leave it here when will you be able to get to it, he said next week, so i agreed to wait.
3 weeks later my car was in the same spot so i took it away from them and brought it to my school to have a transmission teacher look at it. he told me that the problem could be that the clutch and flywheel just have very little play and they just need to be broken in and that theres no real problem. and he said i could drive it around and just baby it (i ALWAYS baby the car). so i took the car to my next class, and sure enough it drove fine for about 5 min and then it froze up on me again. pedal got rock hard and i couldnt shift (i had to shut the car off and put it in first just to get into first gear).
so i brought it back to him and he said that it could either be the clutch line that needs to be bled or the clutch/pressure plate/ throw out bearing is bad (keep in mind these are all BRAND NEW less then 1000 miles on them) so i called Competition Clutch and they told me that they cant do anything w/o pictures of the parts (understandable).
do you guys think that it could be something as simple as bleeding the clutch line? or was a being fed a load of horse sht? im trying to get my car back as soon as possible considering i have been w/o it for a month now
any input would be greatly appreciated, and if you dont know anything about the situation dont post, i dont wanna hear any bullsht. sorry but i have to be blunt because a lot of people on the forum think they have the answers when they really dont.
thank you
so i took it back to the tech that i took it to (toyota tech) and he didnt have time to look at it right away so i said ok ill leave it here when will you be able to get to it, he said next week, so i agreed to wait.
3 weeks later my car was in the same spot so i took it away from them and brought it to my school to have a transmission teacher look at it. he told me that the problem could be that the clutch and flywheel just have very little play and they just need to be broken in and that theres no real problem. and he said i could drive it around and just baby it (i ALWAYS baby the car). so i took the car to my next class, and sure enough it drove fine for about 5 min and then it froze up on me again. pedal got rock hard and i couldnt shift (i had to shut the car off and put it in first just to get into first gear).
so i brought it back to him and he said that it could either be the clutch line that needs to be bled or the clutch/pressure plate/ throw out bearing is bad (keep in mind these are all BRAND NEW less then 1000 miles on them) so i called Competition Clutch and they told me that they cant do anything w/o pictures of the parts (understandable).
do you guys think that it could be something as simple as bleeding the clutch line? or was a being fed a load of horse sht? im trying to get my car back as soon as possible considering i have been w/o it for a month now
any input would be greatly appreciated, and if you dont know anything about the situation dont post, i dont wanna hear any bullsht. sorry but i have to be blunt because a lot of people on the forum think they have the answers when they really dont.
thank you
08-19-2008, 01:29 PM
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dude.. why did u take it back to the tech... its obvious thats were the problem is.... i would take it someplace else... if your not their watching what someone is doing who knows what fk ups they could be doing.. u know anyone can get a degree in oil changing and think they can do other stuff also...
have another shop look at it.... clutch bleeding is a little off the cuff to say that its the culprit since the THAT should not really have any kind of modification to it from the install...
bad install man.. bad install... i wouldnt put it past the "tech" possibly installing it wrong, or not putting in the new throw out bearing, or installing the TB wrong...
have another shop look at it.... clutch bleeding is a little off the cuff to say that its the culprit since the THAT should not really have any kind of modification to it from the install...
bad install man.. bad install... i wouldnt put it past the "tech" possibly installing it wrong, or not putting in the new throw out bearing, or installing the TB wrong...
08-19-2008, 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by TCpete
dude.. why did u take it back to the tech... its obvious thats were the problem is.... i would take it someplace else... if your not their watching what someone is doing who knows what fk ups they could be doing.. u know anyone can get a degree in oil changing and think they can do other stuff also...
have another shop look at it.... clutch bleeding is a little off the cuff to say that its the culprit since the THAT should not really have any kind of modification to it from the install...
bad install man.. bad install... i wouldnt put it past the "tech" possibly installing it wrong, or not putting in the new throw out bearing, or installing the TB wrong...
have another shop look at it.... clutch bleeding is a little off the cuff to say that its the culprit since the THAT should not really have any kind of modification to it from the install...
bad install man.. bad install... i wouldnt put it past the "tech" possibly installing it wrong, or not putting in the new throw out bearing, or installing the TB wrong...
and i had a feeling its a bad install because well he did the install in 2 hours and the book said 7 =/
anyways its at my school now and im gonna have the transmission teacher and his class fix it.
if its the Throw out bearing installed wrong do i need to get everything over again? or is that just something that can be switched around? i would like to not call up Competition clutch again because i dont want to wait for parts.
08-19-2008, 01:43 PM
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they just need to regrease it and install it right as long as its not tooo damagaed... and 2 hours??????????????????????????? that sounds like someone didnt even take it apart man.. if i were you i would ask your teacher to verify the clutch is even in the car with the flywheel also.. cuz 2 hours is way to fast... especially on this fkn car...
08-19-2008, 01:45 PM
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i saw the old parts so i know the new stuff is in there.
but if it is the throw out bearing no additional parts are needed?
and what does too much damage consist of? <1000 miles enough to damage it beyond repair?
but if it is the throw out bearing no additional parts are needed?
and what does too much damage consist of? <1000 miles enough to damage it beyond repair?
08-19-2008, 01:47 PM
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and pete the teacher said he will look over the car top and bottom before he hands it back to me, he only does transmissons and before working here at the school he was a transmission speciallist at the shop he worked at.
08-19-2008, 01:47 PM
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sorry dave i have not answer for you on this one. i was getting worried because i installed a cc stage 1 on the box about the same time you did yours and we both got them from the same place. and i also had a tech to mine on the side. i had called my guy yesterday to ask a few questions. he did mention that he could bleed the line but the way the install was done this would not effect the pedal feel. mine feels loose and just under the rest position. he said that he could bleed it to see if it will feel different. keep us updated on this since i would not like to have the same issues, mine still has the stock flywheel.
08-19-2008, 01:49 PM
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Should of brought it to a tranny spec. the first time esp where its a aftermarket clutch. I could see taking it to the dealer for a stock clutch replacement. Dave u mean to tell me u and pat couldnt do this in 2 hours? Commonnnn
08-19-2008, 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by MrScion07
Should of brought it to a tranny spec. the first time esp where its a aftermarket clutch. I could see taking it to the dealer for a stock clutch replacement. Dave u mean to tell me u and pat couldnt do this in 2 hours? Commonnnn
and btw i brought it to the dealer
08-19-2008, 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by CHPRBOX8
sorry dave i have not answer for you on this one. i was getting worried because i installed a cc stage 1 on the box about the same time you did yours and we both got them from the same place. and i also had a tech to mine on the side. i had called my guy yesterday to ask a few questions. he did mention that he could bleed the line but the way the install was done this would not effect the pedal feel. mine feels loose and just under the rest position. he said that he could bleed it to see if it will feel different. keep us updated on this since i would not like to have the same issues, mine still has the stock flywheel.
08-19-2008, 09:27 PM
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well, i had somewhat similar problems after my clutch/flywheel/lsd and clutchline installation.
my clutch pedal travel was rediculously short, and shifting effort was greatly increased, and i couldn't get into reverse. after i got the clutchline bled, the clutch pedal travel returned to normal, but i shifting effort was still fairly labored, and i couldn't get into reverse unless i shift to first to align the synchros (which p-tuning said "was normal" cough bulls$h!t cough)
my clutch pedal travel was rediculously short, and shifting effort was greatly increased, and i couldn't get into reverse. after i got the clutchline bled, the clutch pedal travel returned to normal, but i shifting effort was still fairly labored, and i couldn't get into reverse unless i shift to first to align the synchros (which p-tuning said "was normal" cough bulls$h!t cough)
08-19-2008, 10:59 PM
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From my experiences and through experiences my friends have had.. this excessively stiff clutch pedal feel is USUALLY from an improperly installed throw-out bearing. It may have not been lubricated enough. The throw-out bearing is binding on the shaft and may need to be replaced.
First thing's first - take your car to a real transmission shop. Maybe your teacher's shop is fine.
Double check and inspect the throw-out bearing. You may need to call Competition Clutch for a new part.
Good luck.. and post pics once you have everything apart.
First thing's first - take your car to a real transmission shop. Maybe your teacher's shop is fine.
Double check and inspect the throw-out bearing. You may need to call Competition Clutch for a new part.
Good luck.. and post pics once you have everything apart.
08-19-2008, 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by draxcaliber
well, i had somewhat similar problems after my clutch/flywheel/lsd and clutchline installation.
my clutch pedal travel was rediculously short, and shifting effort was greatly increased, and i couldn't get into reverse. after i got the clutchline bled, the clutch pedal travel returned to normal, but i shifting effort was still fairly labored, and i couldn't get into reverse unless i shift to first to align the synchros (which p-tuning said "was normal" cough bulls$h!t cough)
my clutch pedal travel was rediculously short, and shifting effort was greatly increased, and i couldn't get into reverse. after i got the clutchline bled, the clutch pedal travel returned to normal, but i shifting effort was still fairly labored, and i couldn't get into reverse unless i shift to first to align the synchros (which p-tuning said "was normal" cough bulls$h!t cough)