bobbystc88

I am thinking about getting a Emanage Blue to tune my car. I am not turbo and do not plan on going turbo... Is it really worth getting. Do you know what kind of gain to expect. Jet Performance has a reflash that adds approx 12whp. Dont know what to do.

Jiggaman

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engine management is primarily used for boosted motors(im assuming you know that)

i would say gettin a new management system is not worth it unless you are boosted...

bobbystc88

ya i know but i have a guy in my club that said that his car was running lean with just the normal n/a mods and dyno'd at approx 140 then installed the emanage blue to help with that fuel that air ration and re dyno'd and was at 175

hawgs74

I can see that

bkuhl

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In order to actually justify getting engine management you would need to have done alot of engine work, period. Slapping on your standard I/H/E/P does not change the the characteristics of the system enough to require it. You may be able to squeeze out one to two horsepower, tops, without building the block up.

Mid_Life_tC-risis

Actually, this guy got over 175whp with just bolt-ons and Camcon:

https://www.scionlife.com/forums/vie...547&highlight=

There are definitely nice gains to be had n/a with fuel management after adding I/H/E breathing mods. It's up to you to decide if it's worth the cost of EMS + tuning, unless you can somehow swing free time on the dyno. In my area, dyno time with a tuner is about $125/hr, depending on how long it takes the $$ can really pile up.

Jiggaman

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well i think about it this way: even if you do get that extra 35 hp from the management system, are you going to want to stop there?

you would already have one of the more expensive parts for a boost application. and then 2000 bucks for a supercharger to put some real power down, although i would MUCH rather go turbo then super.

But then there are bigtime warranty issues of course...

im gonna keep my eye on this one, let us know how it turns out if you do end up getting emanage

bobbystc88

I dont want to go turbo i have a couple guys in my club that have turbos and have had problems. There is only one guy that has the GReddy turbo and he doesnt push his car nor is it getting as much power but he has had no problems. 60hp for supercharger i dont think is worth it.

soros151

Why the eternal; turbo vs. NA thread. He just wants to go NA, let him have fun. Not too many people want to go that route. Kudos on that.

xCxHxRxIxSx

camcon would be you best bet . people have noticed big gains NA with it . it lets you clean up you af ratio and tune your cams lift from +20 deg to -20 deg camcon is you best bet

caveman

That would be cool if our motors actually worked on lift and not timing...

bkuhl

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yep, it sure would!

I've got 172hp to the wheels with i/h/e... not hooked up to the e-manage ultimate yet. It's installed but not plugged in to the ECU.

xCxHxRxIxSx

you can change timing of cams with it .. my bad for not saying it .. but it really is the best thing for na setup .

tuffCookie

how'd u manage 172 WHP on just I/H/E?? do you have other work done like port and polish head?

i always read that 160 WHP is a more realistic figure for just I/H/E.

caveman

Ive been readin 160 is bout average to for I/H/E, thats basically wat im running now hopefully ill get it on the dyno within a couple weeks....so we shall see...

A FIC is in order as well as i begin to get parts to go boost, but i wanna see how far i can take the car N/A...not much i know but i would just like to test it...

Mid_Life_tC-risis

Agreed. 160 is realistic maximum for I/H/E untuned. That dyno might be uncorrected.

soros151

Realistic numbers can go all the way to 16x. No more than 168whp. I saw a dyno once like that, no tuning involved.

bobbystc88

mine on the dyno in 97 degree heat with aem intake/ dc headers and hks axle back was only 154whp. they said to add about 5whp in cooler wheather. i am waiting to dyno again after i get my invidia s-pipe i just hope it lines up good with the headers. i have already installed my zpi pulley so cant wait to see what happens.