last night i met up with a guy from around town with a tc to do some runs since he has the mods i wanna do next

He has:
hotchkis rear sway, DC strut bar, ZPI lightened crank pulley, Injen intake, ZPI exhaust, megan s-pipe, short shifter, and I know there are a few other random things

i was looking at doing the ZPI lightened crank pulley and the s-pipe.

Right now i have Injen intake and TRD exhaust.

We did some 30 mph rolls and 50 mph rolls and every time i pulled him..


So after seeing that i was wondering if the s-pipe is worth it or what ...

 

are you both 5 spds, and same years? if you are, it should of been a drivers race, but sounds like he can't drive...lol

 

sounds like a drivers race..

but what size rims does he have?? and you??

that is another factor..

 

well...lets see...take away all the suspension mods because those don't do anything for straightline performance. the only things that add some horsepower are the intake, s-pipe, and the crank pulley.

maybe he just doesn't know when to shift. maybe in the 30 mph rolls, he was taking on in 3rd trying to brake boost like travis taught everybody, except, well, your friend isn't boosted, while your in second taking off.

if he has an 05-06, and you have an 07-08, you already have a horsepower advantage because of some changes taht were made to the engines between those years.

and the s-pipe is worth it if your going to do full exhaust because it is the most restrictive part of the cars exhaust system, so do that and do the exhaust from that part on back, and your tc will be able to breath alot better.

 

^^ .3 compression and 1 whp + and 1- tq is not really a huge diff. in the 05-06 and 07+ motors...

sounds more like a drivers race and the guy just is sucking at driving....

i do agree on the spipe.. get that shiz outta there and you will have some better perf. ...ad a 2.25 or 2.5 midpipe to exhuast and ur rolling

 

A little off topic but how did his exhaust sound, zpi is auctioning off there remaining stock of exhausts. Thinking about getting one.

 

mines a 05 his was a 05 and both on stock rims

and i couldnt really hear his car over mine

 

Well, it would be a drivers race, but it also shows how little those bolt ons help anything Exactly what many of us would suspect with those mods.

 

lol engifineer the cynic

 

yep, x2

 

so order s-pipe or mid pipe first

and who makes the best mid pipe for the tc

 

Maybe, you got some sort of Franky motor from the factory. It seems strange, but I would race my friend who had a 06 Supercharged and I had a 05 with intake and exhaust and from a 30 roll, he barely pulled on me...

 

Was his auto and yours manual?

 

Both were manuals and we even traded seats and got the same results. From a dead start, his car would get the jump, about a car link, but would not pull away after we both hit 3rd. From a roll, his car would leave me with my front bumper at his rear bumper with him barely pulling away from me. His car was the reason why I decided not to get the SC. Back in 2000, I had a Civic Si and my friend had a 99 Si...same exact car just a year diff, hell even the same color. I had SRI/H/E and he had CAI and he would pull on me pretty bad....I seriously think that sometimes you can just get a better motor from the factory.

 

actually they changed the way they dyno its more strict now so thats why those changes have been made, so it's more than 1 pony.

 

X3 (basically).

S-pipe & midpipe won't do squat if you're staying n/a. If you're serious about more power get a header.

BTW, who had the better tires?

 

i think he did

i have bald potenzas on right now

and i think ill get a header

 

I don't want to get into another argument but thats not entirely true. They may not be worth the $400 you pay if you divide $/hp but saying they have no effect is ridicules. If you have a header, there is no point of getting just the axle back, you might as well eliminate the cat and it will give you better response and some additional power. I felt more response after getting my s-pipe back exhaust for sure, it may be only a few more hp but if anyone goes to the track like I do, every .01 second makes a difference and believe me after you have done all your N/A bolt ons there is no reason you should run the stock s-pipe and mid-pipe with the cat. When you are in 3rd and 4th in the upper ranges of your tach, it will give you that extra edge.

 

if you were thinking about going f/i before then just go turbo and forget about it.

 

heh... not really cynical menace... I have just learned to face the facts with these mods :D While bolting on an i/h/e will get some gain, out of nearly 3 years of posting I haven't seen anyone get more than about .1 - .3 sec from them. They can claim all the hp they want (And peak power doesnt mean a lot to me) but the times tell the true story. So, while a few tenths means something to someone who 1/4 mile races all the time, it is hardly a good gain for the average driver (And if you take away the noise they make, they wont "feel" that big gain they all claim).

I dont try to bash people or their mods, but I am also honest with myself about what they will really do for someone. Personally I would rather spend $1000 on suspension mods that will make a HUGE difference in the car than spend $1000 in mods that I will really only notice fully at the drag strip, and will still make a small enough difference to leave it a drivers race. Others feel differently, and that is cool too.