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Old Mar 25, 2007 | 01:17 AM
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darkblue]hi this is my first post....i was just wondering what i could do to gain about 40 hp through the addition of parts without having engine problems...somthing that is affordable thanks
Old Mar 25, 2007 | 01:22 AM
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nothing that's 40 horses is affordable.

Go with the TRD supercharger. It's gonna be about $3500 installed but it's definitely 40 mhorses and it's definitely safe.
Old Mar 25, 2007 | 01:37 AM
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The supercharger is infamous for problems.

There's nothing to do for 40hp that's cheap, or reasonable. A 200whp N/A tC will cost a TON of money, and a turbo will cost less, but with that comes the expenses of maintaining your car, including beefed-up internals.
Old Mar 25, 2007 | 02:39 AM
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TRD stickers add roughly 5 whp. you've got 4 wheels so that's 20 whp right there. Then you could make the rest up by getting a Folders Can and welding that onto your exhaust tip. That's roughly 35 whp per exhaust. lol jk not much you can do that's affordable.

well 40 hp at the crank would be what? 35 whp? 37ish? I/H/E would make up what? 20? The way I see it he's not looking for a 200whp car but rather a 160-170whp car, seeing how our cars make 140-150 stock. Would that be do-able?
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if youre planning to mod any car properly, it's going to cost. I/H/E can cost anywhere between $600 - $1000..... of course those are estimates. With those mods, you'll probably want to add a resonator to keep the noise down so thats more $. Overall, the tC is not the most mod friendly of cars N/A.
Old Mar 25, 2007 | 04:36 AM
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40 hp is a hard target to hit you will either well surpass that, or fall short breaking your wallet with bolt ons. aim for 20......or 100 your choice
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This is a good start:

http://www.monstermotorworks.com/cgi...&ppinc=search2
Old Mar 27, 2007 | 07:37 PM
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That deal is so absurd. There is absolutely no chance that that setup makes the claimed horsepower. Their dyno video is of a car on a dyno, not any readings or baselines. People that have dyno's on this site that are real, not a company sponsored "claim", make more like 15whp with a similar setup.
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MMW headers- 15-20hp $850
INJEN Cold air intake -12hp $225
Ark catback exhaust (dt-s or n2 your choice) -12hp $600
^with this exhaust you wont need to worry about resonators^
Zex wet kit (nitrous kit) -75hp $800

approximately $2,500 for 114hp. in total your tC will have around .....254whp and that your cheapest safest route.
any other questions pm me
Old Mar 27, 2007 | 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by FIREDOG
MMW headers- 15-20hp $850
INJEN Cold air intake -12hp $225
Ark catback exhaust (dt-s or n2 your choice) -12hp $600
^with this exhaust you wont need to worry about resonators^
Zex wet kit (nitrous kit) -75hp $800

approximately $2,500 for 114hp. in total your tC will have around .....254whp and that your cheapest safest route.
any other questions pm me
wow
so youre saying headers, intake, and exhaust is going to give me 40whp? I think anyones car would be lucky to see 20whp from all of that.
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Originally Posted by FIREDOG
MMW headers- 15-20hp $850
INJEN Cold air intake -12hp $225
Ark catback exhaust (dt-s or n2 your choice) -12hp $600
^with this exhaust you wont need to worry about resonators^
Zex wet kit (nitrous kit) -75hp $800

approximately $2,500 for 114hp. in total your tC will have around .....254whp and that your cheapest safest route.
any other questions pm me
I remember the time in my life when I thought that a company's advertised power gains were reality and that the advertised power of bolt-on parts just added up that easily. No offense, Firedog, but it just doesn't work that way. Not only are you not going to get anywhere near those numbers you found for each INDIVIDUAL piece...in the end you'll be so far from 254 WHEEL horsepower that you'll cry yourself to sleep every night for months because you spent $2500 that you could have had for college or retirement on a measly 20hp. So if you've got $2500 to spend on bolt ons, just make a $2500 car payment.

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wow
so youre saying headers, intake, and exhaust is going to give me 40whp? I think anyones car would be lucky to see 20whp from all of that.
And no, he didn't say 40 whp. He said 114! And I hope he was joking.
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Besides, I wouldn't count nitrous onto that HP count, as I don't really consider it a part of the car, just a limited use boost.
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Originally Posted by Zebman
Besides, I wouldn't count nitrous onto that HP count, as I don't really consider it a part of the car, just a limited use boost.
Yeah, you're right. But he's still claiming 40 hp. You can't just add those numbers. It simply doesn't work that way. If it did, everyone who had previously posted here would have listed this or a similar combo and everyone on the street would be making 400+ hp. I wish it were that easy.
Old Mar 27, 2007 | 09:56 PM
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so true^ you cant just add parts together.

i personally woudl get a nitrous kit and be done with it, but other people dont like spraying....
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Originally Posted by nig_nig_the_conqueror
Originally Posted by FIREDOG
MMW headers- 15-20hp $850
INJEN Cold air intake -12hp $225
Ark catback exhaust (dt-s or n2 your choice) -12hp $600
^with this exhaust you wont need to worry about resonators^
Zex wet kit (nitrous kit) -75hp $800

approximately $2,500 for 114hp. in total your tC will have around .....254whp and that your cheapest safest route.
any other questions pm me
And no, he didn't say 40 whp. He said 114! And I hope he was joking.
i said 114 with nitrous^ you quoted me how did you not read that.

i do believe mmw headers to make at least 15 hp
i do belive the ark full cat back exhaust to make 12 hp
i do believe injen intake to make 12 hp (this is top end horsepower but it is still horsepower)
i do believe a 75 shot nitrous kit to make 75 hp

and if you dont believe me well we will all find out cause this list will be under my hood in three months except for the 75 shot (eyes sig) and i will post a dyno...
Old Mar 28, 2007 | 12:41 AM
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[quote="nig_nig_the_conqueror"]
Originally Posted by Zebman
Besides, I wouldn't count nitrous onto that HP count, as I don't really consider it a part of the car, just a limited use boost.
what is a turbo?...thats fine you get your $5,000 turbo and we will see what "real hp" is at the track....


if i had a better platform then yes i would get a turbo, or a supercharger or what have you but expensive hp on an inexpensive car just doesnt make sense....IMO

i dont mind being wrong and maybe i am we will all find out in three months...
Old Mar 30, 2007 | 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by nig_nig_the_conqueror
Originally Posted by FIREDOG
MMW headers- 15-20hp $850
INJEN Cold air intake -12hp $225
Ark catback exhaust (dt-s or n2 your choice) -12hp $600
^with this exhaust you wont need to worry about resonators^
Zex wet kit (nitrous kit) -75hp $800

approximately $2,500 for 114hp. in total your tC will have around .....254whp and that your cheapest safest route.
any other questions pm me
I remember the time in my life when I thought that a company's advertised power gains were reality and that the advertised power of bolt-on parts just added up that easily. No offense, Firedog, but it just doesn't work that way. Not only are you not going to get anywhere near those numbers you found for each INDIVIDUAL piece...in the end you'll be so far from 254 WHEEL horsepower that you'll cry yourself to sleep every night for months because you spent $2500 that you could have had for college or retirement on a measly 20hp. So if you've got $2500 to spend on bolt ons, just make a $2500 car payment.

Originally Posted by TheQuietThings
wow
so youre saying headers, intake, and exhaust is going to give me 40whp? I think anyones car would be lucky to see 20whp from all of that.
And no, he didn't say 40 whp. He said 114! And I hope he was joking.
agree....if you want to make a little power spend it on intake exhaust then make the car look good. if you want big power build and boost dont just turbo a stock bottom end it will die a lot faster becuase theres something called gread... 6 psi turns to 8 turns to 10 turns to boom. build and boost 15 youll be happy. thats if ur gonna spend money on evey bolt on cuz its a waste. like i said if you just want the car to have some pep do intake and even header back. dont waste your money. i learned the hard way turbo'd my 99 Z24 cavalier for all of 215whp and 221tq waste...if ur gonna boost save and go all out. thats my opinion. stock tc prolly could handle 6-8 psi safe on a good tune id stay around 6 theres a reason TRD's kit does 7, and when a T3/T4 or so spools up at 6 it will put out more then that TRD at 7 turbos are lovely...
Old Mar 31, 2007 | 03:52 AM
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Originally Posted by FIREDOG

i said 114 with nitrous^ you quoted me how did you not read that.

i do believe mmw headers to make at least 15 hp
i do belive the ark full cat back exhaust to make 12 hp
i do believe injen intake to make 12 hp (this is top end horsepower but it is still horsepower)
i do believe a 75 shot nitrous kit to make 75 hp

and if you dont believe me well we will all find out cause this list will be under my hood in three months except for the 75 shot (eyes sig) and i will post a dyno...
Yeah sorry about that nitrous bit, that's my stupid mistake. Apologies.

But I SERIOUSLY doubt that headers are going to gain you 15 horsepower. I've never seen that big of a gain in power with the addition of headers. I'm sorry but you're just going to have to prove it. Let me see a before and after dyno and we'll see.

I'll tell you one thing for damn sure: you better make AT LEAST 15 horsepower for $850 dollars. Jesus Christ.
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