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Old Apr 12, 2010 | 08:38 PM
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I am always putting another part on my car, or anticipating the next piece. I just put in a new grill and cf seibon hood and I'm ready to make the next move. I have a injen CAI and magnaflow catback exhaust and I love the sound. I was thinking of doing a throttlebody and extender since I heard that adds a nice 'turboish' sound to it, and will have a small gain in throttle response and hp. I don't want to do headers since all i ever hear are complaints about rasp, even though that would add some nice asthetics under the hood.

Can't seem to find a throttle body for the tC however. Anyone know where I can find one, and any input or ideas would be appreciated.
Old Apr 12, 2010 | 08:45 PM
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Descendant Racing makes one, but you won't find any gains from it. It will look nice under the hood but it prices at around $400. Not worth it IMO, unless you were turboed. That's when you'd see gains.
Old Apr 12, 2010 | 10:16 PM
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Yea the throttle body is already the perfect size for N/A air flow. Unless you did an intake manifold it wouldnt help. And even in that case manifold+ throttle body will be like $1000? for 10hp? money better spent on headers and upgraded resonators. If you get good resonators you wont have to worry about much rasp.
Old Apr 13, 2010 | 01:27 AM
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Just making sure... you did mean an actual throttle body correct? Or did you mean a throttle body spacer?
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nobody makes a throttle body for the tc
Old Apr 13, 2010 | 04:01 AM
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Originally Posted by DJ08tC
nobody makes a throttle body for the tc
thats why I ask... I couldnt find one. Including Descendant
Old Apr 13, 2010 | 04:25 AM
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pretty sure he was talking about the intake manifold.
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Well either way the descendant intake manifold is like $600. But it has short runners so its only good for forced induction.
So rumple... your options (assuming you want to stay N/A and not tear into the block), are intake manifold (with long runners), or headers lol. Im pretty sure this question has been asked 100 times before... sooooo dont be surprised if some haters get on here mad that you didnt search thoroughly.

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Old Apr 13, 2010 | 10:21 PM
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I was looking for a throttle body since I heard I would get better throttle response and a little bit more hp. From researching a bit it seems that all I need is the extender and OBX makes one I can get for like $50. Apparently thiers creates a vortex in the induction making a better mixture of air and fuel, and will get better gas mileage and more throttle response, and save me about $300 since I can't get the full throttlebody anyway.

I am still interested in getting the headers with a resonator. I wasn't aware that different resonators will give difference response. Is there somewhere I can get just the resonator? I already have the catback, and dont really want to get another one. I also prefer the 4-2-1 headers, but it seems that they will always come with a downpipe attached, with no catalytic converter. I want the resonator and the cat still.

Any suggestions?
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throttle body spacers are junk, they do nothing but make a cai whistle more. There was someone on here and they dyno tested one and they actually lost 1 hp with it. It might improve gas mileage but i doubt it.
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Good info on this thread . This will sound novice i know but , if you dont ask....right ?
So is there any point in changing the throttle body or the intake manifold (not doing turbo or supercharger . Im looking for power gains . by forced induction , it was meant as ram air or cai or both ? Are there option for throttle bodys and intake manifolds not turbo or supercharger ? Also what the heck is a resonator ?

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for other cars intake manifolds and throttle bodies work great. Honda's see good gains from them and seem to be better suited to N/A builds. The drive by wire i believe limits the capabilities of the throttle bodies and companies that make intake manifolds haven't given any proof that they actually give significant gains. I know a few people that had them on F/I apps were have problems tuning with the aftermarket intake manifolds.
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Gude DOES make an aftermarket larger Throttle body, or at least it's for sale in their "head kit"

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http://www.fastscions.com/gude-perfo...d-package.aspx

I've never seen anyone use it though, and there is no mention of it for sale separately.

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i wish the tuner world had more people that were educated instead of buying into ridiculous claims.
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Originally Posted by SilverCFtC
Gude DOES make an aftermarket larger Throttle body, or at least it's for sale in their "head kit"

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http://www.fastscions.com/gude-perfo...d-package.aspx

I've never seen anyone use it though, and there is no mention of it for sale separately.

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it's not aftermarket, that's stock and ported
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Originally Posted by spiderbradman
Good info on this thread . This will sound novice i know but , if you dont ask....right ?
So is there any point in changing the throttle body or the intake manifold (not doing turbo or supercharger . Im looking for power gains . by forced induction , it was meant as ram air or cai or both ? Are there option for throttle bodys and intake manifolds not turbo or supercharger ? Also what the heck is a resonator ?

OB1 (original box 1st g)
You could try a new intake manifold but I havent seen a naturally aspirated one thats worth its salt.
Forced Induction= turbo or supercharger
Ram air (hot air lol) and cold air are just intakes... nothing more
A resonator is like a muffler, but you weld it into the midpipe usually, not at the end. It reduces the exhaust sound and rasp.
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Originally Posted by rumpelsmoothskin
I was looking for a throttle body since I heard I would get better throttle response and a little bit more hp. From researching a bit it seems that all I need is the extender and OBX makes one I can get for like $50. Apparently thiers creates a vortex in the induction making a better mixture of air and fuel, and will get better gas mileage and more throttle response, and save me about $300 since I can't get the full throttlebody anyway.

I am still interested in getting the headers with a resonator. I wasn't aware that different resonators will give difference response. Is there somewhere I can get just the resonator? I already have the catback, and dont really want to get another one. I also prefer the 4-2-1 headers, but it seems that they will always come with a downpipe attached, with no catalytic converter. I want the resonator and the cat still.

Any suggestions?
Dont listen to that "Vortex" bullcrap. We are fuel injected so any kind of fancy stuff inside the intake is unnecessary. That stuff really only workes for big carbourated engines.
And yes you can buy just a resonator. There is a big difference between a "hot dog" resonator and a wide one though. Wide ones are like the "cure all" haha. A hot dog is a waste of money in my opinion, they bearly do anything.
4-2-1 is a good choice for N/A. Thats what ive got. If you got headers it would get rid of the cat(thats a good thing for power).

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Originally Posted by Irish_tc_518
Dont listen to that "Vortex" bullcrap. We are fuel injected so any kind of fancy stuff inside the intake is unnecessary. That stuff really only workes for big carbourated engines.
And yes you can buy just a resonator. There is a big difference between a "hot dog" resonator and a wide one though. Wide ones are like the "cure all" haha. A hot dog is a waste of money in my opinion, they bearly do anything.
4-2-1 is a good choice for N/A. Thats what ive got. If you got headers it would get rid of the cat(thats a good thing for power).
Ummmmm...... Irish dude sounds like he knows what he is saying and not just repeating what he has heard . I hate nothing more than stuff advertised to do this or that . Fuel injected negates a lot of the older tech mods and also the xb being a small 4 banger , not all upgrades or mods make a difference like the same mod in a 6 or 8 banger . I am novice for sure but I know enough to weed through advice . You guys who know keep it up , thanks .
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Thnks man, I try lol.
But I definitely agree with DJ about the throttle extender. You will more likely lose power. Cause your just causing turbulance in the intake... which is exactly what your trying to eliminate.
BTW I love most of Weapon-R's stuff (have their header) so Im not bashing them, but their little Secret weapon intake does the same thing. One pipe inside another? Its just creating more surface area the engine has to push through. More "vortex" bull lol.
Oh and I forgot resonator install. Just cut out a section of your midpipe and weld it in. You could also have someone do it, should be cheap cause its pretty easy.

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