CarbonXe

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I love how you talk about having great throttle response and power at every level, and then you bring Civics into the factor.

And since you brought up the Vette, and you think boost can't have instant throttle response, and you think Civics are god...I think you might wanna see/hear this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vva9IeaXil0
Specifically at 0:27. Maybe you'll realize that YOU'RE being biased toward your little 200hp Hond.

And 250WHP tC? lol. Way to target the lowest turbo tC demographic.

And if you're spending $10,000 to milk out every possible HP, congrats on being the MUCH slower car. $10,000 will easily build a 350WHP turbo tC, plus buy sticky tires and coil overs, and have enough money left over to pay for entry fees for 2-3 years.

TCpete

i only spent a little under 2k for all my NA garbage... if i had 8 more to blow i'd buy me like 6 pairs of volk te37s and tossed them at the turbo car... once i hit the driver in the head and brake his FMIC .. ill be the winrar!


seriously though.. im willing to bet the na K car was an eg hatch on slicks and the turbo K was something of a heavier shell.. or just a realllly bad driver.

ecko04

*watching for responses*

CarbonXe

iTrader: (1)

Oh and if you think the difference between N/A and turbo is THAT different, I suggest you actually drive a boosted tC before you try knocking it, because you obviously haven't.

CarbonXe

iTrader: (1)

OP sounds like the kind of person who changes out the muffler for a big ol' fart can, hears the raspy goodness, and "feels" a big gain.

ecko04

But there isn't that much difference in driving a N/A tC and boosted tC besides the turbo spool at 2500-3000 RPM, the torque steer in 3rd, the G force that pushes you back in the seat, that BOV sound and the fact you need to watch that rev limiter a little more closely, besides that they're practically the same in every way

ecko04

Stop talking about me Carbon!

You know I had intake, header, exhaust, pulley and thought I was pushing 180whp.....well I was on a dynojet

Mustang dyno I was 141whp

At least it sounded nice

t_urbo_C_harged

^^^lolz

davedavetC

iTrader: (4)

there was an xB2 at sema with ITBs, they got them off of Leslie durst's race car. her NA tC had about 300 whp.

i believe this xB2 had >200 whp and it was using the AEM Standalone with a drive my cable set up.

i forgot how she said she did it (yes it was a girls car and she was cute) but i'd try getting a hold of Leslie Durst cus as far as i know shes the only one that succeeded on it.

ecko04

Best part of the post

nodsetse

LOL, you obviously have no clue about CARB...it ain't gonna happen.

BZinn1

Leslie is about the only driver with a ITB and honestly there is nothing stock in that motor,on that motor,or controling that motor.......there are lots of articals on her car on the internet and if you meet her she will even tell you all about it and how to do it......but you are gonna need some deep pockets to get it done.

davedavetC

iTrader: (4)

you would need deep pockets to do what she did, but not to run ITBs.

honestly you could do that set up w/o fuel management for under 1000.

if you do most of it yourself.

now mostlikely the only way to get around the DBW would be to do the AEM stand alone which is big money. but more power to anyone who does it.

i tried. i failed.

Exodus

x2

mongiamc10

this guy is ridiculous lol.

if i believe him, i mine as well think i can beat the ptuning ta car with this setup lol... and i also like how he used the "250" demographic for the tc while there are so many people hitting 350+ safely.


FAIL

mongiamc10

I LOVE THAT VIDEO BTW... PURE SEX ON WHEELS

DeiselFuel2o2

Look I love turbo cars, I love s/c'd cars and I love NA cars. I just wanted to know.

The only reason I was comparing 200 NA vs. 250 turbo is because I want to show you guys that hp for hp NA is better all day.

You guys are really something. I was only refering to the civics as an example. Not because I think they are god.

I have a AW11 with a 4a in it but its just not that much power so I'm going to keep it stock. It's fun as hell to drive and it sticks like its on rails.

Now one of my bud's had a 1.8t GTi and that thing was hella fun. He got the reflash, then he got a new downpipe, then he got full exhaust etc. But now he has an E36 m3 and he spent around 20k building the car. And its NA. He could of gone the 15k for a turbo route but he preferred NA.

Now for people that don't know, 20k on a BMW is normal. The parts are expensive...you gotta pay to play.

My dad has a SL55 amg so I know wtf power is. Ya'll assume way to much.

"you seem like the kind of guy that races for 2 seconds and if your infront you think you win" wrong. Its called top end. i helped a friend of mine build a 53 ford with a 572 and it has 700hp. He went against a 800hp S/C'd 69 camaro and during the 1/8 mile the camaro had him all day until his truck's better top end whooped the camaro. Sure 2 car lengths dosnt sound like much, but when the camaro had 4 on him by the 1/8 and he gains 6 over time i'd rather go NA and stay that way.

Obviously this isnt about ITB's anymore, so if anyone is willing to lock the thread go ahead.

I was just wanting to see if anyone knew a TC not a XB2 (dont care if it has the same engine) with ITB's. Apprently it has been tried but no success. Thx for the info.

BlackKnight

Like I said ITB's = higher hp and you lose torque.

1989menace

ive honestly thought about it before. but it wont ever happen. NA is a nice but expensive set up. with barely any good outcomes other then your car being more reliable. sounds like you shouldnt be driving a scion if you really want to acheive somthing with a NA set up. all i have is one word for you. HONDA! with a k series or b series its nice to do a all motor set up. especially with there impressive top end.

DeiselFuel2o2

if you are worried about toqrue get longer stacks. 30mm = high HP

60mm more torque but less hp, yet equal response