Whocares05050

I am curious to know what any of think of this for the tC. I am not 100% sure, but i do believe this is what scion speed was using with there tC. any thoughts? :

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Scion...QQcmdZViewItem

The_Instigator

I think Raamaudio and maybe Lo_Bux_Racer haver used them in the past with good success. Unless you are making some serious power it should hold up fine. Quaife should be releasing a true LSD soon too.

SiknesS

funny thing... I was looking into an LSD too... is that one from phantom a one way...or a two way??

Scion_South

TRD said they are working with Quaife to make a LSD. It's is probably more like TRD is waiting for Quaife to make it then rebadge it as their own. But it may mean TRD will have a high quality LSD under warranty.

gwtc

iTrader: (4)

Can someone please explain to me what the difference between a one and a two way LSD is, thanks, I know what an LSD does, but I'm not quite sure how they work.

krolla

One way locks up only during acceleration.. Two way will lock up under braking as well..

There is also 1.5 (one and a half) way, which locks up during braking, but not as hard as during launch..

The 1.5 way can provide more forgiving balance when braking than a full 2 way setup, although it may be less effective real true racing,

I think 1.5 is good for FWDs, since their "front heavyness" usually needs extra stability during braking.

gwtc

iTrader: (4)

Thanks for the info, it kinda makes sense, I guess i would have to see in real life how it works to get the full picture.

Phixeus

i think Phantom has alread, or is building a LSD for the tC. they are on the same line of performance and quality as Quaife.

terra_tC

TRD will also rebadge the price...

WeDriveScions

Phantom < Quaife
Phantom $$$ < Quaife $$$

Quaife will handle much more power and from what I've seen on performance boards, is a much better solution that phantom grip, by its design...

Individuals have used Phantoms and got great results... but I'd go Quaife....

Either will be a PITA to install on a tC.... and be a pretty penny.

skinny

did anyone know that the tc comes stock with lsd

Batjew

obviously, it does not

WeDriveScions

Maybe if you buy a tC from a guy on the corner it will come stock with LSD (In the glove-box)....

It's got an open differential to the extreme...with stock tires... it's slips-ville.

fivepointnine

the phantom grip is not a true LSD.....its not that much $$ either

Munch

If you're gonna do it. Do it right the first time.

Jowie

So thats what those tiny squares of paper were in my glove box...

tcholic

yup

Simplyscion

I would never put one of those Phantom grips in my car but thats just my opinion.

HKSpeed

the phantom grip locks the open diff's spider gears together. this is similar to old skool lsd's. the plates are spring loaded, so the amount of pressure exerted can vary depending on the torque load. its a very simple and primitive design. newer style lsd's like Quaife's detect torque bias and distributes it accordingly. with the phantom grip, youre still using the stock differential which may not be as strong as an aftermarket unit. I dont know how strong or weak the stock tC diff is.

you get what you pay for. from eclipse and honda guys who've used it, they say its good for lower horsepower setups (HP/torque not exceeding the 200's) and straight line acceleration (not so good for road racing). for the money, people dont seem to complain. you will have to dissassemble/reassemble your stock open diff to install the Phantom grip, so install is much more complicated. replacement diffs like Quaife swap out your stock diff. most fwd cars require you to remove the tranmission to get to the diff (so swap out your clutch and flywheel while youre at it).

Here is a pic of the phantom grip in a dodge neon stock open diff.

madigan923

a LSD is the last major mod i plan to do (for now)... i'm tired of one wheel burnouts.