I have a question that im sure most of you will find stupid but im new.Would it hurt my car to add and intake and exhaust and not a header?Im not too concerned with adding performance but I dont want to hurt my performance either.

 

Wont hurt at all. I ran that setup for awhile. The Header adds alot of power, but I dont want to deal with the CEL potential and rasp that can POTENTIALLY come with it.

 

hmmmmm... lets think together... as a team... for a moment

this is what were going to do, im going to ask a series of questions and you think just think about them.

why would performance parts, such as those u mentioned that perform and work beter than stock, decrease your performace?
almost every member of this site has either an exhaust or intake, many without a header. Would we do this if it hurt anything?
Have you ever even HEard of somthing like that happening?
How would an intake or an exhaust even do that??... its like helping the engine if anything...
Should you be buying thinking of buying parts for your car without nowing what they actually do?

Hopefully after reviewing THEESE questions, you would have found an answer to YOUR question on your own

 

ouch

 

^ That was mean.....

Go for the intake and exhaust... you'll like the tone..

 

Wow that was uncalled for.I know exactly what each part does buy itsself,I was just curious if they would be pointless without a header.I want a good deep tone to my car but I dont want to deal with rasp or the CEL light.SO next time...dont be such a douche.I told you at the beginning that this might seem like a stupid question.

 

Just ignore the flaming from the guys.... you won't get as much power as you would with a header as well.... but you'll like the tone.... better to ask, that have a regret later

 

I wasnt flaming at all, so I dont know why you said I was mean.

 

I think you will be happier in the long run without the header. Contrary to what some will say, there is not really a good one on the market yet. I would go with an intake and exhaust and call it a day and save yourself some headaches. The car is fun to drive as is and the intake and exhaust will give you the sound you want without so many problems. That's what i would do.

 

There are no stupid questions, just stupid people.

 

AAccchh! You beat me to it!

 

i deffinately think he was talking about me.

if you dont want to made fun of for asking stupid questions... try not asking stupid questions perhaps??

stupid questions usually come from simple misunderstandings or simply not knowing about enough about a topic. Stupid questions can be avoided with a little bit of research.

but yes as said already, there is no such thing as a stupid question, just some questions have answers that are extremely more obvious than others...

 

wow, you really let him have it...i see much anger in him

 

Sometimes the question is not the thing that makes one look stupid; Sometimes it's the lack of capitalization, spelling mistakes, general punctuation omissions, goofy leet-speek contractions, run-on sentances and general "shoulda paid more attention in skool" vibe a post exudes that truly make one appear stupid. Luckily, the original poster can easily do a search, but you are going to have to crack a book or two to get up to speed.....

 

hey! If I wanted to write in proper MLA essay format, with all proper sentences, I could; however this is online chatting more than it is an SAT examination. (Yes that’s right; I correctly used a semi colon... TWICE!)

 

In the future... anyone with stupid questions, just PM or AIM me, and avoid all this drama.... golly....

I'll help you the best I can, or at least point you in the right direction....

 

sensay, you're missing a comma after the "however."

Proper adherence to MLA format isn't necessary. What would be nice, however, is the proper use of simple structural standards in writing. Capitalization, punctuation, spelling, as well as syntax would vastly increase your ability to communicate. It isn't purely a chatroom level discussion; a forum is also a message board - read: a board that hosts messages that others have to read. Proper capitalization and punctuation (and syntax would be good too) makes it easier to communicate and thus, strengthens your argument.

Generally speaking, I also wish that everyone here avoids all reference errors, precision errors (also prone to,) pronoun case errors (ie people who like to hit/people whom I like to hit) and the like. Alas!



Anyways, pertaining to the topic at hand, bolt-ons often come at the cost of low end performance. By having restrictions, a lower peak torque is achieved earlier in the RPM band. By elminating said restrictions, it is possible to sacrifice low end torque for less of a drop off in the higher end torque. Although it isn't drastic (there's a precision error - what isn't drastic?) Although the low end loss isn't drastic, some have noticed it (this isn't a a precision error because its antecedent is clearly identified at the beginning of the sentence.) There have been a few threads discussing a tC with I/H/E being run down by stock tCs. It's not often this happens but these bolt-ons won't give anyone a clear edge in a race. A G Tech also has measured a full bolt-on tC with a higher 0-60 time than a stock tC.

There is some controversy surrounding bolt-on intake mods. Almost all CAI and SRI out there have enlarged piping to allow better flow. The most gains are probably realized by the straightened piping and the high flowing cone filter; the gain from cold air is probably not very significant since most applications source the air either too close to the engine to make much difference or too close to the wheel and ground (that reflects some and radiates absorbed heat.)

This leaves the improved piping to be the source of gains. The gains are almost entirely from straightened piping. Why is this? Consider a NASCAR engine. NASCAR engines have intake restrictor plates with holes that are aren't much more than if not less than a centimeter in diameter. These same engines create 400 hp easily. These restricted holes are collectively smaller than the intake piping of the OEM tract. If a NASCAR engine can support 400 hp with restricted intakes, what use can such a modest car as the tC have with an enlarged pipe?

Now, that said, it's easy to replace the OEM filter with a cone filter and there exists segmented piping that allows tuners to custom fabricate their own intake using said pipes and couplers. Dr. I's GFI stage III costs considerably less than any CAI and probably nets about, if not more gains than these CAIs.

NOTE: I'm just a casual enthusiast so I may easily be wrong about a lot of stuff - it's just fun to talk about!

 

Thanks everyone for the help.I really really appreciate it.But I have a issue,other than my lack of research...lol.Um you say theres a lack of low end torque if I bolt on an Intake and Exhaust?What do you mean by not drastic?(i know what the word means)Could you be a little more specific?

 

if you knew what the word ment you wouldnt be asking that question.
that just means after installing those items the gains wont be by much

and HEY, im going to talk to you guys the same way id talk to friends. SOOOoooo im not going care about correctness.

 

https://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=74606

http://www.yoursciontc.com/forums/in...showtopic=8255

A bigger pipe will take longer to fill out. When it fills out, maximum gains can be realized.