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Old Apr 21, 2009 | 09:45 PM
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Nitrous for an auto is nice.

You can run a 14.5 in the 1/4 in an auto with a 50 shot of nitrous and with a 75 shot you're in the 13's.

N2O is actually safer running on the auto than manual; no shifting to worry about, no rev limiters to hit..WOT on an auto + N20 is a perfect combination.
Old Apr 21, 2009 | 09:54 PM
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hmmm i rather be boosted if i was an auto that have nitrous.. You can add a transmission cooler pretty cheap.. Tops horsepower though will only be like 250 whp.. if your lucky
Old Apr 21, 2009 | 10:01 PM
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Boosted in an auto...thumbs down.

You can make nearly as much power with nitrous than a turbo in an auto and you'll still be as close to n/a as possible.

I guess it's a matter of preference. If you don't know what you're doing, don't have a ton of shops and don't want to do a whole lot of maintenance and keep your eye on a lot of variables then nitrous fits your style much better than a turbo. The turbo has a lot of variables and while nitrous has some it doesn't have as many. Failure to do your homework and keep your eye on any variable or failure within the f/i system can cause immediate disaster.
Old Apr 21, 2009 | 10:04 PM
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bolt ons dont do s***. If you want performance dont be in such a hurry. You have 800, thats a good start in saving up for boost. I had Exhaust/intake/s-pipe and i recently took them off the car and went back to stock. The car feels exactly the same. Especially if ur auto, bolt ons will only make your car a noisebox without any go. You might make 160whp with i/h/e and in that time ull drop over a grand for like 10 hp. SAVE FOR BOOOOOOST it gets you laid. Nitrous is ok i guess but over time the initial cost of the kit and the cost to fill the bottle up once a week will soon add up to be that turbo kit or S/c. Do research on it, i swear i see this thread like once a day on this forum and it drives me nuts. I wish I knew what i know now about the bolt ons for the tC so I woudlnt have wasted my money it it in the first place. Learn from someone who has been there and done that. If you want a loud car that goes no where go ahead and waste ur money, if you want power and a sweet sound, save your money and go F/I.

Whats better then the sound of a spooling turbo and a BOV?
or
The look of the FMIC?
or
The look of the 3 gauges on your a pillar
or
The look of a hot a** b**** layin in your bed or sitting in your passengers seat.

And dont think because ur auto Turbo kits are pointless. B/c autos never drop boost in between shifts so dont let that ur auto discourage u like it does many people.

But for gods sake, Do not go strictly with the bolt on route, ur wasting your money.
Old Apr 21, 2009 | 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by ecko04
Boosted in an auto...thumbs down.

You can make nearly as much power with nitrous than a turbo in an auto and you'll still be as close to n/a as possible.

I guess it's a matter of preference. If you don't know what you're doing, don't have a ton of shops and don't want to do a whole lot of maintenance and keep your eye on a lot of variables then nitrous fits your style much better than a turbo. The turbo has a lot of variables and while nitrous has some it doesn't have as many. Failure to do your homework and keep your eye on any variable or failure within the f/i system can cause immediate disaster.
Why is boost in an auto thumbs down? You dont loose any boost in between shifts. Even with nitrous if you dont keep an eye on the smallest variables bang there goes your motor. Go turbo and make sure you get a good tune. You will be fine. It will be pretty close to the maintenance on a stock tC. Just have the necessary gauges to monitor your car. And the last time I checked you can make 240ishwhp with the auto which is alot more then the 130ishwhp it lays down now. And if you want power why would you wanna be close to stock as possible. Its either you want power or you want to be stock. The grey area in between is pretty much stupid, thats just like half a**ing something in your daily life. If you want power do it right.


And btw I drive manual cars, and im not biased towards autos at all. I actually am not into them at all. A plus to them is that in between shifts you keep a consistent boost level. And with nitrous i would advise to use the button to manually spray b/c if you set it on full throttle you will be spraying nitrous in between shifts. You will run very lean between shifts.
Old Apr 21, 2009 | 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by stevejohns29
TRD exhaust sounds good but no power gains from it.. Look into a catback at least.
true true. id get an exhaust headers and pulleys
Old Apr 21, 2009 | 10:53 PM
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Save the money and boost, Get the Dezod kit made for Autos comes with the tranny cooler, and if you replace with a better torque converter and valve upgrade inthe tranny you can break 300
Old Apr 21, 2009 | 10:56 PM
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buy my turbo kit!
Old Apr 21, 2009 | 11:02 PM
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I personally enjoy the reliability of the engine in stock (or close to stock) form. Yes, you can reliably boost and get more hp than any n/a setup out there. It'll take a lot more attention to detail to keep your car running and any way you cut it, modified for performance will cut down on your engine life (unless you manage to keep your foot out of it).

Money wasted on a car with bolt ons? Probably, but if we were into saving money we wouldn't modify these things.

In the end it all depends on what you want to do with your car. If big power is what you're looking for, definitely save for boost. If you want it to be noisy, go get that exhaust.

If you want reliability, don't mess with what's already there!

As for boost getting you laid . . . I got into cars far after I got married . . . might be worth a shot?

Good luck, and be happy with whatever paths you choose!
Old Apr 21, 2009 | 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Ukno0003
bolt ons dont do s***. If you want performance dont be in such a hurry. You have 800, thats a good start in saving up for boost. I had Exhaust/intake/s-pipe and i recently took them off the car and went back to stock. The car feels exactly the same. Especially if ur auto, bolt ons will only make your car a noisebox without any go. You might make 160whp with i/h/e and in that time ull drop over a grand for like 10 hp. SAVE FOR BOOOOOOST it gets you laid. Nitrous is ok i guess but over time the initial cost of the kit and the cost to fill the bottle up once a week will soon add up to be that turbo kit or S/c. Do research on it, i swear i see this thread like once a day on this forum and it drives me nuts. I wish I knew what i know now about the bolt ons for the tC so I woudlnt have wasted my money it it in the first place. Learn from someone who has been there and done that. If you want a loud car that goes no where go ahead and waste ur money, if you want power and a sweet sound, save your money and go F/I.

Whats better then the sound of a spooling turbo and a BOV?
or
The look of the FMIC?
or
The look of the 3 gauges on your a pillar
or
The look of a hot a** b**** layin in your bed or sitting in your passengers seat.

And dont think because ur auto Turbo kits are pointless. B/c autos never drop boost in between shifts so dont let that ur auto discourage u like it does many people.

But for gods sake, Do not go strictly with the bolt on route, ur wasting your money.
yea turbo sounds good but how much does a turbo go for...n which is good turbo for auto?
Old Apr 21, 2009 | 11:14 PM
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An '05-'06 TRD s/c would be the cheapest route you can take.
Old Apr 21, 2009 | 11:22 PM
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Honestly the only real reason to add IHPE are for if you take your car to shows and it details out the drive trane a lot better,if you want more power you need either a faster car or a turbo and about $5000 more to keep it going.

Header will make the TRD can sound so bad you will cry.......

so then you have to add $150 in resonators and weld time to make it sound decent,then you willhagte that and end up buying a new can to find one that sounds good again,then another,and soon your $800 is gone and car still no faster.

So really unless you wnat to take car and put it in shows take the money abnd put it to use in funner areas like stereo or wheels and tires or suspension,really it is not really possible to make tC faster shor t of boost of some sort.
Old Apr 21, 2009 | 11:24 PM
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use racing fuel :D
Old Apr 21, 2009 | 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Ukno0003
bolt ons dont do s***. If you want performance dont be in such a hurry. You have 800, thats a good start in saving up for boost. I had Exhaust/intake/s-pipe and i recently took them off the car and went back to stock. The car feels exactly the same. Especially if ur auto, bolt ons will only make your car a noisebox without any go. You might make 160whp with i/h/e and in that time ull drop over a grand for like 10 hp. SAVE FOR BOOOOOOST it gets you laid. Nitrous is ok i guess but over time the initial cost of the kit and the cost to fill the bottle up once a week will soon add up to be that turbo kit or S/c. Do research on it, i swear i see this thread like once a day on this forum and it drives me nuts. I wish I knew what i know now about the bolt ons for the tC so I woudlnt have wasted my money it it in the first place. Learn from someone who has been there and done that. If you want a loud car that goes no where go ahead and waste ur money, if you want power and a sweet sound, save your money and go F/I.

Whats better then the sound of a spooling turbo and a BOV?
or
The look of the FMIC?
or
The look of the 3 gauges on your a pillar
or
The look of a hot a** b**** layin in your bed or sitting in your passengers seat.

And dont think because ur auto Turbo kits are pointless. B/c autos never drop boost in between shifts so dont let that ur auto discourage u like it does many people.

But for gods sake, Do not go strictly with the bolt on route, ur wasting your money.
(emphasis mine)

Most of what you're saying makes me never want to have anything turbo'd. Ever. Especially if you really believe any of that.
Old Apr 21, 2009 | 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by TJxxAZUL
yea turbo sounds good but how much does a turbo go for...n which is good turbo for auto?

The kit itself is going to run you 3-4k then you need engine management which would cost a few hundred more. You can always piece a kit together though. Im sure you could put a kit together for pretty cheap with quality parts. I would talk to Paul Dezod, I have no personal experience with turbo kits for the tC (I do have experience with turbos though with my supra). But paul has a good reputation with boosting tC's. Hes the person I would go to if I were boosting my tC.
Old Apr 22, 2009 | 12:00 AM
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Most of what you're saying makes me never want to have anything turbo'd. Ever. Especially if you really believe any of that.
Dude its called joking around, chill out man. Have you never seen the shirts or the posters and stuff that say "boost gets you laid"? Anyone who actually believes that to the extent to buy a snail to put under your hood is an idiot. And most of what I said? Im sorry You highlighted 2 sentences out of the entire long post that had no seriousness that you felt like made my entire post worthless. Maybe you should take a look at the rest of that post. Or if you can tell me your Naturally aspirated tC sounds better and is more fun to drive then a turbo tC, then I guess your right u will never want to drive anything turbo'd.
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Dezod S1 Kit for an Auto. Save like I am. Haha'.
Definitely nothing wrong with a Boosted Auto, and as far as topping out at 250whp, that's with nothing but a Cooler.
The highest you can probably hit with a tC Transmission, Fully Built that is, is about 400whp.. but that's another $4k roughly.
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Originally Posted by Ukno0003
Originally Posted by ack154
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Most of what you're saying makes me never want to have anything turbo'd. Ever. Especially if you really believe any of that.
Dude its called joking around, chill out man. Have you never seen the shirts or the posters and stuff that say "boost gets you laid"? Anyone who actually believes that to the extent to buy a snail to put under your hood is an idiot. And most of what I said? Im sorry You highlighted 2 sentences out of the entire long post that had no seriousness that you felt like made my entire post worthless. Maybe you should take a look at the rest of that post. Or if you can tell me your Naturally aspirated tC sounds better and is more fun to drive then a turbo tC, then I guess your right u will never want to drive anything turbo'd.
The emphasis of those couple sentences outweighs the rest of the actual info in that post. Whether or not you were actually kidding, THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY BELIEVE THAT.

That's why I pointed it out.
Old Apr 22, 2009 | 01:00 AM
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Originally Posted by ack154
Originally Posted by Ukno0003
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Most of what you're saying makes me never want to have anything turbo'd. Ever. Especially if you really believe any of that.
Dude its called joking around, chill out man. Have you never seen the shirts or the posters and stuff that say "boost gets you laid"? Anyone who actually believes that to the extent to buy a snail to put under your hood is an idiot. And most of what I said? Im sorry You highlighted 2 sentences out of the entire long post that had no seriousness that you felt like made my entire post worthless. Maybe you should take a look at the rest of that post. Or if you can tell me your Naturally aspirated tC sounds better and is more fun to drive then a turbo tC, then I guess your right u will never want to drive anything turbo'd.
The emphasis of those couple sentences outweighs the rest of the actual info in that post. Whether or not you were actually kidding, THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY BELIEVE THAT.

That's why I pointed it out.

sorry for the confusion and I see where your coming from. But anyone who is mature enough and smart enough to work on and have a snail under the hood will know that it is not true. The 17 year olds who want boost because the girl next to them in their algebra class thinks its hot would probably think its true. Will take that sentence literally. And save money for boost thinking he can get some but then realizing even when he is boosted the girl will still want no part of him. Then he as well will figure out that it is just a joke and a common saying.
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Originally Posted by kuo34
An '05-'06 TRD s/c would be the cheapest route you can take.
S/C + auto = complete failure. It only puts down 156.



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