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TC Weapon R Intake
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Originally Posted by lvnurs9
I can't believe that I never read this thread!! I realize just about all that can be said has been, but this is what I have to say in response to what I have read here:
1. Thanks for advertising my car! She is quite the talk I see.
2. Price- check around. mcgeorge, partznet, TRD....do your own comparison and if you think it's too expensive, don't buy it.
3. The dyno probably could have been more organized, but it was a small shop and 30 minutes before they closed. We wanted to give you the results. I am sorry that my car is slower then all of yours, but either way, it's the difference in HP that matters. You're car may run 200HP for all I care, but this intake will give it a 13HP gain.
4. It's a 5 speed. I don't drive automatics.
5. This "piece" isn't simple. Actually quite complicated. And what difference does it make where the sensor is? That's about where stock lies.
6. Sorry the dyno sheet is hard to read, but it's not my fault the shops printer ran out of color ink.
7. As far as the drop in torque...we'll have to see what happens when we run it again. Could have just been a faulty run.
8. This was the PROTOTYPE. Once it has been perfected they will have them mass produced and there will be no weld marks. But until then, if you want one, they are being hand made for your convenience. It's better then waiting until January.
9. The 2 intakes on my site ARE different. There were 2 designs and we test fitted to see which one fit best. Obviously one didn't fit.
10. If you look at the WR pic (not on my car) you will see they extended the pipe. It doesn't extend up front, but it's a lil longer then mine.
All I really have to say is that I think it's rediculous to read all this crap. I have never seen so much hype about a product. It's not even new! Weapon R had been making intakes for all cars for a long time, including this one. There is NOTHING stating that this intake is bad or blah blah blah. Until there is, I say keep your opinions and accusations to yourself. It's your car, do what yo want. No one is making you buy anything.
1. Thanks for advertising my car! She is quite the talk I see.
2. Price- check around. mcgeorge, partznet, TRD....do your own comparison and if you think it's too expensive, don't buy it.
3. The dyno probably could have been more organized, but it was a small shop and 30 minutes before they closed. We wanted to give you the results. I am sorry that my car is slower then all of yours, but either way, it's the difference in HP that matters. You're car may run 200HP for all I care, but this intake will give it a 13HP gain.
4. It's a 5 speed. I don't drive automatics.
5. This "piece" isn't simple. Actually quite complicated. And what difference does it make where the sensor is? That's about where stock lies.
6. Sorry the dyno sheet is hard to read, but it's not my fault the shops printer ran out of color ink.
7. As far as the drop in torque...we'll have to see what happens when we run it again. Could have just been a faulty run.
8. This was the PROTOTYPE. Once it has been perfected they will have them mass produced and there will be no weld marks. But until then, if you want one, they are being hand made for your convenience. It's better then waiting until January.
9. The 2 intakes on my site ARE different. There were 2 designs and we test fitted to see which one fit best. Obviously one didn't fit.
10. If you look at the WR pic (not on my car) you will see they extended the pipe. It doesn't extend up front, but it's a lil longer then mine.
All I really have to say is that I think it's rediculous to read all this crap. I have never seen so much hype about a product. It's not even new! Weapon R had been making intakes for all cars for a long time, including this one. There is NOTHING stating that this intake is bad or blah blah blah. Until there is, I say keep your opinions and accusations to yourself. It's your car, do what yo want. No one is making you buy anything.
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The ones being made now are NOT prototypes but yes a set were hand made so that they would be available immediately. They do have the weld marks. I can find out how long it will be until they are made (mass produced I mean) without the marks. I can let you know tomorrow.
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From: Los Angeles
Originally Posted by lvnurs9
The ones being made now are NOT prototypes but yes a set were hand made so that they would be available immediately. They do have the weld marks. I can find out how long it will be until they are made (mass produced I mean) without the marks. I can let you know tomorrow.
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Ok. As of right now, they cannot make them without the weld marks because of the inner pipe. They are working on figuring that out now, so he doesn't have a time frame.
Just so you guys know...if anyone can get their tC to WeaponR, they want to make a cold air box...but they need a car. If you are interested, contact them.
Just so you guys know...if anyone can get their tC to WeaponR, they want to make a cold air box...but they need a car. If you are interested, contact them.
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Originally Posted by Harman
Ray,
I have a few questions that you may be able to answer. According to the picture above, seem it seems to me that the cross section area of the inner pipe is bigger than the "outer" cross sectional area (the ring).
Since Area x Velocity = Constant, the velocity of the inner flow will be lower than the velocity of the outer flow. Seems like the reverse is true, that the outer airflow is contributing by pulling in more air from the higher pressure inner flow. In addition, it seems to me the collision of the two air flows at the end of the pipe will actually increase the turbulence instead of reducing it. We are talking about high speed flow which pull in more air and enchancing mixing. Won't that contribute to more turbulence?
I have a few questions that you may be able to answer. According to the picture above, seem it seems to me that the cross section area of the inner pipe is bigger than the "outer" cross sectional area (the ring).
Since Area x Velocity = Constant, the velocity of the inner flow will be lower than the velocity of the outer flow. Seems like the reverse is true, that the outer airflow is contributing by pulling in more air from the higher pressure inner flow. In addition, it seems to me the collision of the two air flows at the end of the pipe will actually increase the turbulence instead of reducing it. We are talking about high speed flow which pull in more air and enchancing mixing. Won't that contribute to more turbulence?
"The SW Concept"
" To get the most performance out of an engine, one needs to maximize the amount of air that can get into and out of an engine. Since there is a limited amount of time that the intake valve is open on each engine revolution, the goal is to get as much air into the cylinder while the door (intake valve) is open. As a result, the velocity at which the flow moves is critical to performance.
A reality with any flow is that the velocity of the flow at a stationary solide surface is zero. The stationary solid surface of a conventional intake system is the inside diameter of the tube. If we look at the velocity profile of a conventional intake, we'd find that the highest velocity flow is dead center of the intake pipe. This doesn't sound all that bad until you consider that the throttle shaft and plate are dead center. The highest velocity flow must lose some speed to turn around the throttle shaft before if enters the intake manifold.
The Weapon R SW concept is to provide two velocity profiles instead of one toward the throttle body. The outer profile has its peak velocities at a distance midway between the inner and outer walls, while the inner profile has its peak velocity dead center of the inner pipe as a conventional intake system would. The purpose is to increase the velocity of the flow in the areas that do not come in contact with the throttle shaft."
The cross sectional area of the outer path is "smaller", but it does not have a uniform center, as the inner pipe does. Instead, you would have to look at the outer section as multiple, small diameter pathways, each with its own dead center. Now ideally that would make for super high velocities in each small pathway, but you have no divider between each one. This causes turbulence as each "pathway" collides with the one next to it, causing the velocity to be reduced. The main objective is to have the inner pathway increase the speed of the outer pathway. The turbulence when the two paths meet is negligable because the inner path causes a vortex..spiraling the two paths together, and since they are on the same plane, they will not have the same turbulent effects as the side by side paths would.
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Actually, AEM's V2 intake uses sound wave technology, which is entirely different. Their intake takes the natural frequency of the flowing air to increase flow. The SW intake uses air pressure and velocity technology to increase flow.
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The V2 does use dual pipes, their smaller pipe comes into the larger pipe a tuned distance, to harness sound waves. The Secret Weapon pipes have the smaller pipe running the length of the intake, using air velocity science. Though the two designs look similar, they are in fact, entirely different designs and technology. I've explained how our technology works, if you need an explanation on AEM's V2, well...you should know where to find it. =)
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I bought it and I love it. Power is still the say low. but when I hit 3,000 it pulls soo hard compare to stock. The gain depending on baseline is between 7.5-9.5 and torque is 3.7-7.7, The average baseline I have seen showed 138 hp and 147 ft lbs of tq. All and all it is a really good intake. I can get a cold air box for it or ram air kit for it and gain even more. The Weapon R Secret Weapon intake fu-ken rocks.
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Originally Posted by toyota_scion_tc
I bought it and I love it. Power is still the say low. but when I hit 3,000 it pulls soo hard compare to stock. The gain depending on baseline is between 7.5-9.5 and torque is 3.7-7.7, The average baseline I have seen showed 138 hp and 147 ft lbs of tq. All and all it is a really good intake. I can get a cold air box for it or ram air kit for it and gain even more. The Weapon R Secret Weapon intake fu-ken rocks.
Do you have the Stock Exhaust??
haha I'm just curious if it will have that cool sound even though i have the Stock Exhaust. Ok thanks for your input
i got the ram air kit for the sec weap, and it's awesome. now all i need to do is get Ray to give me the damn cold air box. i have the trd, and combined, the engine sounds mean as hell. before i put the trd exhaust on, the intake alone sounded nice when you were over 3000 rpms, but with the exhaust, it's on a totally different level. as toyota scion said, you can feel the pull-without a doubt. i'm gonna post some pics of the intake with the ram air kit from the bottom where i mounted it after the weekend.
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^^^^^Nice, i'm curious about that Ram Air Kit with that storm shield thing as well. Where did you buy that by the way???
I'm not sure if CreativeConcepts carry that accessory. HmMmM
oh yah, if you have that Ram Air Kit, doesn't that mean you can't have the cold air box then??
I'm not sure if CreativeConcepts carry that accessory. HmMmM
oh yah, if you have that Ram Air Kit, doesn't that mean you can't have the cold air box then??
the cold air box isn't out yet-you have to take off the ram air kit i think. you could just undo the hose from the ram air to the filter if you want to put on the cold air box, rather than removing it just to use the box. the weapon r isn't a cold air, it's like a short ram-i didn't want to get a cold air intake because by me, the roads suck and get covered in puddles everytime it rains or snows. i didn't want to deal with having the filter soaked everytime i pulled in and out of my driveway(long island roads-around me at least incline in the middle, so there's a problem with getting huge puddles right at the front or your driveway)
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What about the problems with the secret weapon intake? As per peoples posts. Or are they simply gonna let the customers trouble shoot the problem along with the purchase? Does the intake come with any warnings or troubleshooting. i.e. this intake may cause blah blah blah Maf sensor blah blah blah. ?
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Originally Posted by TimmyT
What about the problems with the secret weapon intake? As per peoples posts. Or are they simply gonna let the customers trouble shoot the problem along with the purchase? Does the intake come with any warnings or troubleshooting. i.e. this intake may cause blah blah blah Maf sensor blah blah blah. ?