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06-23-2009, 10:09 PM
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okay but can you explain what you are doing to the signal with the HAC unit?
maybe this entire 'brain' just adds a DC offset to the APP signal and makes the car feel more responsivei and you're charging 300 bucks for something anyone can throw togeter without a fancy box for 10 bucks
maybe this entire 'brain' just adds a DC offset to the APP signal and makes the car feel more responsivei and you're charging 300 bucks for something anyone can throw togeter without a fancy box for 10 bucks
06-23-2009, 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by mike6789k
maybe this entire 'brain' just adds a DC offset to the APP signal and makes the car feel more responsivei and you're charging 300 bucks for something anyone can throw togeter without a fancy box for 10 bucks
Come on, if it was that EZ you already have one right?
06-24-2009, 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Rob_DESCENDANT
Originally Posted by mike6789k
maybe this entire 'brain' just adds a DC offset to the APP signal and makes the car feel more responsivei and you're charging 300 bucks for something anyone can throw togeter without a fancy box for 10 bucks
Come on, if it was that EZ you already have one right?
06-24-2009, 06:00 PM
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this is a great part but i think that 350 is a bit high, especially for this exact one. it seems like "brm" is a company that makes these controllers and word deescendant just went in and made a harness to make it work for the tc. i am in no way trying to bash on anyone here, rather i am trying to make a point.
you can get the blitz throttle controller for the same price and the blitz one has a digital display which i think it alot more appealing. and blitz has been around for a while. if the price of this was about 100 bucks less i would be all over it. but if its going to cost the same as the blitz, im going to go with blitz. just my .02
you can get the blitz throttle controller for the same price and the blitz one has a digital display which i think it alot more appealing. and blitz has been around for a while. if the price of this was about 100 bucks less i would be all over it. but if its going to cost the same as the blitz, im going to go with blitz. just my .02
06-25-2009, 02:22 AM
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ah i didnt know blitz had one of these... at least they provide charts of the theory behind the modification of the signal
http://www.velocityfactor.net/wwwroo...idproduct=3604
this kind of 'controller' is NOT worth $300 and can easily be made by anyone with some knowledge of DC circuits HA!
http://www.velocityfactor.net/wwwroo...idproduct=3604
this kind of 'controller' is NOT worth $300 and can easily be made by anyone with some knowledge of DC circuits HA!
06-25-2009, 10:23 AM
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also, does anyone really think its worth 300+ dollars to change how the car thinks where your foot is differently...
i mean cmon.. just press the pedal in a different way to replicate what this box does to your car and thats FREE
i mean cmon.. just press the pedal in a different way to replicate what this box does to your car and thats FREE
06-25-2009, 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by mike6789k
also, does anyone really think its worth 300+ dollars to change how the car thinks where your foot is differently...
i mean cmon.. just press the pedal in a different way to replicate what this box does to your car and thats FREE
i mean cmon.. just press the pedal in a different way to replicate what this box does to your car and thats FREE
Good luck,
06-25-2009, 07:07 PM
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I may have to look into picking one of these up.
Sure, someone on here might be able to build one, but it isn't going to be plug and play and it isn't going to be tried and tested. With World Racing, you know you are getting tried and tested quality products when you buy anything from them.
Sure, someone on here might be able to build one, but it isn't going to be plug and play and it isn't going to be tried and tested. With World Racing, you know you are getting tried and tested quality products when you buy anything from them.
06-25-2009, 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by mike6789k
also, does anyone really think its worth 300+ dollars to change how the car thinks where your foot is differently...
i mean cmon.. just press the pedal in a different way to replicate what this box does to your car and thats FREE
i mean cmon.. just press the pedal in a different way to replicate what this box does to your car and thats FREE
You can complain and question it all you want, but it works and until you try it you shouldn't knock it. This product is a good Japanese product and is well worth the money. You have to pay to get good quality products and now a days it is hard to find quality. World Motorsports is one of the few companies out there that actually uses there products on there cars. I have other products from them and they have all been grade A and they provide great customer service. Bottom line is these guys know what there doing, they have great ideas and make some off the best products out there for the tC.
06-26-2009, 12:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Iowa_TC1
Originally Posted by mike6789k
also, does anyone really think its worth 300+ dollars to change how the car thinks where your foot is differently...
i mean cmon.. just press the pedal in a different way to replicate what this box does to your car and thats FREE
i mean cmon.. just press the pedal in a different way to replicate what this box does to your car and thats FREE
You can complain and question it all you want, but it works and until you try it you shouldn't knock it. This product is a good Japanese product and is well worth the money. You have to pay to get good quality products and now a days it is hard to find quality. World Motorsports is one of the few companies out there that actually uses there products on there cars. I have other products from them and they have all been grade A and they provide great customer service. Bottom line is these guys know what there doing, they have great ideas and make some off the best products out there for the tC.
you press the pedal in your car and it changes a resistance between some wires, the car can only understand a certain range of input voltages as the signal to open the TB plate a certain amount.. this box takes in the signal from the pedal, modifies it, sends it to the ECU to 'trick' it into thinking the pedal is somewhere else... for THREE HUNDRED DOLLARS
now, how about you just actually PRESS THE PEDAL TO THE ACTUAL POSITION and get THE SAME DAMN 'RESPONSE' FOR FREE...
f*ck you people can be stupid sometimes.. dont fall for gimmicks like this
06-26-2009, 01:07 AM
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f*ck you people can be stupid sometimes.. dont fall for gimmicks like this[/quote]
Sure seems like you just want to bash our WORLD-Racing & DESCENDANT products. Do you have any 1st hand experience with our product?
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f*ck you people can be stupid sometimes.. dont fall for gimmicks like this
[/quote]Sure seems like you just want to bash our WORLD-Racing & DESCENDANT products. Do you have any 1st hand experience with our product?
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06-26-2009, 02:18 AM
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Originally Posted by mike6789k
dude...
you press the pedal in your car and it changes a resistance between some wires, the car can only understand a certain range of input voltages as the signal to open the TB plate a certain amount.. this box takes in the signal from the pedal, modifies it, sends it to the ECU to 'trick' it into thinking the pedal is somewhere else... for THREE HUNDRED DOLLARS
now, how about you just actually PRESS THE PEDAL TO THE ACTUAL POSITION and get THE SAME DAMN 'RESPONSE' FOR FREE...
f*ck you people can be stupid sometimes.. dont fall for gimmicks like this
you press the pedal in your car and it changes a resistance between some wires, the car can only understand a certain range of input voltages as the signal to open the TB plate a certain amount.. this box takes in the signal from the pedal, modifies it, sends it to the ECU to 'trick' it into thinking the pedal is somewhere else... for THREE HUNDRED DOLLARS
now, how about you just actually PRESS THE PEDAL TO THE ACTUAL POSITION and get THE SAME DAMN 'RESPONSE' FOR FREE...
f*ck you people can be stupid sometimes.. dont fall for gimmicks like this
06-26-2009, 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by ack154
Originally Posted by mike6789k
dude...
you press the pedal in your car and it changes a resistance between some wires, the car can only understand a certain range of input voltages as the signal to open the TB plate a certain amount.. this box takes in the signal from the pedal, modifies it, sends it to the ECU to 'trick' it into thinking the pedal is somewhere else... for THREE HUNDRED DOLLARS
now, how about you just actually PRESS THE PEDAL TO THE ACTUAL POSITION and get THE SAME DAMN 'RESPONSE' FOR FREE...
f*ck you people can be stupid sometimes.. dont fall for gimmicks like this
you press the pedal in your car and it changes a resistance between some wires, the car can only understand a certain range of input voltages as the signal to open the TB plate a certain amount.. this box takes in the signal from the pedal, modifies it, sends it to the ECU to 'trick' it into thinking the pedal is somewhere else... for THREE HUNDRED DOLLARS
now, how about you just actually PRESS THE PEDAL TO THE ACTUAL POSITION and get THE SAME DAMN 'RESPONSE' FOR FREE...
f*ck you people can be stupid sometimes.. dont fall for gimmicks like this
its not a problem with the company's products.. what the ____.. i dont even know this company
just listen... ANY box that modifies the signal from the actual pedal to the ECU can only do ONE thing and that's make the car think that the pedal is somewhere else when it is actually not.
in other words, when the pedal is halfway down, this box can make the car think the pedal is floored.... IS THAT WORTH 300 DOLLARS TO YOU PEOPLE!?!?
jUST PRESS THE PEDAL ALL THE WAY DOWN!
damn.. im sure this is a fine company and they make legit products and that this box does what it claims to do.. but you have to realize that what it does is not worth buying.
THIS IS MY ADVICE TO YOU AND YOU SHOULD TAKE IT BECAUSE IF YOU WERE SMART YOU WOULD HAVE UNDERSTOOD IT ON YOUR OWN
(i have no problems with this company, i have never dealt with them or seen any of their prodcuts)
06-26-2009, 07:26 PM
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and this isnt my 'opinion'
i am stating the facts and limitations of this sort of controller and making them as clear as possible for non-engineer types so that you guys understand that it is WORTHLESS
i am stating the facts and limitations of this sort of controller and making them as clear as possible for non-engineer types so that you guys understand that it is WORTHLESS
06-26-2009, 07:29 PM
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here guys i found this post on another forum regarding "throttle controllers" ...
thanks engifineer i couldnt have put it better myself!
The line between this "high science" and placebo effect is where my concern is on this item. And being that electronics engineering and technology are areas I carry two degrees in.. I can speak from the science side (as a disclaimer so I dont get the mouthy talk of being ignorant ).
The ECU reads a signal from a pot on the throttle control (the pedal) then, through its process controls the throttle body. This means that a system like this can only do one of two things:
A) Exaggerate or dull the response from the pedal to the ECU
B) Exaggerate or dull the response from the ECU to the throttle body
I believe the blitz does A. So while this may replace modulating your right foot a bit.. which maybe some may like, it can do nothing more than that. It is still not replacing the control system in the ECU nor the pot at the pedal.. or even the mechanical link between your foot and the pot, so it cant read your mind or make anything in the system react more quickly.
The ECU reads a signal from a pot on the throttle control (the pedal) then, through its process controls the throttle body. This means that a system like this can only do one of two things:
A) Exaggerate or dull the response from the pedal to the ECU
B) Exaggerate or dull the response from the ECU to the throttle body
I believe the blitz does A. So while this may replace modulating your right foot a bit.. which maybe some may like, it can do nothing more than that. It is still not replacing the control system in the ECU nor the pot at the pedal.. or even the mechanical link between your foot and the pot, so it cant read your mind or make anything in the system react more quickly.