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Old Dec 17, 2009 | 04:26 AM
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Analog or logger and o2 input?
I have where my A/F gauge connects then three other wires that are folded and taped
Old Dec 17, 2009 | 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Blue_TC_Man
I have where my A/F gauge connects then three other wires that are folded and taped
one of em is bound to be the logger trigger/alt cal. your lucky mang, back in the day all you got extra was the logger trigger.
Old Dec 17, 2009 | 02:25 PM
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Curious to see if it works Mike.

I know a few Honda guys did something like this back in the day. Hope it works!
Old Dec 17, 2009 | 03:36 PM
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Curious to see if it works Mike.

I know a few Honda guys did something like this back in the day. Hope it works!

well this is how your aem ems works.. Logs voltage as a form of knock. So technically this should work the same..

I have the 05-06 knock sensor wire color..

Anyone have the 07+ knock sensor wire color?
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Originally Posted by crush02342002
one of em is bound to be the logger trigger/alt cal. your lucky mang, back in the day all you got extra was the logger trigger.
good to know, its probably because i sent it back to them 4 times before I got a working one
Old Dec 17, 2009 | 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ElevationTC
well this is how your aem ems works.. Logs voltage as a form of knock. So technically this should work the same..

I have the 05-06 knock sensor wire color..

Anyone have the 07+ knock sensor wire color?
Yes in theory a lot of things work, but practicality is a different story. The EMS is a much more sophisticated piece with much more logic for control over the FIC and datalogging capabilities as well. In theory, your premise should work, but only time will tell.

Kind of like the theory that the 08+ xB should use all of the tC turbo kits parts and such, but even that has a twist due to chassis changes. Ya know Mike?
Old Dec 17, 2009 | 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by paul_dezod
Yes in theory a lot of things work, but practicality is a different story. The EMS is a much more sophisticated piece with much more logic for control over the FIC and datalogging capabilities as well. In theory, your premise should work, but only time will tell.

Kind of like the theory that the 08+ xB should use all of the tC turbo kits parts and such, but even that has a twist due to chassis changes. Ya know Mike?

true.. I will find out tonight.. Do you have the wire color for knock sensor 07+ ?
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Also, don't forget that the EMS can datalog up to 250 samples/sec on the internal logger for ultimate granularity and true knock sensor capability. The FIC can only datalog as fast as the PC it's connected to. So transient throttle quick dets can be hard to spot with certain computers.

Let's also mention the fact that knock voltage is not universal all accross the board. One engine may make more "engine noise" than other due to setup, size of the turbo etc which may need more or less filtering on a knock signal than another engine.

The knock voltage curve in the EMS is to be established running conservative no-knock timing and a decenltly safe AFR for the fuel used and setup, a complete RPM run should occur with full throttle and the knock sensor should be logged. Once it's logged with a positive ascertian that no knock occured, a knock curve can be made based off of the datalog of the knock sensor's voltage.
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I have been thinking about how to do this, and all of a sudden this thread pops up WIN! I'd buy it. It would make my life so much easier, and be a valuable tool.
Old Dec 17, 2009 | 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by ElevationTC
true.. I will find out tonight.. Do you have the wire color for knock sensor 07+ ?
E8-29 (KNK1) - E8-30 (EKNK) R - G Knock sensor Maintain engine speed at 4000 rpm after warming up engine

HINT:
• The wavelength becomes shorter as the engine rpm
increases.
• The waveforms and amplitudes displayed differ
slightly depending on the vehicle.
Old Dec 17, 2009 | 08:36 PM
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Sounds like a great idea, but I don't believe you can tap a sensor that easily. I know we can't in the HVAC world. I think you would need to wire the sensor into a separate analog input, map it to an output and then wire to the factory harness? Does the FIC have outputs?
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so............? update?
Old Dec 24, 2009 | 10:34 PM
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FREE BEER!!!.... Tomorrow.
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epic!
Old Dec 25, 2009 | 12:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Hix
FREE BEER!!!.... Tomorrow.

WHAT, FREE BEER!!!!!!....lol...too bad i have to go with the fam to dinner someplace....i knew they would pull that on me, besides i dont have anyone to take me home if i get smashed.


(i know its a joke...lol...im talking about the invite though)
Old Dec 25, 2009 | 04:14 PM
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tired of waiting so ill test this myse3lf today
Old Dec 25, 2009 | 07:06 PM
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im too busy with other stuff to be messing with this so even if it works i wont be able to try it out myself for atleast a couple of weeks
Old Dec 25, 2009 | 08:32 PM
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Yeah i'm definetly interested here...
Old Dec 25, 2009 | 09:05 PM
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its raining out and 22 degrees so i might not get to it till tomorrow but i will be on top of this tomorrow if i cant tonight



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