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Old May 24, 2007 | 01:10 AM
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ok so i didnt want to be THAT new guy who asks a question thats been run in the ground but i did search and didnt find much of what i was lookin for. so with thta said, on a stock motor, what kind of boost level or hp level can i get to without killing the motor, and also is there something available that you can have like a couple different tunes on your motor and maybe during the week have it at like 5 psi and on saturday night around 10 so i can ____ off trans am's?
Old May 24, 2007 | 01:21 AM
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Stock motor will hold 300WHP just fine. Boost usually dosnt kill motors, bad tunes do.

Ive been running 7 PSI daily, and 14 PSI on the weekends since febuary. no problems.
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i was wondering on the hp level cause im sure yall have seen em too but theres a couple vids up of a dude with stock internals doing 400 ish on a dyno,. probably not the best for longevity, but, i figured if it was like a weekend thing it might be a lil better, and so they do make a system or ecu or something to have multiple tunes at teh push of a button?
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to get 400...it's gonna be high boost without internals which is not a great idea because u can grenade ur engine easily. I don't know about having multiple tunes at the push of a button, but with a boost controller u can adjust the boost with the push of a button
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You can have different boost settings at the push of a buttonL

I have the AEM TRUBOOST, it has 3.

Wastegate / a/ b

Wastegat - runs off the wastegate spring 5 , 6, 7, pounds

then a - set it to whatever, mines set to 10

then b - set it to whatever, mines set to 14

enjoy!
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Old May 25, 2007 | 12:24 AM
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What about without any engine/fuel management? What kind of power max could a engine with stock internals handle?
Old May 25, 2007 | 04:41 AM
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Well a lot of guys can make 400 WHP with race gas. On street 93 octane gas the limit is between 300-350 WHP which varies depending on what turbo and of course a standalone is required to do this safely. As for boost pressure, it varies depending on the car, the tune and the turbo used and setup. Somewhere in the 10-11 lbs is probably the limits on most turbo setups.
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thanks for the responses fellas, so this brings me to my next question, would i be better off spending the money first on forged rods and pistons and then wait for the turbo so i can go past 350 or just get the turbo first, wht do low compression pistons do if theres no turbo on em, i know you loose hp but how much really and what does a stand alone cost, i think theyre not cheap... and is the turbonetics kit really the way to go, im sure they have theyre pros and cons like the rest the other kit i was lookin at was the zpi. thanks again.
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if you are building your motor, the Turbonetics kit is NOT right for you. WAY small turbo and IC. How much power are you looking for? If you get the right kit you can make 340+ WHP on pump gas with the stock motor. No need to build if that is what you are looking for.
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hmm well i guess its "good enough" at 350, i just figure after drivin on it for a while ill be like hmm wish i could boost some more, and then if i need internals anyways ill just go as high as i can before like my transmission poops itself, idk basically if i cant get over 350 with stock internals then id be lookin to get into the 500 to 600 hp range if i have to upgrade anyways, which was gonna bring me to my next question being can you get too big of a turbo kit i know i wouldnt be able to boost to its full potential for a lil bit but can you go too big so that when i do upgrade the motor i can just like jump to around 500 ish/// sorry if i was rambling.
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oh nother quick question, what kind of people are you beating wiht lets say 350 hp, i mean i guess itd be cool if i were playing with some v8 cars, as long as im faster than most of hte hondas and mitsu;s id be alright with that for a good while.
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If your thinking of putting out numbers like that, you need to look at a different kit. Something with the option to go up to a stage 3. Turbo Toyotas has an equeal lenght manifold and bigger turbos, so you have alot more potential for high HP.
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ohhh cool its close to the same price with more potential, and those headers look nice.., but now id need injectors and all that, is teh fuel package thing on the site all id need for a "complete" kit how well does the e-manage stack up against others i know a lot of tc;s are running the emanage
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its good to reset the ecu about every 2 weeks because the tc seems to outlearn the tune it is holding.
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You should contact todd (turbotoyotas) Ask him whatever you want and he'll get you set up with whatever you need.
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Originally Posted by pollup
its good to reset the ecu about every 2 weeks because the tc seems to outlearn the tune it is holding.
We need to put an end to garbage like this:

THIS IS NOT A GOOD IDEA, IT IS A BAND-AID AND A BAD ONE AT THAT!

Get your car tuned with real engine management or at the very least, get the additional sensors for Emanage Blue and a real tuner who knows how to work with your setup.

Resetting the ECU only deletes "short term maps" and it only takes a few miles for these to come back. This magical "2 weeks" time frame you came up with is complete garbage.

Stop giving people who have the guts to ask questions wrong information.
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Originally Posted by Dyltone
Originally Posted by pollup
its good to reset the ecu about every 2 weeks because the tc seems to outlearn the tune it is holding.
We need to put an end to garbage like this:

THIS IS NOT A GOOD IDEA, IT IS A BAND-AID AND A BAD ONE AT THAT!

Get your car tuned with real engine management or at the very least, get the additional sensors for Emanage Blue and a real tuner who knows how to work with your setup.

Resetting the ECU only deletes "short term maps" and it only takes a few miles for these to come back. This magical "2 weeks" time frame you came up with is complete garbage.

Stop giving people who have the guts to ask questions wrong information.
its clearly not wrong information. 2 weeks is rough estimate. driving the car you can feel when it needs to be reset. on top of that please be the one to fork out 2000 dollars and by my damn stand alone. i dont need additional sensors, i dont need anything else for my car. so you please stop giving the wrong information. alot of newer cars do not get along with emanage and this kind of tuning and its something we live with. now if i was serious into racing so on so forth i would have the stand alone but honestly i bought my turbo for the blow off valve. i like the sound when im switching gears. so now considering almost ALL the turbo kits for the tc have this "BAND AID" running them, im not worried about it. by the way, keep your opinion of what others need to yourself unless your providing!!
Old May 26, 2007 | 08:17 PM
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easy fellas, dont wanna have a flame fest now...

Originally Posted by pollup
but honestly i bought my turbo for the blow off valve. i like the sound when im switching gears.


sorry its a lil funny thats a lot of money for a "cool"sound thanks for the info from both of you thats what im wanting to knwo is things like this, now it does sound a lil weird that a car looses its tune or learns it and overrides it or whatever i know a few ppl with heavily modded cars and ive never heard of a car losing a tune in two weeks, idk maybe thats imports for you, so basically i need a stand alone for the best performance thats the 1000 dollar range for the apexi one, idk if its the best but i did a quick search and how would that stack up against an e manage ultimate, i really dont knwo the difference of a stand alone or a piggyback. thanks for the resoponses

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