^^^ good point... The problem that can pop up with numbers is when you hear something like "13.99" is quick, "14.01" still has a way to go. Yes they are good for comparisons, but they can be interpreted in so many ways, i hate to see anyone use numbers as a base for what a car truly is. I'm as guilty as the next. I try to see it more as: a 14 sec car has a certain feel, same for a 12 or 10 sec car. So most won't know the diff between 14.1 & 13.9; but 14.1 & 13.1 will be noticed.
Sorry, didn't mean to ramble, and again not hitting against anyone on this. back to topic...

 

question on making a TC a sleeper: with the traction being a well known "issue" with this car, undoubtably you will need decent rubber to get any of that extra hp to the wheels. Are you running stock wheels/ride height with better rubber, or end up going drop with larger wheel/tire combo? If one could pump solid hp outta this thing without having to visibly change the suspension appearance, then you'd really have a sleeper on your hands.
thx

 

with the HKS exhaust??

 

well im going to do a drop and deff. change my tires if that helps but you would deff. have to chage tires no matter what

 

yup with the hks exhaust because i personally wanted to lose the stock one

 

hehehhe, dust off not fun, i filled a bottle cap with that stuff and stuck my finger in it, instantly frost it and i didn't have feeling in my finger for about 3 days, kinda sucked

 

um.. not doggin on ya or anything, but hks doesnt really scream sleeper, i have it and the thing is huge, i get people revin at me all the time especially when they comne from behind.... but if u can pull off the sleeper look with that good job.

 

I like the TRD springs, because most average joe's (including cops) don't tend to even notice it without seeing it beside a stock one. We would notice it of course, because we look at the cars every day. And you can definitely run on good rubber without changing the appearance of the car. One would only notice if they looked close.

 

how bout filling up a cup and dipping your gumballs in it and taking yourself out of the gene pool?

 

 

not offended just like the look of the hks and nobody tries to race me anyways

 

i like to see sleepers, they sure are surprising, but thats not my style

don't get me wrong, i'm not doggin sleepers..there sweet, to watch themsmoke some smartass off the line all the way to the end, but thats not me...im the smartass

i have an idea for a pretty decent sleeper exhaust system...take the megan exhuast, use the first 2 pieces in the kit+your stock axle-back=quiet exhaust without a cat converter....don't know if it has an HP gains, but its an idea

 

Same with the h-techs, last time I got pulled over, the cop commented on my car "Hmmm looks like you put rims on the car... filled the wheel wells up. Guess you did not have to lower it" *LOL* I said said "sure thing:

 

 

the h-techs drop a little lower than even the trd's, don't they? that's funny. stupid cop. but I've always said, I think the trd's make the car sit like it should have from the factory.

 

They drop the front a tad more. Rear is about the same. Gives it a slightly more agressive look.

 

that's the only complaint I have about the trd's, is that the back looks good but front isn't quite low enough. I got a good price on the trd's though.

 

Wow! Holy tangent. I want to hear more about this car.

 

^^^still on topic. just discussing performance mods that still retain a pretty stock appearance.

 

I would have painted our FMIC black, but decided not to after seeing how beautiful it looks behind the CF lip. On a second note, despite all the CF on the front that we have, I was debating on keeping the IC hidden, to give it that I'm not boosted look.

However, the "sleeper" look becomes null and void if the area that you live in is a confined set of racers, to which you mingle with on a weekly basis. And once you lay the smack down on 1 or 2 cars, then EVERYONE knows you are boosted....LOL.

If you live in a Large city cool. If you live in fairly decent sized city where everyone knows of a car, then it's pointless.