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Old Mar 29, 2006 | 07:03 PM
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I was wondering if anyone would know what the benefits of spraying oxygen instead of nos into a car? Granted you do the right amount (shot) wouldn't you still get the same hp gain from the cooling factor of the pressurized gas. And how much power would be gained from a system like this?

If anyone has any info or would be willing to help with the setup let me know.

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Old Mar 29, 2006 | 07:26 PM
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This is totally off the top of the head, but I believe putting oxygen under pressure takes some seriously cold temperatures. Way more so than N02 i -think-.
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Oxygen goes BOOM!!!
Old Mar 29, 2006 | 09:36 PM
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Oxygen will kill you.... and will most definately kill the engine. N2O by itself if not flammable... you can hold a flame to it and it won't do anything.... Oxygen will end up causing a massive explosion and could kill you very easily... I've never heard of anyone running it.
Old Mar 29, 2006 | 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by TheQuietThings
Oxygen goes BOOM!!!
so does NAWZ, I saw it on FATF.
Old Mar 29, 2006 | 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by dante
Originally Posted by TheQuietThings
Oxygen goes BOOM!!!
so does NAWZ, I saw it on FATF.
Nitrogen is not flammable.
Oxygen is HIGHLY flammable.
Old Mar 29, 2006 | 09:48 PM
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Try the Cry02 system, co2 will cool way better then plain oxygen.

http://www.designengineering.com/pro...asp?m=sc&cid=1
Old Mar 29, 2006 | 09:55 PM
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Why not just use methenol ( sp? I can't spell ). It works much like NOS, a little safer. And a hell of a lot cheaper. Only caused like 20 bucks lol to mix half with water. Its basically allowing the car to run as if on race gas or spraying.
Old Mar 29, 2006 | 10:11 PM
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Meth, won't cause melting of pistons fyi
Old Mar 29, 2006 | 10:24 PM
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We use oxygen on all of our cars... Compressed oxygen from a turbocharger! ;)

I wouldn't really consider Methanol to be a power adder. I'd say it was more of a) octane booster and b) engine cooling
Old Mar 29, 2006 | 11:07 PM
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hey bro, whoever told you to use oxygen sounds like they are trying to assisinate you...be careful man :-p
Old Mar 29, 2006 | 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by nester
I wouldn't really consider Methanol to be a power adder. I'd say it was more of a) octane booster and b) engine cooling
Right, cept as it seems he doesn't have a turbo or supercharger. if not n2o for a power adder and not wanting to use that - would use methanol over oxygen injection
Old Mar 30, 2006 | 12:20 AM
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To be honest, it could work, in theory. However the engineering behind it would be pretty damn involved. For it to work safely though, the oxygen supply and line would have to be completely protected from any source of heat, sparks or flame. And the amount of oxygen being introduced into the intake would be really really small. For instance to produce the effect of 10 lbs of boost from a traditional FI system, you would need to introduce 0.005801582 mol or O2 for every liter of uncompressed atmosphere passing from the intake into the engine. For any of you that have ever taken chemistry in high school or college, you'd know that's a very tiny amount. And to actually devise a system to acurately measure this, well you get the picture.

As for using O2 like NOs, you really shouldn't. If you were to replace a NOs system with an O2 canister for instance, you'd probably be putting well over the amount of oxygen needed to cause a dangerous or deadly explosion. And as I said before, the O2 supply would need to be completely protected from anything that could even potentially ignite the O2 before it entered the cylinder.

Just my $0.02 and please, don't even think of trying this.

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^^^someone has brains...i got confused half way through
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Originally Posted by honey0bucket
^^^someone has brains...i got confused half way through
LOL!


0.005801582 mol or O2 for every liter of uncompressed atmosphere
I KNOW WHAT THAT MEAN!!!! and i thought being a chem major was pointless
Old Mar 30, 2006 | 12:44 AM
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well it sounded smart to me and i dont do science
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lol
Old Mar 31, 2006 | 05:41 PM
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what about compressed air going directly into the intake???
Old Mar 31, 2006 | 08:08 PM
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Good idea...install a SC or turbo and youve done exactly that.
Old Mar 31, 2006 | 08:23 PM
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Okay I work with liquid oxygen everday trasferring from liquid (-194 deg. fer.) to gas. If you wanted to use oxygen in it's cryogenic state (liquid form) you must also factor in that one unit of oxygen equals approx. 840 units of gas. So you would need a very precise device to measure the liquid, also it would require you to find medical cga 540 fittings instead of nitrious cga 326 fittings. Oxygen is not flammable! All it does is lower the combustible temperature of it's surroundings, so if you stick a flame to say steel wool it just smolders, if you put the same steel wool in an oxygen enriched enviornment it will flash and then burn. Lastley the reason N2o is used is because you need to measure the shot of gas with a selenoid it's not very precise, so by having the two molecules of nitrogen seperate from the one of oxygen it's a more controlled and safer explosion.



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